[Freesurfer] ELF class

2013-03-20 Thread Varghese Chikku
Hi Fs Team,
I am getting this  errow  while  trying to use freeview.
reesurfer@freesurfer-VirtualBox:~$ freeview
freeview.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: wrong
ELF class: ELFCLASS32
Any Help
Tx
chikku
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Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

2013-03-20 Thread Bruce Fischl

Hi Valtina

you can try opening it with freeview if all you want is visualization. If 
you are trying to produce anatomical stats you will need a lot more than 
just the pial surface, as mris_anatomical_stats computes many things from 
an array of inputs (such as the wm.mgz, the aseg.mgz, etc). Why not 
just run recon-all and generate them?

Bruce


On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue wrote:


I could  see the  created surface in MAtlab ( 'read_surf,) but I could't open 
the file in Freesurfer with tksurfer 

VP

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From: pval...@hotmail.com
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:34:39 -0400

Hi, 

I've done a segmentation with Brainsuite ( and FreeSurfer) and I would like to 
get measurements with FreeSurfer. SO, I
convert my rile ( readdfs -- write_surf ) from BRainsuite in Matlab to be 
usable with Freesurfer. Then, I tried to get
measurements with the command .'mris_anatomical_stats' .  with the file created 
previously in Matlab (I called it
 'rh.pial'). But I got this error like the system is not able to read wm.mgz.
That's why I thought I could juste replace th 'rh.pial' of the segmentation 
with Freesurfey by the 'rh.pial' created with
Matalb and then run mris_anatomical_Stats. IS this a good approximation. Could 
you recommand another way.


VP

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Re: [Freesurfer] make a volume template from the surface-based template for non-human primates

2013-03-20 Thread Bruce Fischl

yes, I have it
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Longchuan Li wrote:


Hi, Bruce

The command line I used is: 

mris_fill -r 1 -c rh.white rh.white.nii.gz

I attached the rh.white in my previous mail. Could you see it in the attachment?

Thank you!

Longchuan

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From: Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
To: Longchuan Li leonad...@yahoo.com
Cc: FreeSurfer freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] make a volume template from the surface-based 
template for non-human primates

can you send your mris_fill command line? And maybe the lh.white surface
you are trying to fill?
Bruce
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Longchuan Li wrote:

 Hi, Bruce

 This is the lh.white that gives me the empty volume when I use mris_fill to
 sample it to the volume space. Could you help diagnose what is causing it?
 Thank you very much in advance!

 Lognchuan


 
 From: Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 To: Longchuan Li leonad...@yahoo.com
 Cc: FreeSurfer freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] make a volume template from the surface-based
 template for non-human primates

 Hi Longchuan

 I'm not sure what space the volume average is constructed in - Doug would
 know. Probably talairach, in which case it won't match the surfaces well.
 Can you send along your mris_fill command line? It shouldn't produce an
 empty volume. There's no reason to look at the inflated surfaces in the
 volume though - they have no volumetric meaning.

 cheers
 Bruce


 On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Longchuan Li wrote:

  Hi, Bruce
 
  Sorry for the late reply as I was trying to figure it out by myself.
  I mean the average of the subjects in the volume space that were used for
  generating the surface template. Actually I kind of found a volume average
  in the mri folder named as T1.mgz that seems to correspond to the surface
  template for the non-human primates. Perhaps because my ?h.white and
 ?.pial
  surface files do not have the identical origins as that of the volume
  template, when I used the function mri_surf2vol to project the mgh
 surface
  file to the volume average, I always got the outputs telling me there is 0
  hits. I tried to diagnose it by projecting the ?h.white and ?h.pial to the
  volume using mri_fill and I got an empty volume. I then tried to project
  ?h.inflated to the volume space using the mri_fill and this time, I got
 a
  mask in the output volume space. Therefore, i suspect that there is a
  mismatch of the origins between the ?h.white and the volume template in
 the
  mri folder.
 
  Could you please show me what are the best strategies to correctly project
  the mgh file to the volume template in the 'mri' folder?
 
  Many thanks
 
  Longchuan 
 
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  From: Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  To: Longchuan Li leonad...@yahoo.com
  Cc: FreeSurfer freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] make a volume template from the surface-based
  template for non-human primates
 
  Hi Longchuan
 
  what kind of volume template do you mean?
  Bruce
  On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Longchuan Li
  wrote:
 
   Hi, FreeSurfer experts
  
   I have a question regarding making a volume template based on the
 surface
   template for non-human primates. I have made a surface template using a
   group of monkeys and now, we want to see the result, which is a mgh
  surface
   file, on the coronal slices of the template. So I am planning to
 generate
  a
   volume template corresponding to the surface template and then project
 the
   mgh file to the volume for viewing. Could someone tell me what is the
 best
   way to generate such a volume template?
  
   Many thanks in advance!
  
   Longchuan
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

2013-03-20 Thread Valtina Pouegue
Hi Bruces, It's because i'm doing a comparison between brainsuite and 
freesrufer. So , I would like to export results of segmentation with Brainsuite 
and make measurements with FreeSurfer. In Fact, with freesurfer I can have more 
parameters than with freesurfer. Does it exist another way for get measurements 
with surfaces ( not generated by Freesurfer)? Thx . 
VP
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:38:26 -0400
From: fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
To: pval...@hotmail.com
CC: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

Hi Valtina
 
you can try opening it with freeview if all you want is visualization. If 
you are trying to produce anatomical stats you will need a lot more than 
just the pial surface, as mris_anatomical_stats computes many things from 
an array of inputs (such as the wm.mgz, the aseg.mgz, etc). Why not 
just run recon-all and generate them?
Bruce
 
 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue wrote:
 
 I could  see the  created surface in MAtlab ( 'read_surf,) but I could't open 
 the file in Freesurfer with tksurfer 
 
 VP
 
 _
 From: pval...@hotmail.com
 To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Subject: Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer
 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:34:39 -0400
 
 Hi, 
 
 I've done a segmentation with Brainsuite ( and FreeSurfer) and I would like 
 to get measurements with FreeSurfer. SO, I
 convert my rile ( readdfs -- write_surf ) from BRainsuite in Matlab to be 
 usable with Freesurfer. Then, I tried to get
 measurements with the command .'mris_anatomical_stats' .  with the file 
 created previously in Matlab (I called it
  'rh.pial'). But I got this error like the system is not able to read wm.mgz.
 That's why I thought I could juste replace th 'rh.pial' of the segmentation 
 with Freesurfey by the 'rh.pial' created with
 Matalb and then run mris_anatomical_Stats. IS this a good approximation. 
 Could you recommand another way.
 
 
 VP
 


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[Freesurfer] TRACULA missings tracts

2013-03-20 Thread Roschinski, Benjamin
Dear Freesurfer users and experts,

we have some problems using TRACULA. This means that tracks are missing or that 
they are too short.
I hope you can advise me how to fix these problems.

Thanks and kind regards
Benjamin

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[Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Laura M. Tully
Hi,

I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of days ago below, but with
some more specific questions following a search through the archives.

