Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Thank you, I appriciate that you get some benifits from our efforts. We only recommend irc because it's an easy-to-access multi user chat where we can put all of the people who need help in the same room in real time so they can help each other and we can help them. I tried not to get annoyed about the 2 cracks in previous posts from others about how old and outdated irc was. Everyone is entitled to their own cup of tea after all. But we don't have to retire protocols just because they are old? We still use SMTP and HTTP and FTP and don't mock them for their age. Conversely, I feel kinda the same way about the web 2.0 farce where the same tired browser and js nightmares I faced in 1997 are now swept under the rug with a singe addition of a background http-get instead of actually re-inventing the wheel if you are going to bother calling it wheel 2.0 Yes you can do some cool new stuff, but not nearly as much as what you could have done in 10 years of effort towards a better way, too late now ;) But that's only my opinion i don't try to enstill it to anyone. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com wrote: Same thing happened to me in regards IRC, I had not used it for years before getting into FS, but as a total newbie I can say that IRC is really good to get things going quickly and all those No rocket science questions we have. I have had people helping realtime looking at pastebin's and stuff, which is a really good thing. When one needs to elaborate on a question maybe mailing list/forum fits better, but what I know in my experience is that eventually you will get the answer thanks to the efforts of the community with the current set of tools. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_miness...@hotmail.com msn%3aanthony_miness...@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.miness...@gmail.compaypal%3aanthony.miness...@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:8...@conference.freeswitch.org sip%3a...@conference.freeswitch.org iax:gu...@conference.freeswitch.org/888 googletalk:conf+...@conference.freeswitch.orggoogletalk%3aconf%2b...@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:213-799-1400 ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Ben;
Can you imagine me injecting a question about a SIP profile into
that conversation??
Don't be bashful, just jump right in:
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably
because I really need some help with some problem I've run into
after hours. Can you imagine me injecting a question about a SIP
profile into that conversation??
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
[23:12] Bashful_Ben Excuse me, I hate to interrupt, but I have a
FreeSwitch question regarding (foo), can anyone help me with that?
Point being that you're certainly not going to get any assistance if
you neglect to ask for it.
I'm not sure I speak for all of us, but we volunteer our time in the
IRC channel, and on the Wiki. Since we're not paid to give our advice
and/or professional opinions, we're going to goof off when there's
no one there asking for help. We're also going to goof off when
there's people in there that need help, but are too bashful or afraid
to ask for it. It's human nature, and it will happen. It even
happens in the work place. Should you doubt me, just watch around the
water cooler at work. Guaranteed you'll see a couple folks engaged in
conversation that is non-work-related.
You'd probably have gotten your answer a lot sooner by asking for it
in IRC as outlined above, rather that too whine about the
conversations of the people that volunteer their time to help you.
Summary:
If you need help, ask.
If you don't ask, then the only outcome of that lack of action is what?
I could say more, a lot more, but I think I've made my point.
Best Regards,
Karl J. Vesterling
k...@ken-ton.com
202-448-3009 x0
On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do
like the mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that
advocate that solution, do you even realize that you can't post on
Nabble unless you are subscribed to the mailing list? I am also not
a fan of IRC. Before I came upon FreeSWITCH, I hadn't used IRC in
years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client at the same time I
uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually find it
difficult to obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask
the question, if somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the
answer, then you're screwed. How many times have I asked a question
only to wait 30 seconds and then see, anthm has joined
#freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the question again? I have found the
conversation in #openzap to be much more focused. Thank goodness I'm
using that module! In that channel, I never see conversations about
cd burners, somebody's girlfriend in South America, or off color
jokes about someone's sexual proclivity. And because I know I'll get
flamed for saying that, just look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left
#freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out))
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some
pretty dodgy looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably
because I really need some help with some problem I've run into
after hours. Can you imagine me injecting a question about a SIP
profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the
way the three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been
instrumental in getting my project where it is today. You know the
saying... beggars can't be choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
On 3/5/2009 at 5:14 AM, J Mann/Harry gibbedh...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, I've yet to contribute anything, I barely have my system doing
what I want. But I REALLY love Freeswitch and I want to see it BURY
Asterisk. (Windows server user here)
I've been struggling with the XML configs, trying to figure out what
does what and where! That's fine, I'm used to it. What I'm NOT used to
is the total lack of a forum-based community to join and participate
in! Where can users SHARE their configs, help each other, learn from
each others mistakes? No DEV forum?
