Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld 
> I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.

Yes, i would say it falls between 2.0 and 3.5 standard deviations.


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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Carl Tollander  wrote:
> Another discussion: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/
>
> I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.
>
> One should not take anything said as evidence for or against any particular
> string theory, despite what media commentary will happen afterwards.
>
> carl
>
>
> On 12/12/11 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>
> fyi
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc
>
> Perhaps.  We shall see.
> -tj
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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Joshua Thorp 
What is the stunt?  

Is it just suppressing the warning message?

--joshua

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

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> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
> It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.
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> -- rec --
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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Carl Tollander 

Another discussion: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.

One should not take anything said as evidence for or against any 
particular string theory, despite what media commentary will happen 
afterwards.


carl

On 12/12/11 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

fyi

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

Perhaps.  We shall see.
-tj




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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Gillian Densmore 
Not a physicist myself- one of the articles the article linked to did
mention the possablility of there not being a  higgs-boson but other
mechanics to explain how stuff aquires mass.
-GD

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> fyi
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc
>
> Perhaps.  We shall see.
> -tj
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Owen Densmore 
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.
>
> -- rec --
>
>
And Minimalist, with the css I sent before, is not flagged so the stunt
works.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Roger Critchlow 
It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.

-- rec --

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Dale Schumacher  wrote:

> Interesting!  I'm not on this list, and I use a direct gmail address
> (from the web gui presently), so this is a sort-of test to see if my
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> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Owen Densmore 
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> > I'd really like it if a sysadmin would look at the problem to see if our
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> > carrera.fa...@gmail.com
> > ckief...@gmail.com
> > collida...@gmail.com
> > drew.einh...@gmail.com
> > editorst...@gmail.com
> > erik.nels0...@gmail.com
> > ewhitm...@gmail.com
> > gil.densm...@gmail.com
> > glennwi...@gmail.com
> > grant.holland...@gmail.com
> > gregortr...@gmail.com
> > gsonn...@gmail.com
> > mhbar...@gmail.com
> > mree.wh...@gmail.com
> > mthomasart...@gmail.com
> > ppary...@gmail.com
> > redfishgroup...@gmail.com
> > rmfor...@gmail.com
> > russ.abb...@gmail.com
> > scottwittenb...@gmail.com
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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Douglas Roberts 
Been hearing rumors of this for about a week.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> fyi
>
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc
>
> Perhaps.  We shall see.
> -tj
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[FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Tom Johnson 
fyi

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

Perhaps.  We shall see.
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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Dale Schumacher 
Interesting!  I'm not on this list, and I use a direct gmail address
(from the web gui presently), so this is a sort-of test to see if my
email is flagged.  How does it look?

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> Here are the 27 email addresses I've seen so far that give the weird gmail
> error message .. I think its any direct @gmail.com account, i.e. not those
> of us using our own domains.
>
> I'd really like it if a sysadmin would look at the problem to see if our
> mail lists could include the headers Google wants.
>
> This message may not have been sent by:
>     alfredocoval...@gmail.com
>     brittgris...@gmail.com
>     bruce.sherw...@gmail.com
>     carrera.fa...@gmail.com
>     ckief...@gmail.com
>     collida...@gmail.com
>     drew.einh...@gmail.com
>     editorst...@gmail.com
>     erik.nels0...@gmail.com
>     ewhitm...@gmail.com
>     gil.densm...@gmail.com
>     glennwi...@gmail.com
>     grant.holland...@gmail.com
>     gregortr...@gmail.com
>     gsonn...@gmail.com
>     mhbar...@gmail.com
>     mree.wh...@gmail.com
>     mthomasart...@gmail.com
>     ppary...@gmail.com
>     redfishgroup...@gmail.com
>     rmfor...@gmail.com
>     russ.abb...@gmail.com
>     scottwittenb...@gmail.com
>     sidh...@gmail.com
>     sroy...@gmail.com
>     stalkingt...@gmail.com
>     tylerwhitedes...@gmail.com
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] The Primacy of Primeness!

2011-12-12 Thread qef 
Greetings, all --

Pamela's comments about pure and applied mathematics reminded me of this 
classic XKCD strip:

http://xkcd.com/435/

Happy Hols,

- Claiborne -

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Pamela McCorduck 
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Primacy of Primeness!


Ah, Peter, lovely story. By chance, we visited Bletchley Park on the day that 
the Brits returned--with great ceremony--an Enigma machine to the Poles, the 
people who'd first supplied the Brits with one. (We ourselves have two.) 


However, my sense is that pure mathematicians look down a tad on applied 
mathematicians. Okay if something you discovered/invented a hundred years ago 
turns out to have a practical use today, but to actually invent/discover math 
with the hope of finding an application for it, or with the hope of having it 
describe some phenomena--useful, sure; but, you know, intellectually tacky.


P.




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Prime Theory -- not to be Mocked, or Knocked!  My tutor in grad school math at 
Cambridge was one Shaun Wylie, dead now;  a famoso number expert.  He was a 
supervisor at Bletchley where  a chappie called Turing worked for him.   They 
broke ENIGMA, that may have won the war --  certainly shortened it by a year or 
so.  Interestingly, the Krauts were so convinced of their profs' bloody 
brilliance that for years they refused to believe that some bloody non-Aryan 
Limeys coulda broken it.  Thus giving us lotsa running room!

Being a young ignorant prick (now, regrettably, an Old IP), I made stupid jokes 
like that the number one to the nth power had n divisors.  With his modest 
integrity, he quietly filled me in on some of the practical uses of prime 
theory for code breaking.   And he NEVER just talked about math -- he DID 
things with it!!

 There is indeed  " more in heaven and earth, Horatio,  than thy philosophy 
dreams of".
 
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Re: [FRIAM] The Primacy of Primeness!

2011-12-12 Thread Pamela McCorduck 
Ah, Peter, lovely story. By chance, we visited Bletchley Park on the  
day that the Brits returned--with great ceremony--an Enigma machine to  
the Poles, the people who'd first supplied the Brits with one. (We  
ourselves have two.)


However, my sense is that pure mathematicians look down a tad on  
applied mathematicians. Okay if something you discovered/invented a  
hundred years ago turns out to have a practical use today, but to  
actually invent/discover math with the hope of finding an application  
for it, or with the hope of having it describe some phenomena--useful,  
sure; but, you know, intellectually tacky.


P.


On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:24 PM, plissa...@comcast.net wrote:

Prime Theory -- not to be Mocked, or Knocked!  My tutor in grad  
school math at Cambridge was one Shaun Wylie, dead now;  a famoso  
number expert.  He was a supervisor at Bletchley where  a chappie  
called Turing worked for him.   They broke ENIGMA, that may have won  
the war --  certainly shortened it by a year or so.  Interestingly,  
the Krauts were so convinced of their profs' bloody brilliance that  
for years they refused to believe that some bloody non-Aryan Limeys  
coulda broken it.  Thus giving us lotsa running room!


Being a young ignorant prick (now, regrettably, an Old IP), I made  
stupid jokes like that the number one to the nth power had n  
divisors.  With his modest integrity, he quietly filled me in on  
some of the practical uses of prime theory for code breaking.   And  
he NEVER just talked about math -- he DID things with it!!


 There is indeed  " more in heaven and earth, Horatio,  than thy  
philosophy dreams of".


Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728


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