I want to be able to extract the beta values from a cluster identified
using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable interaction so that I can 1)
plot the relationship of thickness to behavioral variable data by group in
that cluster, 2) conduct post hoc tests to examine the interaction, and 3)
calculate the Rsquare and partial correlations for each variable in the glm
(i.e. how much variation in thickness is explained by my behavioral
variable).

To extract the beta values from a cluster identified by mc-z would I treat
the cluster like a label and use mri_segstats to extract the beta weights
from the cluster? Would I need to make a label of all the clusters that I
want to do this for first?

Is there a way to calculate the basic statistics for the glm and extract in
table form? i.e. Fs and ps for peaks of each cluster? What about Rsquare,
or the correlation between thickness and my behavioral variable in the
clusters? or would I need to compute these outside of freesurfer using the
extracted betas?

Thank you!

Laura.






On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Laura M. Tully
tully.la...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I'm hoping you can help me understand how to interpret interactions in
 clusters identified in whole brain analysis using glmfit and glmfit-sim.
 Below I describe what I've done and what I'd like to be able to do. Any
 suggestions would be most appreciated!


- I have two groups (patients, controls) and a behavioral variable of
interest (social functioning). I am interested in cortical thickness
differences between groups (main effect of group), whether cortical
thickness relate to social functioning across the group (main effect of
social functioning), and whether this relationship differs by group (group
x social functioning interaction).
- I ran whole brain analysis using mri_glmfit with group and
functioning as variables of interest whilst controlling for/regressing out
gender, age, and mean thickness. i.e. 4 classes (conmale,confemale, ptmale,
ptfemale) and 3 continuous variables (age, AvgThickness, Functioning) = 16
regressors.
- I tested the group x functioning interaction with the following
contrast - is it correct?

 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.5 0.5 -0.5 -0.5

- I then ran mri_glmfit-sim to identify clusters that survive multiple
comparisons. This revealed 4 clusters (3 in LH; 1 in RH) that represent
regions showing significant group x functioning interaction.
- I visualized the clusters in tksurfer, and by loading the y.fsgd
file was able to visualize the plotted data to get a sense of the
interaction, but this is as much as I know in terms of how to examine
interactions in the cluster data..

 My specifc questions include:

- I understand that the values in xxx.sig.cluster.mgh overlay reflect
log10 p values, the signs of which indicate the direction of the
relationship (i.e. -3 = negative correlation between thickness  variable)
but I'm not sure how to interpret this in the context of an interaction
with group?
- I understand that the values in xxx.y.ocn.dat contain the average
thickness value for each subject in that cluster and that in a simple
between groups test this data could be used to conduct post hoc t-tests to
show the direction of the difference, but again I'm not sure how to use
this data in the context of the interaction. What do the values represent
in a group x variable interaction?

 Ideally, I'd like to extract the contrast estimates for each subject in
 the group x functioning contrast and plot it in another program and
 conduct pairwise comparisons (t-tests) in order to get a better
 understanding of the interaction). I'm not sure how to do this - is it
 possible? My thinking is that I do something similar in fMRI analysis in
 spm where I can plot the contrasts in a significant cluster and then
 extract both the average contrast estimates for each group and the contrast
 estimates for each individual subject.

 Thanks in advance!

 Laura.


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 Social Neuroscience  Psychopathology, Harvard University
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[Freesurfer] Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts

2013-03-20 Thread stdp82
Hi list and Anastasia,
if you remember the last week I had same problems with tracula output: the  
final tract are lacking or incomplete for same subjects. Some of these are less 
wrong (only forceps major), other have more evident error (you can see this in 
picture that I have attacked). 
To resolve this issue I have:
1-checked the correct overlap of dwi and dwi_mask2-rerun data with new version 
5.23-rerun new registration using bbregister (fsl/spm option): for example, in 
the subject of the picture attacked, the .mincost file now contains as first 
value 0.87 (previous it was 1.1)
Please, give me an advise
Thanks

Stefano

Messaggio originaleDa: stdp82@virgilio.itData: 12-mar-2013 17.47A: 
ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduCc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduOgg: 
[Freesurfer] R: Re: R: Re: Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlapI got it from 
mri directory but I'm understanding that this directory isn't ok.I'm attacking 
the image from dlabel/diff/aparc+aseg.bbr.nii


Stefano


Messaggio originale
Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Data: 12-mar-2013 17.19
A: std...@virgilio.it
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] R: Re:  Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap


Can you please answer my question? I can't really tell if the issue is due 
poor dwi-aseg overlap unless you tell me where you got that aseg volume 
from.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Thank you Anastasia. What do you think about the issue in the file attacked
 (I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of same
  tracts or same tracts are incomplete)
 
 
 Stefano
 
 
 Messaggio originale
 Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.02
 A: std...@virgilio.it
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
 
 
 Hi Stefano - Where did you get the aseg.nii.gz from? Anything that's in
 the dlabel/diff/ directory has been mapped to the same space as the DWI,
 so those are the volumes that can be compared directly to dwi.nii.gz.
 
 a.y
 
 On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:
 
  Hi list,
 
  I have two questions, please.
 
  I'm using version 5.1 to complete my analysis.
 
  1- I have attacked two images from aseg.nii.gz and dwi.nii.gz of the same
  subject (figure 1 and 3). You can note the dwi do not overlap to the aseg.
  How can I resolve this issue? 
 
  2-After TRACULA analysis, I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of
 same
  tracts or same tracts are incomplete (figure 3).
 
  Could it depends from the issue in question 1? I'm thinking to rerun all
  using version 5.2 but before starting new analyses, I'd like to ask you
  which is the possible error.
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Douglas N Greve

On 03/20/2013 10:17 AM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
 Hi,

 I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of days ago below, but 
 with some more specific questions following a search through the 
 archives.

 I want to be able to extract the beta values from a cluster identified 
 using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable interaction so that I can 
 1) plot the relationship of thickness to behavioral variable data by 
 group in that cluster, 2) conduct post hoc tests to examine the 
 interaction, and 3) calculate the Rsquare and partial correlations for 
 each variable in the glm (i.e. how much variation in thickness is 
 explained by my behavioral variable).

 To extract the beta values from a cluster identified by mc-z would I 
 treat the cluster like a label and use mri_segstats to extract the 
 beta weights from the cluster? Would I need to make a label of all the 
 clusters that I want to do this for first?
You can do it label by label. Or, if the annotation created by 
mri_glmfit-sim has all the clusters you want, you can use that (also in 
mri_segstats). You can also create an annotation from individual labels 
with mris_label2annot.

 Is there a way to calculate the basic statistics for the glm and 
 extract in table form? i.e. Fs and ps for peaks of each cluster? What 
 about Rsquare, or the correlation between thickness and my behavioral 
 variable in the clusters? or would I need to compute these outside of 
 freesurfer using the extracted betas?
You will need to do it outside of FS. What are Fs and ps?
doug


 Thank you!

 Laura.






 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Laura M. Tully 
 tully.la...@googlemail.com mailto:tully.la...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I'm hoping you can help me understand how to interpret
 interactions in clusters identified in whole brain analysis using
 glmfit and glmfit-sim. Below I describe what I've done and what
 I'd like to be able to do. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!