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Same thing happened to me in regards IRC, I had not used it for years before getting into FS, but as a total newbie I can say that IRC is really good to get things going quickly and all those No rocket science questions we have. I have had people helping realtime looking at pastebin's and stuff, which is a really good thing. When one needs to elaborate on a question maybe mailing list/forum fits better, but what I know in my experience is that eventually you will get the answer thanks to the efforts of the community with the current set of tools. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
We need a poll. a) List b) Forum (b) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Did anybody notice my email from yesterday that shows how there already is a forum on voip-info that is linked to our homepage and nobody uses it? We can't take this poll until we have a list of volunteers who would manage any new online resources. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Saeed Ahmed saeedahmad1...@gmail.comwrote: We need a poll. a) List b) Forum (b) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_miness...@hotmail.com msn%3aanthony_miness...@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.miness...@gmail.compaypal%3aanthony.miness...@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:8...@conference.freeswitch.org sip%3a...@conference.freeswitch.org iax:gu...@conference.freeswitch.org/888 googletalk:conf+...@conference.freeswitch.orggoogletalk%3aconf%2b...@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:213-799-1400 ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Did anybody notice my email from yesterday that shows how there already is a forum on voip-info that is linked to our homepage and nobody uses it? We can't take this poll until we have a list of volunteers who would manage any new online resources. Let's end the torment of this thread by giving an official request for the community: All of those who are willing and able to moderate a forum please stand up, go log in to voip-info.org and see what needs to be done to make it a usable forum. If you are willing to commit to managing the forum please email me at m...@freeswitch.org. There will *NOT* be a forum if we don't get at least one motivated community volunteer to take care of it. Thanks, MC ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
a) List On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Saeed Ahmed saeedahmad1...@gmail.comwrote: We need a poll. a) List b) Forum (b) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- -Rupa ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
[Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
No, I've yet to contribute anything, I barely have my system doing what I want. But I REALLY love Freeswitch and I want to see it BURY Asterisk. (Windows server user here) I've been struggling with the XML configs, trying to figure out what does what and where! That's fine, I'm used to it. What I'm NOT used to is the total lack of a forum-based community to join and participate in! Where can users SHARE their configs, help each other, learn from each others mistakes? No DEV forum? I'm speechless. Let's be serious guys, mailing lists went out in the 90s! IRC is meh at best! I want stickies, a forum for noobs, converts, a dev forum... So on... WELCOME To FreeSWITCH! Am I asking too much here? A FORUM? I can't see how you can spark interest when we're so sorely lacking the most basic and widely used community environments on the net! HELP SOMEBODY? Install SMF ASAP! http://www.simplemachines.org BTW: I hate people who voice problems without offering viable solutions in the process... Disgusting! So if someone can offer up a simple hosting account, Control Panel 10, Windows Linux whatever... I'll be more than happy to have SMF setup and receiving user registrations within 24 hours! I've done it dozens of times before. I will then gladly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the powers that be and take a backseat, being simply a happy user from that point on! Please folks, please. I'm dying over here and I'm sure I'm not alone! I'm searching Google and finding nothing!! FORUMS! Harry (email me here) switchser...@gmail.com (my FS email) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
The wiki explains all that and allows all that, whats wrong with IRC? Come and ask questions if you don't understand, you'll get your answers quicker than complaining about the lack of forum. Math On 5-Mar-09, at 5:14 AM, J Mann/Harry wrote: No, I've yet to contribute anything, I barely have my system doing what I want. But I REALLY love Freeswitch and I want to see it BURY Asterisk. (Windows server user here) I've been struggling with the XML configs, trying to figure out what does what and where! That's fine, I'm used to it. What I'm NOT used to is the total lack of a forum-based community to join and participate in! Where can users SHARE their configs, help each other, learn from each others mistakes? No DEV forum? I'm speechless. Let's be serious guys, mailing lists went out in the 90s! IRC is meh at best! I want stickies, a forum for noobs, converts, a dev forum... So on... WELCOME To FreeSWITCH! Am I asking too much here? A FORUM? I can't see how you can spark interest when we're so sorely lacking the most basic and widely used community environments on the net! HELP SOMEBODY? Install SMF ASAP! http://www.simplemachines.org BTW: I hate people who voice problems without offering viable solutions in the process... Disgusting! So if someone can offer up a simple hosting account, Control Panel 10, Windows Linux whatever... I'll be more than happy to have SMF setup and receiving user registrations within 24 hours! I've done it dozens of times before. I will then gladly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the powers that be and take a backseat, being simply a happy user from that point on! Please folks, please. I'm dying over here and I'm sure I'm not alone! I'm searching Google and finding nothing!! FORUMS! Harry (email me here) switchser...