Re: [Freesurfer] funcroi calculating percent signal change
Hi Doug, Thanks, this seems to work! Quick question -- in the past we've done ROI analyses where we've functionally constrained our labels. When calculating percent signal change we would take the output from funcroi-table-sess divide it by the output of funcroi-table-sess with no -c flag (the baseline offset value) and multiply by 100. Is this also a correct method for calculating percent signal change? I've tried it for the current ROI I'm using and compared my calculated value to the value I got by adding -m cespct and the numbers I'm getting are not the same (ex. 0.0159 vs 0.01444 for one subject). Is -m cespct more accurate? Thanks! Best, Alex Hi Alex, if you use -m cespct it will report the mean percent signal change within the ROI. Does this work? doug On 10/31/2013 02:37 PM, Alexandra Tanner wrote: Hi Doug and Freesurfers, I would like to calculate percent signal change within an anatomical ROI for a group of subjects in Freesurfer 5.0. We are not functionally constraining our ROI, however, we do want to calculate the percent signal change across the entire region in each of our conditions (the contrasts we are using are condition-vs-fixation). Below are examples of the commands I've run for one of our conditions: funcroi-config -analysis SIRP_Stable5 -label lh.7Network_6.PFC.label -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg funcroi-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED funcroi-table-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED -o /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/18ActiveFolate_12Placebo_PreAndPost_7Tpost/lh_7Networks_6_PFC_1vFix -c Cond1vFix Is it necessary to now generate the mean functional baseline offset value within the ROI in order to calculate percent signal change if our contrast is comparing condition-vs-fixation? Any clarification on when the offset value is needed would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Alex -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. MGH-NMR Center gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Phone Number: 617-724-2358 Fax: 617-726-7422 Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html Outgoing: ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ ___ Freesurfer mailing list Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail.
Re: [Freesurfer] funcroi calculating percent signal change
Great, thanks for the clarification Doug! Best, Alex It depends on how are you defining percent contrast. What you are are slightly different methods. Using -m cespct is equivalent to computing 100*Sum(contrast_i/baseline_i)/N where i is a voxel in the ROI Your method is equivalent to computing 100*Sum(contrast_i)/Sum(baseline_i) So they will be close but not exact. Which one is better? Hard to say. I would tend toward -m cespect doug On 11/01/2013 01:43 PM, Alexandra Tanner wrote: Hi Doug, Thanks, this seems to work! Quick question -- in the past we've done ROI analyses where we've functionally constrained our labels. When calculating percent signal change we would take the output from funcroi-table-sess divide it by the output of funcroi-table-sess with no -c flag (the baseline offset value) and multiply by 100. Is this also a correct method for calculating percent signal change? I've tried it for the current ROI I'm using and compared my calculated value to the value I got by adding -m cespct and the numbers I'm getting are not the same (ex. 0.0159 vs 0.01444 for one subject). Is -m cespct more accurate? Thanks! Best, Alex Hi Alex, if you use -m cespct it will report the mean percent signal change within the ROI. Does this work? doug On 10/31/2013 02:37 PM, Alexandra Tanner wrote: Hi Doug and Freesurfers, I would like to calculate percent signal change within an anatomical ROI for a group of subjects in Freesurfer 5.0. We are not functionally constraining our ROI, however, we do want to calculate the percent signal change across the entire region in each of our conditions (the contrasts we are using are condition-vs-fixation). Below are examples of the commands I've run for one of our conditions: funcroi-config -analysis SIRP_Stable5 -label lh.7Network_6.PFC.label -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg funcroi-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED funcroi-table-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED -o /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/18ActiveFolate_12Placebo_PreAndPost_7Tpost/lh_7Networks_6_PFC_1vFix -c Cond1vFix Is it necessary to now generate the mean functional baseline offset value within the ROI in order to calculate percent signal change if our contrast is comparing condition-vs-fixation? Any clarification on when the offset value is needed would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Alex -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. MGH-NMR Center gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Phone Number: 617-724-2358 Fax: 617-726-7422 Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html Outgoing: ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ -- Douglas N. Greve, Ph.D. MGH-NMR Center gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Phone Number: 617-724-2358 Fax: 617-726-7422 Bugs: surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/BugReporting FileDrop: https://gate.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/filedrop2 www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/facility/filedrop/index.html Outgoing: ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/ ___ Freesurfer mailing list Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail.
[Freesurfer] funcroi calculating percent signal change
Hi Doug and Freesurfers, I would like to calculate percent signal change within an anatomical ROI for a group of subjects in Freesurfer 5.0. We are not functionally constraining our ROI, however, we do want to calculate the percent signal change across the entire region in each of our conditions (the contrasts we are using are condition-vs-fixation). Below are examples of the commands I've run for one of our conditions: funcroi-config -analysis SIRP_Stable5 -label lh.7Network_6.PFC.label -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg funcroi-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED funcroi-table-sess -roi /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/SIRP_lh_7Networks_6_PFC.roicfg -sf /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/Subject_Files/30_ActiveFolateAndPlacebo_PostPrePAIRED -o /cluster/roffman/users/Stable5_PerRun/ROI_Analysis/FB12/Anatomical_roicfg_103113/18ActiveFolate_12Placebo_PreAndPost_7Tpost/lh_7Networks_6_PFC_1vFix -c Cond1vFix Is it necessary to now generate the mean functional baseline offset value within the ROI in order to calculate percent signal change if our contrast is comparing condition-vs-fixation? Any clarification on when the offset value is needed would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Alex ___ Freesurfer mailing list Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail.