   * I have two groups (patients, controls) and a behavioral
 variable of interest (social functioning). I am interested in
 cortical thickness differences between groups (main effect of
 group), whether cortical thickness relate to social
 functioning across the group (main effect of social
 functioning), and whether this relationship differs by group
 (group x social functioning interaction).
   * I ran whole brain analysis using mri_glmfit with group and
 functioning as variables of interest whilst controlling
 for/regressing out gender, age, and mean thickness. i.e. 4
 classes (conmale,confemale, ptmale, ptfemale) and 3 continuous
 variables (age, AvgThickness, Functioning) = 16 regressors.
   * I tested the group x functioning interaction with the
 following contrast - is it correct?

 0.50.5-0.5-0.5

   * I then ran mri_glmfit-sim to identify clusters that survive
 multiple comparisons. This revealed 4 clusters (3 in LH; 1 in
 RH) that represent regions showing significant group x
 functioning interaction.
   * I visualized the clusters in tksurfer, and by loading the
 y.fsgd file was able to visualize the plotted data to get a
 sense of the interaction, but this is as much as I know in
 terms of how to examine interactions in the cluster data..

 My specifc questions include:

   * I understand that the values in xxx.sig.cluster.mgh overlay
 reflect log10 p values, the signs of which indicate the
 direction of the relationship (i.e. -3 = negative correlation
 between thickness  variable) but I'm not sure how to
 interpret this in the context of an interaction with group?
   * I understand that the values in xxx.y.ocn.dat contain the
 average thickness value for each subject in that cluster and
 that in a simple between groups test this data could be used
 to conduct post hoc t-tests to show the direction of the
 difference, but again I'm not sure how to use this data in the
 context of the interaction. What do the values represent in a
 group x variable interaction?

 Ideally, I'd like to extract the contrast estimates for each
 subject in the group x functioning contrast and plot it in another
 program and conduct pairwise comparisons (t-tests) in order to get
 a better understanding of the interaction). I'm not sure how to do
 this - is it possible? My thinking is that I do something similar
 in fMRI analysis in spm where I can plot the contrasts in a
 significant cluster and then extract both the average contrast
 estimates for each group and the contrast estimates for each
 individual subject.

 Thanks in advance!

 Laura.


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 --
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Re: [Freesurfer] TRACULA missings tracts

2013-03-20 Thread Anastasia Yendiki

Hi Benjamin - Have you checked that your gradient table is correct by 
looking at the output of the tensor fit?

a.y

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Roschinski, Benjamin wrote:

 Dear Freesurfer users and experts,

 we have some problems using TRACULA. This means that tracks are missing or 
 that they are too short.
 I hope you can advise me how to fix these problems.

 Thanks and kind regards
 Benjamin

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Re: [Freesurfer] Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts

2013-03-20 Thread Anastasia Yendiki


Hi Stefano - Have you checked that your gradient table is correct by 
looking at the output of the tensor fit?


a.y

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:


Hi list and Anastasia,
if you remember the last week I had same problems with tracula output: the  
final tract are lacking or
incomplete for same subjects. Some of these are less wrong (only forceps 
major), other have more evident
error (you can see this in picture that I have attacked). 

To resolve this issue I have:

1-checked the correct overlap of dwi and dwi_mask
2-rerun data with new version 5.2
3-rerun new registration using bbregister (fsl/spm option): for example, in the 
subject of the picture
attacked, the .mincost file now contains as first value 0.87 (previous it was 
1.1)

Please, give me an advise

Thanks


Stefano




Messaggio originale
Da: std...@virgilio.it
Data: 12-mar-2013 17.47
A: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Ogg: [Freesurfer] R: Re: R: Re: Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap

I got it from mri directory but I'm understanding that this directory isn't 
ok.I'm attacking the image
from dlabel/diff/aparc+aseg.bbr.nii


Stefano



Messaggio originale
Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Data: 12-mar-2013 17.19
A: std...@virgilio.it
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] R: Re:  Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap


Can you please answer my question? I can't really tell if the issue is due 
poor dwi-aseg overlap unless you tell me where you got that aseg volume 
from.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Thank you Anastasia. What do you think about the issue in the file attacked
 (I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of same
  tracts or same tracts are incomplete)
 
 
 Stefano
 
 
 Messaggio originale
 Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.02
 A: std...@virgilio.it
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
 
 
 Hi Stefano - Where did you get the aseg.nii.gz from? Anything that's in
 the dlabel/diff/ directory has been mapped to the same space as the DWI,
 so those are the volumes that can be compared directly to dwi.nii.gz.
 
 a.y
 
 On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:
 
  Hi list,
 
  I have two questions, please.
 
  I'm using version 5.1 to complete my analysis.
 
  1- I have attacked two images from aseg.nii.gz and dwi.nii.gz of the same
  subject (figure 1 and 3). You can note the dwi do not overlap to the aseg.
  How can I resolve this issue? 
 
  2-After TRACULA analysis, I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of
 same
  tracts or same tracts are incomplete (figure 3).
 
  Could it depends from the issue in question 1? I'm thinking to rerun all
  using version 5.2 but before starting new analyses, I'd like to ask you
  which is the possible error.
 
 
  Stefano
 
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[Freesurfer] non-parallel version of LME models MATLAB scripts

2013-03-20 Thread Lalonde, Francois (NIH/NIMH) [E]
In running a mass-univariate LME models analysis I keep running into calls to 
the parallel computing toolbox (parfor, matlabpool, etc…).  I was able to 
comment out these lines in some of the scripts but I've run up to one that is 
particularly difficult to modify (I am not an expert in MATLAB).  The script 
called lme_mass_fit_Rgw has proven to be too difficult.  Would it be possible 
to get a version of the of the LME models analysis that runs on the base MATLAB 
program only?  It will admittedly take longer but will make the analysis more 
accessible.

Also, I was unable to find the function for_progress which is called along 
with parfor_progress.

Thanks,
Francois

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Re: [Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Laura M. Tully
Sorry -  meant to respond to list.

Thanks for the response Doug - I have a few follow up questions I hope you
can clarify:


- is the xxx.ocn.annot file created by mri_glmfit-sim considered a
label by freesurfer? or does it need to be converted to a label before I
can use mri_segstats to extract the betas from the cluster(s) in the
xxx.ocn.annot? I tried using the following command line to attempt to
extract the betas from the cluster annotation file created by
mri_glmfit-sim, but received an error:

 mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage hemi contrast/xxx.ocn.annot
 --avgwf avgwf.dat


- how does one convert an xxx.ocn.annot file to a label?


- If I have run 3 different glms looking at the relationship between
thickness and 3 different behavioral variables, and found 1 (or more)
cluster in each glm using mri_glmfit-sim can I create 1 annotation/label
with all the clusters from the separate glms and then extract the betas
from that one annotation using mri_segstats? Or do I need to treat each glm
separately?