@gmail.com (my FS email) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Not to mention there is a full archive of the mailing list on nabble http://www.nabble.com/Freeswitch-users-f32209.html From: Mathieu Rene mrene_li...@avgs.ca Reply-To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:04:15 -0500 To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment The wiki explains all that and allows all that, whats wrong with IRC? Come and ask questions if you don't understand, you'll get your answers quicker than complaining about the lack of forum. Math On 5-Mar-09, at 5:14 AM, J Mann/Harry wrote: No, I've yet to contribute anything, I barely have my system doing what I want. But I REALLY love Freeswitch and I want to see it BURY Asterisk. (Windows server user here) I've been struggling with the XML configs, trying to figure out what does what and where! That's fine, I'm used to it. What I'm NOT used to is the total lack of a forum-based community to join and participate in! Where can users SHARE their configs, help each other, learn from each others mistakes? No DEV forum? I'm speechless. Let's be serious guys, mailing lists went out in the 90s! IRC is meh at best! I want stickies, a forum for noobs, converts, a dev forum... So on... WELCOME To FreeSWITCH! Am I asking too much here? A FORUM? I can't see how you can spark interest when we're so sorely lacking the most basic and widely used community environments on the net! HELP SOMEBODY? Install SMF ASAP! http://www.simplemachines.org BTW: I hate people who voice problems without offering viable solutions in the process... Disgusting! So if someone can offer up a simple hosting account, Control Panel 10, Windows Linux whatever... I'll be more than happy to have SMF setup and receiving user registrations within 24 hours! I've done it dozens of times before. I will then gladly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the powers that be and take a backseat, being simply a happy user from that point on! Please folks, please. I'm dying over here and I'm sure I'm not alone! I'm searching Google and finding nothing!! FORUMS! Harry (email me here) switchser...@gmail.com (my FS email) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Much more than an archive, nabble makes a full embeddable forum that is linked to the mailing list. We will be embedding this in our webpage soon for the best of both worlds, a forum and a mailing list without the additional overhead of having to monitor 2 things. Mike Ken Rice-3 wrote: Not to mention there is a full archive of the mailing list on nabble http://www.nabble.com/Freeswitch-users-f32209.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Please-end-the-torment-tp2429589p2429661.html Sent from the freeswitch-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
I hate forums. Forums suck. They are a pain in the ass to search and find things. I prefer the mailing list and the Wiki. Can we please keep it that way? It is really easy to find stuff via Nabble and the Wiki. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Michael Jerris m...@jerris.com wrote: Much more than an archive, nabble makes a full embeddable forum that is linked to the mailing list. We will be embedding this in our webpage soon for the best of both worlds, a forum and a mailing list without the additional overhead of having to monitor 2 things. agree! ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do like the
mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that advocate that solution, do
you even realize that you can't post on Nabble unless you are subscribed to the
mailing list? I am also not a fan of IRC. Before I came upon FreeSWITCH, I
hadn't used IRC in years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client at the same time
I uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually find it difficult to
obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask the question, if
somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the answer, then you're screwed.
How many times have I asked a question only to wait 30 seconds and then see,
anthm has joined #freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the question again? I have
found the conversation in #openzap to be much more focused. Thank goodness I'm
using that module! In that channel, I never see conversations about cd burners,
somebody's girlfriend in South America, or off color jokes about someone's
sexual proclivity. And because I know I'll get flamed for saying that, just
look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left #freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) )
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some pretty dodgy
looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably because I really
need some help with some problem I've run into after hours. Can you imagine me
injecting a question about a SIP profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the way the
three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been instrumental in
getting my project where it is today. You know the saying... beggars can't be
choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
On 3/5/2009 at 5:14 AM, J Mann/Harry gibbedh...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I've yet to contribute anything, I barely have my system doing
what I want. But I REALLY love Freeswitch and I want to see it BURY
Asterisk. (Windows server user here)
I've been struggling with the XML configs, trying to figure out what
does what and where! That's fine, I'm used to it. What I'm NOT used to
is the total lack of a forum-based community to join and participate
in! Where can users SHARE their configs, help each other, learn from
each others mistakes? No DEV forum? I'm speechless.