- I saw on the listserv some references to matlab functions that
can calculate r square and partial correlations for glms with more than one
predictor variable (e.g pcc between thickness and behavioral variable 1;
pcc between thickness and behavioral variable2; Rsq for overall model) but
I could not find the .m scripts for the functions (MRIread
or fast_glm_pcc?) - would these functions be appropriate and if so where
might I find them?

 Thanks in advance for your help!

 Laura.


 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Douglas N Greve 
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 On 03/20/2013 10:17 AM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of days ago below, but
  with some more specific questions following a search through the
  archives.
 
  I want to be able to extract the beta values from a cluster identified
  using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable interaction so that I can
  1) plot the relationship of thickness to behavioral variable data by
  group in that cluster, 2) conduct post hoc tests to examine the
  interaction, and 3) calculate the Rsquare and partial correlations for
  each variable in the glm (i.e. how much variation in thickness is
  explained by my behavioral variable).
 
  To extract the beta values from a cluster identified by mc-z would I
  treat the cluster like a label and use mri_segstats to extract the
  beta weights from the cluster? Would I need to make a label of all the
  clusters that I want to do this for first?
 You can do it label by label. Or, if the annotation created by
 mri_glmfit-sim has all the clusters you want, you can use that (also in
 mri_segstats). You can also create an annotation from individual labels
 with mris_label2annot.
 
  Is there a way to calculate the basic statistics for the glm and
  extract in table form? i.e. Fs and ps for peaks of each cluster? What
  about Rsquare, or the correlation between thickness and my behavioral
  variable in the clusters? or would I need to compute these outside of
  freesurfer using the extracted betas?
 You will need to do it outside of FS. What are Fs and ps?
 doug

 
  Thank you!
 
  Laura.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Laura M. Tully
  tully.la...@googlemail.com mailto:tully.la...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Freesurfer experts,
 
  I'm hoping you can help me understand how to interpret
  interactions in clusters identified in whole brain analysis using
  glmfit and glmfit-sim. Below I describe what I've done and what
  I'd like to be able to do. Any suggestions would be most
 appreciated!
 
* I have two groups (patients, controls) and a behavioral
  variable of interest (social functioning). I am interested in
  cortical thickness differences between groups (main effect of
  group), whether cortical thickness relate to social
  functioning across the group (main effect of social
  functioning), and whether this relationship differs by group
  (group x social functioning interaction).
* I ran whole brain analysis using mri_glmfit with group and
  functioning as variables of interest whilst controlling
  for/regressing out gender, age, and mean thickness. i.e. 4
  classes (conmale,confemale, ptmale, ptfemale) and 3 continuous
  variables (age, AvgThickness, Functioning) = 16 regressors.
* I tested the group x functioning interaction with the
  following contrast - is it correct?
 
  0.50.5-0.5-0.5
 
* I then ran mri_glmfit-sim to identify clusters that survive
  multiple comparisons. This revealed 4 clusters (3 in LH; 1 in
  RH) that represent regions showing significant group x
  functioning interaction.
* I visualized the clusters in tksurfer, and by loading the
  y.fsgd 

Re: [Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Douglas N Greve

On 03/20/2013 12:09 PM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
 Sorry -  meant to respond to list.

 Thanks for the response Doug - I have a few follow up questions I hope 
 you can clarify:

   * is the xxx.ocn.annot file created by mri_glmfit-sim considered
 a label by freesurfer?

It is an annotation

   * or does it need to be converted to a label before I can use
 mri_segstats to extract the betas from the cluster(s) in the
 xxx.ocn.annot?

No

   * I tried using the following command line to attempt to extract
 the betas from the cluster annotation file created by
 mri_glmfit-sim, but received an error:

 mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage hemi
 contrast/xxx.ocn.annot --avgwf avgwf.dat

That looks correct. Did it work? Add --excludeid 0 to keep it from 
reporting on non-clusters


   * how does one convert an xxx.ocn.annot file to a label?

If needed, use mri_annotation2label

   * If I have run 3 different glms looking at the relationship
 between thickness and 3 different behavioral variables, and
 found 1 (or more) cluster in each glm using mri_glmfit-sim can
 I create 1 annotation/label with all the clusters from the
 separate glms and then extract the betas from that one
 annotation using mri_segstats? Or do I need to treat each glm
 separately?

It is probably easiest if you treat each glm separately. You can break 
the annotations into separate labels, then recombine the labels into 
another annotation (mris_label2annot), but it is a lot of work.

  *


   * I saw on the listserv some references to matlab functions that
 can calculate r square and partial correlations for glms with
 more than one predictor variable (e.g pcc between thickness
 and behavioral variable 1; pcc between thickness and
 behavioral variable2; Rsq for overall model) but I could not
 find the .m scripts for the functions (MRIread
 or fast_glm_pcc?) - would these functions be appropriate and
 if so where might I find them?

Yes. They are in $FREESURFER_HOME/matlab and $FREESURFER_HOME/fsfast/toolbox
doug

  *

 Thanks in advance for your help!

 Laura.


 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Douglas N Greve
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 On 03/20/2013 10:17 AM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of days ago
 below, but
  with some more specific questions following a search through the
  archives.
 
  I want to be able to extract the beta values from a cluster
 identified
  using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable interaction so
 that I can
  1) plot the relationship of thickness to behavioral variable
 data by
  group in that cluster, 2) conduct post hoc tests to examine the
  interaction, and 3) calculate the Rsquare and partial
 correlations for
  each variable in the glm (i.e. how much variation in
 thickness is
  explained by my behavioral variable).
 
  To extract the beta values from a cluster identified by mc-z
 would I
  treat the cluster like a label and use mri_segstats to
 extract the
  beta weights from the cluster? Would I need to make a label
 of all the
  clusters that I want to do this for first?
 You can do it label by label. Or, if the annotation created by
 mri_glmfit-sim has all the clusters you want, you can use that
 (also in
 mri_segstats). You can also create an annotation from
 individual labels
 with mris_label2annot.
 
  Is there a way to calculate the basic statistics for the glm and
  extract in table form? i.e. Fs and ps for peaks of each
 cluster? What
  about Rsquare, or the correlation between thickness and my
 behavioral
  variable in the clusters? or would I need to compute these
 outside of
  freesurfer using the extracted betas?
 You will need to do it outside of FS. What are Fs and ps?
 doug

 
  Thank you!
 
  Laura.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Laura M. Tully
  tully.la...@googlemail.com
 mailto:tully.la...@googlemail.com
 mailto:tully.la...@googlemail.com
 mailto:tully.la...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Freesurfer experts,
 
  I'm hoping you can help me understand how to interpret
  interactions in clusters identified in whole brain
 analysis using
  glmfit and glmfit-sim. Below I describe what I've done
 and what
  I'd like to be 

Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

2013-03-20 Thread Bruce Fischl

it depends on what measures you want
Bruce
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue 
wrote:



Hi Bruces, 
It's because i'm doing a comparison between brainsuite and freesrufer. So , I 
would like to export results of
segmentation with Brainsuite and make measurements with FreeSurfer. In Fact, 
with freesurfer I can have more parameters
than with freesurfer. 
Does it exist another way for get measurements with surfaces ( not generated by 
Freesurfer)? 
Thx . 

VP
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:38:26 -0400
From: fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
To: pval...@hotmail.com
CC: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

Hi Valtina

you can try opening it with freeview if all you want is visualization. If 
you are trying to produce anatomical stats you will need a lot more than 
just the pial surface, as mris_anatomical_stats computes many things from 
an array of inputs (such as the wm.mgz, the aseg.mgz, etc). Why not 
just run recon-all and generate them?

Bruce


On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue wrote:

 I could  see the  created surface in MAtlab ( 'read_surf,) but I could't open 
the file in Freesurfer with tksurfer 
 
 VP
 
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 From: pval...@hotmail.com
 To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Subject: Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer
 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:34:39 -0400
 
 Hi, 
 
 I've done a segmentation with Brainsuite ( and FreeSurfer) and I would like to get measurements with FreeSurfer. SO, I

 convert my rile ( readdfs -- write_surf ) from BRainsuite in Matlab to be 
usable with Freesurfer. Then, I tried to get
 measurements with the command .'mris_anatomical_stats' .  with the file 
created previously in Matlab (I called it
  'rh.pial'). But I got this error like the system is not able to read wm.mgz.
 That's why I thought I could juste replace th 'rh.pial' of the segmentation 
with Freesurfey by the 'rh.pial' created wi
th
 Matalb and then run mris_anatomical_Stats. IS this a good approximation. 
Could you recommand another way.
 
 
 VP
 



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Re: [Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Laura M. Tully
the mri_segstats command did not work - below is the command and output. It
looks like it is searching for the .annot file in fsaverage directory. How
do I tell it to use fsaverage and to look for the .annot elsewhere?

cd glmdir

mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage lh
./SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot --avgwf
lh.SZ_CPT_area_betas.dat --excludeid 0


$Id: mri_segstats.c,v 1.75.2.2 2011/04/27 22:18:58 nicks Exp $

cwd

cmdline mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage lh
./SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot --avgwf
lh.SZ_CPT_area_betas.dat --excludeid 0

sysname  Linux

hostname ncfws12.rc.fas.harvard.edu

machine  x86_64

user ltully

Constructing seg from annotation

could not read annot file
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/fsaverage/label/lh../SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot.annot

No such file or directory


Thanks!

LT

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Douglas N Greve
gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:


 On 03/20/2013 12:09 PM, Laura M. Tully wrote:

 Sorry -  meant to respond to list.

 Thanks for the response Doug - I have a few follow up questions I hope
 you can clarify:

   * is the xxx.ocn.annot file created by mri_glmfit-sim considered
 a label by freesurfer?

  It is an annotation


   * or does it need to be converted to a label before I can use
 mri_segstats to extract the betas from the cluster(s) in the
 xxx.ocn.annot?

  No



   * I tried using the following command line to attempt to extract
 the betas from the cluster annotation file created by
 mri_glmfit-sim, but received an error:

 mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage hemi
 contrast/xxx.ocn.annot --avgwf avgwf.dat

  That looks correct. Did it work? Add --excludeid 0 to keep it from
 reporting on non-clusters



   * how does one convert an xxx.ocn.annot file to a label?

  If needed, use mri_annotation2label


   * If I have run 3 different glms looking at the relationship

 between thickness and 3 different behavioral variables, and
 found 1 (or more) cluster in each glm using mri_glmfit-sim can
 I create 1 annotation/label with all the clusters from the
 separate glms and then extract the betas from that one
 annotation using mri_segstats? Or do I need to treat each glm
 separately?

  It is probably easiest if you treat each glm separately. You can break
 the annotations into separate labels, then recombine the labels into
 another annotation (mris_label2annot), but it is a lot of work.


  *


   * I saw on the listserv some references to matlab functions that

 can calculate r square and partial correlations for glms with
 more than one predictor variable (e.g pcc between thickness
 and behavioral variable 1; pcc between thickness and
 behavioral variable2; Rsq for overall model) but I could not
 find the .m scripts for the functions (MRIread
 or fast_glm_pcc?) - would these functions be appropriate and
 if so where might I find them?

  Yes. They are in $FREESURFER_HOME/matlab and $FREESURFER_HOME/fsfast/**
 toolbox
 doug


  *


 Thanks in advance for your help!

 Laura.


 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Douglas N Greve
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.**edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:


 On 03/20/2013 10:17 AM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of days ago
 below, but
  with some more specific questions following a search through the
  archives.
 
  I want to be able to extract the beta values from a cluster
 identified
  using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable interaction so
 that I can
  1) plot the relationship of thickness to behavioral variable
 data by
  group in that cluster, 2) conduct post hoc tests to examine the
  interaction, and 3) calculate the Rsquare and partial
 correlations for
  each variable in the glm (i.e. how much variation in
 thickness is
  explained by my behavioral variable).
 
  To extract the beta values from a cluster identified by mc-z
 would I
  treat the cluster like a label and use mri_segstats to
 extract the
  beta weights from the cluster? Would I need to make a label
 of all the
  clusters that I want to do this for first?
 You can do it label by label. Or, if the annotation created by
 mri_glmfit-sim has all the clusters you want, you can use that
 (also in
 mri_segstats). You can also create an annotation from
 individual labels
 with mris_label2annot.
 
  Is there a way to calculate the basic statistics for the 

[Freesurfer] (no subject)

2013-03-20 Thread martina.andellini
Hi FreeSurfer experts,
I would need to use the registration tools in freesurfer because the fsl ones ga
ve me some problem.
Just to try I have run mri_ca_registration and mri_cvs_registration and so I hav
e three questions:


1) mri_ca_registration generates a talairach tansform file in .m3z format and I 
would need to apply it to my high res image. Any hint?
2) Converting RB_all_2008-03-26.gca to nii and opening it to mricron it seems to
 superimposable to the mni atlas. does it mean that what it comes out from mri_c
a_registration coincides to an mni atlas image?
3) Running mri_cvs_registration (on bert data...just to try) I do not know where
 to find the registered volume file (I have tried few volume .mgz but with no su
ccess...). Should i look for a transform file too?



Thanks so much!
Martina

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Re: [Freesurfer] Asymmetries of cortical thickness

2013-03-20 Thread Douglas N Greve
Hi Sophie, you can run the following command:

cd $SUBJECTS_DIR/yoursubject
  mris_apply_reg --src xhemi/surf/lh.thickness --streg 
xhemi/surf/lh.fsaverage_sym.sphere.reg surf/lh.fsaverage_sym.sphere.reg 
--tval surf/lh.rh.thickness.mgh

lh.rh.thickness.mgh will now have the rh thicknesses on the rh surface

mris_apply_reg is only available in 5.2. If you don't have 5.2, I can 
get you a version of this program if you tell me your OS. Also note that 
you need to go through the xhemi-reg procedure first.

doug


On 03/18/2013 10:40 AM, Sophie Maingault wrote:
 Yes if it is possible I would like to know how to do it ?

 Thanks !