Let's be serious guys, mailing lists went out in the 90s! IRC is meh
at best! I want stickies, a forum for noobs, converts, a dev forum...
So on...
WELCOME To FreeSWITCH!
Am I asking too much here? A FORUM?
I can't see how you can spark interest when we're so sorely lacking
the most basic and widely used community environments on the net!
HELP SOMEBODY? Install SMF ASAP!
http://www.simplemachines.org
BTW: I hate people who voice problems without offering viable
solutions in the process... Disgusting! So if someone can offer up a
simple hosting account, Control Panel 10, Windows Linux whatever...
I'll be more than happy to have SMF setup and receiving user
registrations within 24 hours! I've done it dozens of times before. I
will then gladly turn over the keys to the kingdom to the powers that
be and take a backseat, being simply a happy user from that point on!
Please folks, please. I'm dying over here and I'm sure I'm not alone!
I'm searching Google and finding nothing!! FORUMS!
Harry (email me here)
switchser...@gmail.com (my FS email)
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
I have been trying to push all the social talk into #freeswitch-social
to keep #freeswitch on topic.. sometimes after hours in the US it gets
a bit off topic. I'm usually alive in the channel till around 11PM+
CST most days. I take questions and answer questions at all hours if
I'm awake... I too am guilty of going off topic.
/b
On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do
like the mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that
advocate that solution, do you even realize that you can't post on
Nabble unless you are subscribed to the mailing list? I am also not
a fan of IRC. Before I came upon FreeSWITCH, I hadn't used IRC in
years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client at the same time I
uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually find it
difficult to obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask
the question, if somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the
answer, then you're screwed. How many times have I asked a question
only to wait 30 seconds and then see, anthm has joined
#freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the question again? I have found the
conversation in #openzap to be much more focused. Thank goodness I'm
using that module! In that channel, I never see conversations about
cd burners, somebody's girlfriend in South America, or off color
jokes about someone's sexual proclivity. And because I know I'll get
flamed for saying that, just look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left
#freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out))
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some
pretty dodgy looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably
because I really need some help with some problem I've run into
after hours. Can you imagine me injecting a question about a SIP
profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the
way the three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been
instrumental in getting my project where it is today. You know the
saying... beggars can't be choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
The bot even takes people's question and keeps them in list so when
someone that knows shows up he can answer it, thats the ~take-a-number
option...
On 5-Mar-09, at 12:16 PM, Brian West wrote:
I have been trying to push all the social talk into #freeswitch-
social to keep #freeswitch on topic.. sometimes after hours in the
US it gets a bit off topic. I'm usually alive in the channel till
around 11PM+ CST most days. I take questions and answer questions
at all hours if I'm awake... I too am guilty of going off topic.
/b
On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do
like the mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that
advocate that solution, do you even realize that you can't post on
Nabble unless you are subscribed to the mailing list? I am also not
a fan of IRC. Before I came upon FreeSWITCH, I hadn't used IRC in
years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client at the same time I
uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually find it
difficult to obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you
ask the question, if somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows
the answer, then you're screwed. How many times have I asked a
question only to wait 30 seconds and then see, anthm has joined
#freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the question again? I have found the
conversation in #openzap to be much more focused. Thank goodness
I'm using that module! In that channel, I never see conversations
about cd burners, somebody's girlfriend in South America, or off
color jokes about someone's sexual proclivity. And because I know
I'll get flamed for saying that, just look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has
left #freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out))
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some
pretty dodgy looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably
because I really need some help with some problem I've run into
after hours. Can you imagine me injecting a question about a SIP
profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the
way the three primary developers wish to communicate. They have
been instrumental in getting my project where it is today. You know
the saying... beggars can't be choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
The problem with take-a-number is what if I'm not there when someone can answer
it?
On 3/5/2009 at 12:19 PM, Mathieu Rene mrene_li...@avgs.ca wrote:
The bot even takes people's question and keeps them in list so when someone
that knows shows up he can answer it, thats the ~take-a-number option...
On 5-Mar-09, at 12:16 PM, Brian West wrote:
I have been trying to push all the social talk into #freeswitch-social to keep
#freeswitch on topic.. sometimes after hours in the US it gets a bit off topic.
I'm usually alive in the channel till around 11PM+ CST most days. I take
questions and answer questions at all hours if I'm awake... I too am guilty of
going off topic.
/b
On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do like the
mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that advocate that solution, do
you even realize that you can't post on Nabble unless you are subscribed to the
mailing list? I am also not a fan of IRC. Before I came upon FreeSWITCH, I
hadn't used IRC in years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client at the same time
I uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually find it difficult to
obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask the question, if
somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the answer, then you're screwed.
How many times have I asked a question only to wait 30 seconds and then see,
anthm has joined #freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the question again? I have
found the conversation in #openzap to be much more focused. Thank goodness I'm
using that module! In that channel, I never see conversations about cd burners,
somebody's girlfriend in South America, or off color jokes about someone's
sexual proclivity. And because I know I'll get flamed for saying that, just
look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left #freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some pretty dodgy
looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably because I really
need some help with some problem I've run into after hours. Can you imagine me
injecting a question about a SIP profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the way the
three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been instrumental in
getting my project where it is today. You know the saying... beggars can't be
choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Besides #freeswitch-social and #openzap, there are other channels related to
the project. List:
http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Main_Page#Community_and_Support
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Mathieu Rene mrene_li...@avgs.ca wrote:
The bot even takes people's question and keeps them in list so when someone
that knows shows up he can answer it, thats the ~take-a-number option...
On 5-Mar-09, at 12:16 PM, Brian West wrote:
I have been trying to push all the social talk into #freeswitch-social to
keep #freeswitch on topic.. sometimes after hours in the US it gets a bit
off topic. I'm usually alive in the channel till around 11PM+ CST most
days. I take questions and answer questions at all hours if I'm awake... I
too am guilty of going off topic.
/b
On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do like the
mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that advocate that solution,
do you even realize that you can't post on Nabble unless you *are* subscribed
to the mailing list? I am also not a fan of IRC. Before I came upon
FreeSWITCH, I hadn't used IRC in years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client
at the same time I uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually
find it difficult to obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask
the question, if somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the answer,
then you're screwed. How many times have I asked a question only to wait 30
seconds and then see, anthm has joined #freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the
question again? I *have* found the conversation in #openzap to be much
more focused. Thank goodness I'm using that module! In that channel, I never
see conversations about cd burners, somebody's girlfriend in South America,
or off color jokes about someone's sexual proclivity. And because I know
I'll get flamed for saying that, just look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left
#freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out) )
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some pretty
dodgy looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably because I
really need some help with some problem I've run into after hours. Can you
imagine me injecting a question about a SIP profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the way the
three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been instrumental in
getting my project where it is today. You know the saying... beggars can't
be choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote: I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do like the mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that advocate that solution, do you even realize that you can't post on Nabble unless you are subscribed to the mailing list? Fair points, the plan to address this is that we are moving to a new back-end to our hosting infrastructure that has unified logins. Once this is in place we can make it so you are a member of the mailing list as soon as you have an id, although set to not receive mail, then we'll have a subscriptions options page where you can just check the lists you want sent to you via email, and the nabble forums can be embedded in our page directly. It is not perfect but much closer to something usable. I understand that some are more comfortable than others with different modes of communication. We are trying to find a balance between being able to serve the community with the best way to communicate for them, and us being able to actually monitor and maintain it. A forum is pretty useless if no one responds or monitors it and already we are flooded by the amount on the mailing list, having to answer the same question the same day in both because someone prefers one to the other and having to spend time checking both is not a good use of time. Do you think that if we better integrate the nabble forums into our site and list subscriptions that it would be a usable system? Mike ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Ok,
SO? We should make a forum?
See this one?
http://www.voip-info.org/boards/index.php?b=6
Yah, that one has been around for many months and nobody maintains it. We
do have a link to it on our homepage but nobody reads it so, there is a
dilemma here right?
IRC is for sure more useful of a resource between 9am and 6pm GMT-6 in the
timezone where me and bkw live. Any other times it would be up to other
community members like the few who have been stepping up in a major way in
the last few weeks, thank you all.