 Sophie

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Douglas N Greve [mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
 Envoyé : lundi 18 mars 2013 14:39
 À : Sophie Maingault; Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Objet : Re: [Freesurfer] Asymmetries of cortical thickness

 It is possible, it is just not a good idea because if you map rh to lh
 and then compare to lh, the rh will have been interpolated to get it
 into the lh. Even if there are no differences between the two, you will
 see differences because of the interpolation. Mapping  both to
 fsaverage_sym means that both will be interpolated. If this
 interpolation does not bother you, then I can show you how to get it
 from rh to lh.
 doug




 On 03/18/2013 09:24 AM, Sophie Maingault wrote:
 So i didn't understand what you mean by just specify one subject when
 your
 mris_preproc ? Because, in fact I don't want to use the registration on
 fsaverage_sym. I would like just to create a file lh.thickness less
 rh.thickness vertex per vertex, maybe it is not possible ?

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Douglas N Greve [mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
 Envoyé : lundi 18 mars 2013 14:15
 À : Sophie Maingault; Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Objet : Re: [Freesurfer] Asymmetries of cortical thickness

 No, it is not, the target needs to be fsaverage_sym
 doug


 On 03/18/2013 09:13 AM, Sophie Maingault wrote:
 So I do : mris_preproc --target fsaverage --xhemi --hemi lh --paired-diff
 --meas thickness --out lh.lh-rh.thickness.sm00.mgh --s t0001 --s t0003
 --s
 t0009 --s t0027 --s t0031 --s t0033 --s t0126 --s t0148 --s t0171 --s
 t0174
 --s t0199 --s t0203 --s t0212 --s t0215 --s t0242 --s t0245 --s t0253 --s
 t0254 --s t0256 --s t0268

 You think it's ok ?

 Sophie

 -Message d'origine-
 De : freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 [mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] De la part de Douglas N
 Greve
 Envoyé : lundi 18 mars 2013 13:49
 À : freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Objet : Re: [Freesurfer] Asymmetries of cortical thickness

 you will have to use the same stream, just specify one subject when your
 mris_preproc
 doug


 On 03/18/2013 08:06 AM, Sophie Maingault wrote:
 Hello,

 Iobtained a map of cortical thickness asymmetries after the
 registration on the symmetric atlas. But I would to obtain the same
 map with raw data I mean just by subtract lh.thickness and
 rh.thickness. How can I modify the part #Create a stack of subjects in
 wiki page ? I have to register to fsaverage (and not fsaverage_sym)
 and then do the same thing ?

 Thanks you for your help.

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[Freesurfer] freeview warning: invalid drawable

2013-03-20 Thread Glen Lee
Dear freesurfer experts,
I'm wondering why I get this warning message when I open up any surf
template in either fsaverage or fsaverage_sym directory.
FYI, I'm using freeview v1.0
if anybody know, please help.
-Glen

$ freeview -f lh.inflated
2013-03-20 16:03:05.801 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.805 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.823 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.825 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.844 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.846 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.863 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.865 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
QObject::connect: Connecting from QAbstractButton::toggled(bool) to COMPAT
slot (QGroupBox::setShown(bool))
QObject::connect: Connecting from QAbstractButton::toggled(bool) to COMPAT
slot (QGroupBox::setShown(bool))
2013-03-20 16:03:06.211 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:06.212 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:06.213 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.634 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.638 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.649 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
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Re: [Freesurfer] freeview warning: invalid drawable

2013-03-20 Thread Ruopeng Wang
On a Mac? You can just ignore those warning messages. Unfortunately we 
were unable to remove them.


Ruopeng

On 03/20/2013 04:07 PM, Glen Lee wrote:

Dear freesurfer experts,
I'm wondering why I get this warning message when I open up any surf 
template in either fsaverage or fsaverage_sym directory.

FYI, I'm using freeview v1.0
if anybody know, please help.
-Glen

$ freeview -f lh.inflated
2013-03-20 16:03:05.801 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.805 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.823 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.825 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.844 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.846 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.863 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:05.865 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
QObject::connect: Connecting from QAbstractButton::toggled(bool) to 
COMPAT slot (QGroupBox::setShown(bool))
QObject::connect: Connecting from QAbstractButton::toggled(bool) to 
COMPAT slot (QGroupBox::setShown(bool))

2013-03-20 16:03:06.211 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:06.212 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:06.213 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.634 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.638 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable
2013-03-20 16:03:11.649 freeview.bin[52449:907] invalid drawable



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Re: [Freesurfer] Reposting: interpreting clusters from 2 and 3 way interactions

2013-03-20 Thread Douglas N Greve
Try using this version of mri_segstats
ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/mri_segstats
doug

On 03/20/2013 01:10 PM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
 the mri_segstats command did not work - below is the command and 
 output. It looks like it is searching for the .annot file in fsaverage 
 directory. How do I tell it to use fsaverage and to look for the 
 .annot elsewhere?

 cd glmdir

 mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage lh
 ./SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot 
 --avgwf
 lh.SZ_CPT_area_betas.dat --excludeid 0


 $Id: mri_segstats.c,v 1.75.2.2 2011/04/27 22:18:58 nicks Exp $

 cwd

 cmdline mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage lh
 ./SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot 
 --avgwf
 lh.SZ_CPT_area_betas.dat --excludeid 0

 sysname  Linux

 hostname ncfws12.rc.fas.harvard.edu
 http://ncfws12.rc.fas.harvard.edu

 machine  x86_64

 user ltully

 Constructing seg from annotation

 could not read annot file
 
 /ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/fsaverage/label/lh../SZcontrast_oneGrp_oneBehVar_4CVs/cache.th13.abs.sig.ocn.annot.annot

 No such file or directory


 Thanks!

 LT

 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Douglas N Greve 
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 On 03/20/2013 12:09 PM, Laura M. Tully wrote:

 Sorry -  meant to respond to list.

 Thanks for the response Doug - I have a few follow up
 questions I hope you can clarify:

   * is the xxx.ocn.annot file created by mri_glmfit-sim
 considered
 a label by freesurfer?

 It is an annotation


   * or does it need to be converted to a label before I
 can use
 mri_segstats to extract the betas from the cluster(s)
 in the
 xxx.ocn.annot?

 No



   * I tried using the following command line to attempt to
 extract
 the betas from the cluster annotation file created by
 mri_glmfit-sim, but received an error:

 mri_segstats --i beta.mgh --annot fsaverage hemi
 contrast/xxx.ocn.annot --avgwf avgwf.dat

 That looks correct. Did it work? Add --excludeid 0 to keep it from
 reporting on non-clusters



   * how does one convert an xxx.ocn.annot file to a label?

 If needed, use mri_annotation2label


   * If I have run 3 different glms looking at the
 relationship

 between thickness and 3 different behavioral
 variables, and
 found 1 (or more) cluster in each glm using
 mri_glmfit-sim can
 I create 1 annotation/label with all the clusters from the
 separate glms and then extract the betas from that one
 annotation using mri_segstats? Or do I need to treat
 each glm
 separately?

 It is probably easiest if you treat each glm separately. You can
 break the annotations into separate labels, then recombine the
 labels into another annotation (mris_label2annot), but it is a lot
 of work.


  *


   * I saw on the listserv some references to matlab
 functions that

 can calculate r square and partial correlations for
 glms with
 more than one predictor variable (e.g pcc between
 thickness
 and behavioral variable 1; pcc between thickness and
 behavioral variable2; Rsq for overall model) but I
 could not
 find the .m scripts for the functions (MRIread
 or fast_glm_pcc?) - would these functions be
 appropriate and
 if so where might I find them?

 Yes. They are in $FREESURFER_HOME/matlab and
 $FREESURFER_HOME/fsfast/toolbox
 doug


  *


 Thanks in advance for your help!

 Laura.


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 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 On 03/20/2013 10:17 AM, Laura M. Tully wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I wanted to re-post my questions from a couple of
 days ago
 below, but
  with some more specific questions following a search
 through the
  archives.
 
  I want to be able to extract the beta values from a
 cluster
 identified
  using mc-z in a group by behavioral variable
 interaction so
 that I can
  1) 

[Freesurfer] mri_info crashing (bits stored vs bits allocated?)

2013-03-20 Thread Ostuni, John (NIH/NINDS) [E]
We have a data set that mri_info cannot work with.

We've tried multiple architectures and freesurfer versions, but mri_info either 
crashes with segmentation fault or generates errors such as
*** glibc detected *** mri_info: free(): invalid pointer: 0x006b ***

One feature of the data set is that the bits stored(12) is different than the 
bits allocated(16).
Could this be the problem?

I have an anonymized version of the data set I can upload if that helps.

Thanks for any assistance,
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_info crashing (bits stored vs bits allocated?)

2013-03-20 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi John

if you email it to me I'll take a look
Bruce
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Ostuni, John 
(NIH/NINDS) [E] wrote:

 We have a data set that mri_info cannot work with.

 We've tried multiple architectures and freesurfer versions, but mri_info 
 either crashes with segmentation fault or generates errors such as
 *** glibc detected *** mri_info: free(): invalid pointer: 0x006b 
 ***

 One feature of the data set is that the bits stored(12) is different than the 
 bits allocated(16).
 Could this be the problem?

 I have an anonymized version of the data set I can upload if that helps.

 Thanks for any assistance,
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Re: [Freesurfer] libjpeg.so.62

2013-03-20 Thread Ashley Shurick
Hi all,

My RA's are having similar issues running Freeview on Ubuntu (I've read
others are having the same issue). They get the following error when trying
to call freeview:

freeview.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

We ran apt-get install libjpeg62 to install missing libraries, and when
that didn't fix the issue we tried Nick's fix below just in case it might
work. Unfortunately we are still getting the error. Any ideas about what's
going on?

Thank you in advance for your assistance!


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Nick Schmansky
ni...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Chikku,

 I am guessing that you are using Ubuntu.  To fix this problem:

 cd /usr/lib
 sudo ln -s libjpeg.so.8 libjpeg.so.62


 in other words, link whatever libjpeg is already installed to the name
 libjpeg.so.62.

 Nick



  Hi
  I am getting an  error  while  using qdec. It  says  error while
  loading shared libraries ,libjpeg.so.62  cannot open shared object
  file No such file or directory
  I ran reconall  with out any problem.
  Any idea,
  tx
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[Freesurfer] y values from glmfit-sim

2013-03-20 Thread Laura M. Tully
Hello experts,

could someone clarify for me what the y values in the xxx.ocn.y.dat files
represent following glmfit-sim? are they the residualized y values of avg
cortical thickness in that specific cluster after regressing out the effect
of any predictor variables in the glm?

Thanks!

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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_info crashing (bits stored vs bits allocated?)

2013-03-20 Thread Knut J Bjuland
HI

I have similar problem and filled a bug report at.


Product: Fedorahttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905638  Patsy
Franklinpfran...@redhat.com  changed: What |Removed |Added

Flags|needinfo?(pfrankli@redhat.c  | |om) |
Flags|needinfo?(pfrankli@redhat.c  | |om) | --- Comment #27 from Patsy
Franklinpfran...@redhat.com  --- The most immediate solution is for
the application to be changed to use a compliant crypt salt value. After
further investigation, we found that the application is passing
unsupported, nonstandard salt to crypt(). This will result in crypt()
returning NULL and setting errno to EINVAL. It does not appear that the
application is checking for a NULL return value from crypt. It also
appears that the application is using this NULL return value in a
subsequent function call resulting in a segmentation fault. Previously
glibc would accept unsupported salt values, but newer versions of the
library have become stricter. We are currently reviewing the
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On 03/20/2013 09:59 PM, Bruce Fischl wrote:
 Hi John

 if you email it to me I'll take a look
 Bruce
 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Ostuni, John
 (NIH/NINDS) [E] wrote:

 We have a data set that mri_info cannot work with.

 We've tried multiple architectures and freesurfer versions, but mri_info 
 either crashes with segmentation fault or generates errors such as
 *** glibc detected *** mri_info: free(): invalid pointer: 0x006b 
 ***

 One feature of the data set is that the bits stored(12) is different than 
 the bits allocated(16).
 Could this be the problem?

 I have an anonymized version of the data set I can upload if that helps.

 Thanks for any assistance,
John



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[Freesurfer] R: Re: Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts

2013-03-20 Thread stdp82
Thank you Anastasia. I'm checking gradient table but I would like underline 
that I'm noting some holes in dti_FA.nii.gz  and not in dwi.nii.gz (I have 
attacked the relative images).

Stefano



Messaggio originale
Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Data: 20-mar-2013 16.40
A: std...@virgilio.it
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts


Hi Stefano - Have you checked that your gradient table is correct by 
looking at the output of the tensor fit?

a.y

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Hi list and Anastasia,
 if you remember the last week I had same problems with tracula output: the  
 final tract are lacking or
 incomplete for same subjects. Some of these are less wrong (only forceps 
 major), other have more evident
 error (you can see this in picture that I have attacked). 
 
 To resolve this issue I have:
 
 1-checked the correct overlap of dwi and dwi_mask
 2-rerun data with new version 5.2
 3-rerun new registration using bbregister (fsl/spm option): for example, in 
 the subject of the picture
 attacked, the .mincost file now contains as first value 0.87 (previous it was 
 1.1)
 
 Please, give me an advise
 
 Thanks
 
 
 Stefano
 
 
 
 
 Messaggio originale
 Da: std...@virgilio.it
 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.47
 A: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: [Freesurfer] R: Re: R: Re: Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
 
 I got it from mri directory but I'm understanding that this directory isn't 
 ok.I'm attacking the image
 from dlabel/diff/aparc+aseg.bbr.nii
 
 
 Stefano
 
 
 
 Messaggio originale
 Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.19
 A: std...@virgilio.it
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] R: Re:  Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
 
 
 Can you please answer my question? I can't really tell if the issue is due 
 poor dwi-aseg overlap unless you tell me where you got that aseg volume 
 from.
 