I don't know how good of a job we are doing, but we are a small group and we
already spend most of every day managing a bug tracker, irc, and this list.
If you took a poll 8/10 people hate forums. I don't really know if i like
them or not, I have enjoyed finding forums before that discussed something
that happened ages ago that relates to a problem I have and being able to
skim months into the future reading the end results, but more times than not
they go south and contain a bunch of flaming back and forth about midway
through.
We already need voulenteers to help manage the resources we already have,
Website, Mailing list, JIRA. If we introduce more we, run the risk of doing
a bad job at maintaining them. Is anyone willing to help?
If you can use nabble to post as long as you have an account on the mailing
list, can't you just disable mail dilevery and use the nabble exclusively?
If not is there another solution? I really need some help in this
department to even consider introducing any more community resources.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Brian West br...@freeswitch.org wrote:
I have been trying to push all the social talk into #freeswitch-social to
keep #freeswitch on topic.. sometimes after hours in the US it gets a bit
off topic. I'm usually alive in the channel till around 11PM+ CST most
days. I take questions and answer questions at all hours if I'm awake... I
too am guilty of going off topic.
/b
On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote:
I agree with Harry. I do not like the mailing list. Those that do like the
mailing list always advocate Nabble. For those that advocate that solution,
do you even realize that you can't post on Nabble unless you *are* subscribed
to the mailing list? I am also not a fan of IRC. Before I came upon
FreeSWITCH, I hadn't used IRC in years! I think I uninstalled my IRC client
at the same time I uninstalled my NNTP reader. Most of the time, I actually
find it difficult to obtain support in the #freeswitch channel. Once you ask
the question, if somebody doesn't happen to be there that knows the answer,
then you're screwed. How many times have I asked a question only to wait 30
seconds and then see, anthm has joined #freeswitch. Crap...do I ask the
question again? I *have* found the conversation in #openzap to be much
more focused. Thank goodness I'm using that module! In that channel, I never
see conversations about cd burners, somebody's girlfriend in South America,
or off color jokes about someone's sexual proclivity. And because I know
I'll get flamed for saying that, just look at this:
[23:10] {tasker} me, too, but i'm a different animal
[23:10] {tasker} in NY and in Miami i went nutz
[23:10] diegoviola lol
[23:10] * jefferai is now known as lollerai
[23:10] diegoviola yeah i love her
[23:10] {tasker} latinas everywhere
[23:11] * lanwifie (n=s...@99-196-39-200.cust.wildblue.net) has left
#freeswitch
[23:11] * jjg (n=...@76.21.4.40) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out) )
[23:11] hmmhesays here its blond blue eyed girls
[23:11] * lollerai is now known as lolferai
[23:11] rpm brazilians... hopefully she's hot. i've seen some pretty
dodgy looking chicks from there
[23:11] {tasker} diego: go back, buy her a ticket and tell her,
yeah, it's just for a few days
[23:11] * martyn-dev (n=marty...@190.26.4.61) has joined #freeswitch
[23:11] {tasker} blonde / blue eyes are overrated
[23:11] {tasker} give me a latina any day
[23:11] hmmhesays best thing around here though
If I'm going into #freeswitch at 11pm at night, it's probably because I
really need some help with some problem I've run into after hours. Can you
imagine me injecting a question about a SIP profile into that conversation??
ALL that aside... I'm willing to use a carrier pigeon if that's the way the
three primary developers wish to communicate. They have been instrumental in
getting my project where it is today. You know the saying... beggars can't
be choosers.
Ben Holtsclaw
Network Engineer
Avery County Schools
Ph: 828.733.3567 x2301
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Well you can always shoot an email to the mailing list... or wait for someone that can answer it.. which reminds me we really need people to volunteer to help out on the IRC channel so we have skilled people able to answer questions 24/7, I personally cover 12-16 hours a day most of the time. Even weekends! I was even up at 4am today and answered a few. /b On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote: The problem with take-a-number is what if I'm not there when someone can answer it? ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Brian West br...@freeswitch.org wrote: Well you can always shoot an email to the mailing list... or wait for someone that can answer it.. which reminds me we really need people to volunteer to help out on the IRC channel so we have skilled people able to answer questions 24/7, I personally cover 12-16 hours a day most of the time. Even weekends! I was even up at 4am today and answered a few. I'm usually on the channel starting 9am (GMT -3). Can't answer every question like you guys, but I can surely help. /b On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Ben Holtsclaw wrote: The problem with take-a-number is what if I'm not there when someone can answer it? ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Arnaldo M Pereira ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
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You guys should setup 1-900-FREESWITCH w/ a $1 / minute charge.. :) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
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A bunch of telephony geeks and a 1900 number - what could go wrong? Anyways, I too don't understand why people prefer forums. I follow dozens of mailling lists and a half a dozen e-mail addresses without ever leaving my mail client. My mail client happens to be gmail, btw: - Much more customization, filtering, etc possible than any web forum - Local copies of all messages - Search is awesome, ever hear of Google? ;) Web forums are good when you have to serve ads to people to get paid. Other than that they are certainly not the ideal tool for the job. Besides (and don't take this as an insult) - have you ever compared the web forums to the mailing lists for projects that offer both? Say what you want to say about mailing lists and IRC but the reality (usually) is the l33tz all hang out here and web forums (almost always) end up with the same groups of n00bz circling around and around trying to figure out how to accomplish even the most basic of tasks. Obviously that can go both ways but as a rule of thumb the people that are usually in a position to help others typically prefer mailing lists (probably for some of the reasons I cited above). Or maybe they are just old gray hairs too stuck in their ways. I don't know. ;) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Gregory Boehnlein da...@nacs.net wrote: You guys should setup 1-900-FREESWITCH w/ a $1 / minute charge.. :) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Kristian Kielhofner http://blog.krisk.org http://www.submityoursip.com http://www.astlinux.org http://www.star2star.com ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
On Mar 5, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote: A bunch of telephony geeks and a 1900 number - what could go wrong? Anyways, I too don't understand why people prefer forums. I follow dozens of mailling lists and a half a dozen e-mail addresses without ever leaving my mail client. My mail client happens to be gmail, btw: - Much more customization, filtering, etc possible than any web forum - Local copies of all messages - Search is awesome, ever hear of Google? ;) Web forums are good when you have to serve ads to people to get paid. Other than that they are certainly not the ideal tool for the job. Besides (and don't take this as an insult) - have you ever compared the web forums to the mailing lists for projects that offer both? Say what you want to say about mailing lists and IRC but the reality (usually) is the l33tz all hang out here and web forums (almost always) end up with the same groups of n00bz circling around and around trying to figure out how to accomplish even the most basic of tasks. Obviously that can go both ways but as a rule of thumb the people that are usually in a position to help others typically prefer mailing lists (probably for some of the reasons I cited above). Or maybe they are just old gray hairs too stuck in their ways. I don't know. ;) I previously thought the same about the insiders always preferring mailing lists but I have a friend who is a core member of the cacti developers and they apparently prefer the forums to the lists, but have both. Food for thought at least. MIke ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
If as you say people prefer forums then that's the nature of the target market and controlling markets can be very difficult. So you go with the market to succeed. The build it and they will come attitude virtually never works well. -Original Message- From: Kristian Kielhofner kristian.kielhof...@gmail.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment A bunch of telephony geeks and a 1900 number - what could go wrong? Anyways, I too don't understand why people prefer forums. I follow dozens of mailling lists and a half a dozen e-mail addresses without ever leaving my mail client. My mail client happens to be gmail, btw: - Much more customization, filtering, etc possible than any web forum - Local copies of all messages - Search is awesome, ever hear of Google? ;) Web forums are good when you have to serve ads to people to get paid. Other than that they are certainly not the ideal tool for the job. Besides (and don't take this as an insult) - have you ever compared the web forums to the mailing lists for projects that offer both? Say what you want to say about mailing lists and IRC but the reality (usually) is the l33tz all hang out here and web forums (almost always) end up with the same groups of n00bz circling around and around trying to figure out how to accomplish even the most basic of tasks. Obviously that can go both ways but as a rule of thumb the people that are usually in a position to help others typically prefer mailing lists (probably for some of the reasons I cited above). Or maybe they are just old gray hairs too stuck in their ways. I don't know. ;) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Gregory Boehnlein da...@nacs.net wrote: You guys should setup 1-900-FREESWITCH w/ a $1 / minute charge.. :) ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org -- Kristian Kielhofner http://blog.krisk.org http://www.submityoursip.com http://www.astlinux.org http://www.star2star.com ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