 On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:
 
  Thank you Anastasia. What do you think about the issue in the file attacked
  (I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of same
   tracts or same tracts are incomplete)
  
  
  Stefano
  
  
  Messaggio originale
  Da: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  Data: 12-mar-2013 17.02
  A: std...@virgilio.it
  Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
  
  
  Hi Stefano - Where did you get the aseg.nii.gz from? Anything that's in
  the dlabel/diff/ directory has been mapped to the same space as the DWI,
  so those are the volumes that can be compared directly to dwi.nii.gz.
  
  a.y
  
  On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:
  
   Hi list,
  
   I have two questions, please.
  
   I'm using version 5.1 to complete my analysis.
  
   1- I have attacked two images from aseg.nii.gz and dwi.nii.gz of the same
   subject (figure 1 and 3). You can note the dwi do not overlap to the aseg.
   How can I resolve this issue? 
  
   2-After TRACULA analysis, I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of
  same
   tracts or same tracts are incomplete (figure 3).
  
   Could it depends from the issue in question 1? I'm thinking to rerun all
   using version 5.2 but before starting new analyses, I'd like to ask you
   which is the possible error.
  
  
   Stefano
  
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Re: [Freesurfer] R: R: Re: Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts

2013-03-20 Thread Anastasia Yendiki


There are chunks of the brain missing from the brain mask. This may cause 
some tracts to be incomplete or missing.


But you should still check that the gradient directions are correct, so 
you know if you have multiple problems or just one. The FA map can't tell 
you if the gradient table was correct, you have to check the eigenvectors 
in dtifit_V1 for that.



On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:


File attacked

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Data: 20-mar-2013 22.34
A: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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Ogg: [Freesurfer] R: Re: Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts

Thank you Anastasia. I'm checking gradient table but I would like underline 
that I'm noting some holes in
dti_FA.nii.gz  and not in dwi.nii.gz (I have attacked the relative images).

Stefano

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Data: 20-mar-2013 16.40
A: std...@virgilio.it
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Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Problem with tracula: incomplete or lacking tracts


Hi Stefano - Have you checked that your gradient table is correct by
looking at the output of the tensor fit?

a.y

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Hi list and Anastasia,
 if you remember the last week I had same problems with tracula output: the  
final tract are lacking or
 incomplete for same subjects. Some of these are less wrong (only forceps 
major), other have more evident
 error (you can see this in picture that I have attacked). 

 To resolve this issue I have:

 1-checked the correct overlap of dwi and dwi_mask
 2-rerun data with new version 5.2
 3-rerun new registration using bbregister (fsl/spm option): for example, in 
the subject of the picture
 attacked, the .mincost file now contains as first value 0.87 (previous it was 
1.1)

 Please, give me an advise

 Thanks


 Stefano




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 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.47
 A: ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: [Freesurfer] R: Re: R: Re: Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap

 I got it from mri directory but I'm understanding that this directory isn't 
ok.I'm attacking the image
 from dlabel/diff/aparc+aseg.bbr.nii


 Stefano



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 Data: 12-mar-2013 17.19
 A: std...@virgilio.it
 Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] R: Re:  Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap


 Can you please answer my question? I can't really tell if the issue is due 
 poor dwi-aseg overlap unless you tell me where you got that aseg volume 
 from.

 On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:

  Thank you Anastasia. What do you think about the issue in the file attacked
  (I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of same
   tracts or same tracts are incomplete)
  
  
  Stefano
  
  
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  Data: 12-mar-2013 17.02
  A: std...@virgilio.it
  Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  Ogg: Re: [Freesurfer] Question on tracula and dwi-T1 overlap
  
  
  Hi Stefano - Where did you get the aseg.nii.gz from? Anything that's in
  the dlabel/diff/ directory has been mapped to the same space as the DWI,
  so those are the volumes that can be compared directly to dwi.nii.gz.
  
  a.y
  
  On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, std...@virgilio.it wrote:
  
   Hi list,
  
   I have two questions, please.
  
   I'm using version 5.1 to complete my analysis.
  
   1- I have attacked two images from aseg.nii.gz and dwi.nii.gz of the same
   subject (figure 1 and 3). You can note the dwi do not overlap to the aseg.
   How can I resolve this issue? 
  
   2-After TRACULA analysis, I'm noting that same subjects are lacking of
  same
   tracts or same tracts are incomplete (figure 3).
  
   Could it depends from the issue in question 1? I'm thinking to rerun all
   using version 5.2 but before starting new analyses, I'd like to ask you
   which is the possible error.
  
  
   Stefano
  
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Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

2013-03-20 Thread Valtina Pouegue
Hi bruce, 
I want cortical thickness, total surface area, instrinsec curvature index and 
folfing index. 
VP

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:09:54 -0400
From: fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
To: pval...@hotmail.com
CC: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer

it depends on what measures you want
Bruce
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue 
wrote:
 
 Hi Bruces, 
 It's because i'm doing a comparison between brainsuite and freesrufer. So , I 
 would like to export results of
 segmentation with Brainsuite and make measurements with FreeSurfer. In Fact, 
 with freesurfer I can have more parameters
 than with freesurfer. 
 Does it exist another way for get measurements with surfaces ( not generated 
 by Freesurfer)? 
 Thx . 
 
 VP
 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:38:26 -0400
 From: fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 To: pval...@hotmail.com
 CC: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer
 
 Hi Valtina
 
 you can try opening it with freeview if all you want is visualization. If 
 you are trying to produce anatomical stats you will need a lot more than 
 just the pial surface, as mris_anatomical_stats computes many things from 
 an array of inputs (such as the wm.mgz, the aseg.mgz, etc). Why not 
 just run recon-all and generate them?
 Bruce

 
 On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Valtina Pouegue wrote:
 
  I could  see the  created surface in MAtlab ( 'read_surf,) but I could't 
  open the file in Freesurfer with tksurfer 
  
  VP
  
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  To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  Subject: Brainsuite -- FreeSurfer
  Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:34:39 -0400
  
  Hi, 
  
  I've done a segmentation with Brainsuite ( and FreeSurfer) and I would like 
  to get measurements with FreeSurfer. SO, I
  convert my rile ( readdfs -- write_surf ) from BRainsuite in Matlab to be 
  usable with Freesurfer. Then, I tried to get
  measurements with the command .'mris_anatomical_stats' .  with the file 
  created previously in Matlab (I called it
   'rh.pial'). But I got this error like the system is not able to read 
  wm.mgz.
  That's why I thought I could juste replace th 'rh.pial' of the segmentation 
  with Freesurfey by the 'rh.pial' created wi
 th
  Matalb and then run mris_anatomical_Stats. IS this a good approximation. 
  Could you recommand another way.
  
  
  VP
  
 
 
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[Freesurfer] installation problem

2013-03-20 Thread Xue Zhang
dear freesurfer experts,
 I tried to install freesurfer in a remote linux cluster, when I completed the 
installation, and began to run the freesurfer gui use my own windows PC, the 
command line showed erro belowing information :


[wanglhlab@node01 freesurfer]$ tkmedit bert orig.mgz
GLUT: Fatal Error in tkmedit.bin: OpenGL GLX extension not supported by 
display: localhost:11.0


could anyone tell me the reason why my installation failed?  The video card on 
cluster is Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200eW WPCM450 (rev 0a), my own PC video 
card is AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series.




regards


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