mszla...@aol.com mszla...@aol.com wrote: If as you say people prefer forums then that's the nature of the target market and controlling markets can be very difficult. So you go with the market to succeed. Most free software/open-source people I've encountered prefer mailing lists and don't like being forced to use a Web interface instead (unless it's the Web interface of their preferred Web mail provider, in which case they're not being compelled to use it). For some of us, a Web forum is hard and inconvenient to use, because it substitutes the forum operator's user interface for that of the user's preferred mail client. I have reasons for choosing the mail client that I use, and if I had to work via somebody else's Web interface instead it would probably result in my not participating at all. This list can also be accessed via the Web and over NNTP at gmane.org. For NNTP enthusiasts, the news group is mane.comp.telephony.freeswitch.user - just connect your news reader to news.gmane.org. You can also post from the newsgroup; the first time you do so, an automated e-mail message will arrive in your inbox requesting confirmation, for spam prevention purposes. I don't know whether it is possible to post from the gmane.org Web site. They use Xapian as their search tool, which, in my experience, usually places the most relevant posts near the top of the search results. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Web forums are like the wild west of the internet. They offer nothing that a mailing list and good wiki can't handle. Just go take a look at the trixbox forums. The last thing you want it for someone that is looking into freeswitch for the first time, to come across something like this (The Beginning of the End for CEhttp://trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/begining-end-ce), 1 click off the front page. I'd really hate to see FS go down this Mob Rule path. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: mszla...@aol.com mszla...@aol.com wrote: If as you say people prefer forums then that's the nature of the target market and controlling markets can be very difficult. So you go with the market to succeed. Most free software/open-source people I've encountered prefer mailing lists and don't like being forced to use a Web interface instead (unless it's the Web interface of their preferred Web mail provider, in which case they're not being compelled to use it). For some of us, a Web forum is hard and inconvenient to use, because it substitutes the forum operator's user interface for that of the user's preferred mail client. I have reasons for choosing the mail client that I use, and if I had to work via somebody else's Web interface instead it would probably result in my not participating at all. This list can also be accessed via the Web and over NNTP at gmane.org. For NNTP enthusiasts, the news group is mane.comp.telephony.freeswitch.user - just connect your news reader to news.gmane.org. You can also post from the newsgroup; the first time you do so, an automated e-mail message will arrive in your inbox requesting confirmation, for spam prevention purposes. I don't know whether it is possible to post from the gmane.org Web site. They use Xapian as their search tool, which, in my experience, usually places the most relevant posts near the top of the search results. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment
Again, if your target market prefers lists, then go with list. If they prefer forums then it's forums. The point is that it's not about what a few like, it's about the mob but the right mob. -Original Message- From: David Dan davidw...@gmail.com To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Please end the torment Web forums are like the wild west of the internet.? They offer nothing that a mailing list and good wiki can't handle. Just go take a look at the trixbox forums. The last thing you want it for someone that is looking into freeswitch for the first time, to come across something like this (The Beginning of the End for CE), 1 click off the front page.? I'd really hate to see FS go down this Mob Rule path. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: mszla...@aol.com mszla...@aol.com wrote: If as you say people prefer forums then that's the nature of the target market and controlling markets can be very difficult. So you go with the market to succeed. Most free software/open-source people I've encountered prefer mailing lists and don't like being forced to use a Web interface instead (unless it's the Web interface of their preferred Web mail provider, in which case they're not being compelled to use it). For some of us, a Web forum is hard and inconvenient to use, because it substitutes the forum operator's user interface for that of the user's preferred mail client. I have reasons for choosing the mail client that I use, and if I had to work via somebody else's Web interface instead it would probably result in my not participating at all. This list can also be accessed via the Web and over NNTP at gmane.org. For NNTP enthusiasts, the news group is mane.comp.telephony.freeswitch.user - just connect your news reader to news.gmane.org. You can also post from the newsgroup; the first time you do so, an automated e-mail message will arrive in your inbox requesting confirmation, for spam prevention purposes. I don't know whether it is possible to post from the gmane.org Web site. They use Xapian as their search tool, which, in my experience, usually places the most relevant posts near the top of the search results. ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org ___ Freeswitch-users mailing list Freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
