Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Mozilla Announces Firefox OS Developer Preview Phone

2013-01-23 Thread Owen Densmore 
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Grant Holland
wrote:

>  Owen,
>
> How do you square your pro-HTML5 position with Facebook's backtracking om
> HTML5 - and returning to the world of actual applications?
>

Evolution. Smartphones initially used apps, there really was no other
alternative.  I'm talking pre-iPhone .. Treo, RIM, Nokia etc.

But when html5 etc caught up, there was conflict, mainly because the
handset mfgrs didn't want to provide access to the latest stunt they had
(better camera, gps and so on).  But the browser has always had an
advantage: its everywhere .. even on TVs nowadays.  So hip app providers
started back to the future: providing web-first, with apps secondarily.

A cute example of the merge occurred with Kindle on iOS.  Apple insisted on
a cut of transactions made in-app.  Amazon bristled at that, naturally, so
they provided a web-app kindle: works on all devices (even TV) and is easy
to maintain.  They do still provide apps but the fallback is always there,
and the UI experience is often better than the apps.  And you don't have to
have yet another login: in-app and on-web.

Also, remember, I'm sensitive to the unholy trinity: OS provider, handset
mfgr, and carrier .. who's in charge?

With a back-to-the-web phone, I feel that I've got a lot more control than
with my draconian iPhone and my dysfunctional and chaotic Android.  Its the
same experience everywhere, and as a developer, I'm back to not having to
get in the middle of the Apple, Google, Amazon, RIM, Nokia, ... wars.  Just
the web, standards all the way down.

In terms of FB, they will find a way to do what they want whatever the
environment.  I'm not very facebook-y, so that may not be your question,
but from 50K feet, I'd prefer to not to create an artificial divide -- apps
vs webapps, especially when the web will always win out.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Mozilla Announces Firefox OS Developer Preview Phone

2013-01-23 Thread Marcus G. Daniels 

On 1/23/13 8:10 PM, Grant Holland wrote:
How do you square your pro-HTML5 position with Facebook's backtracking 
om HTML5 - and returning to the world of actual applications?


Page 20 of http://syntensity.com/static/splashpres.pdf gives a sense of 
where just in time compilers for JavaScript are relative to GCC.   
Basically within a factor of 3 of C.


The latest Mozilla has a new JIT called IonMonkey that is faster.

Think of JavaScript as a macro language on top of an in-memory 
assembler.  Add typed arrays, and there's no reason why JavaScript can't 
at least be as fast as Java.


A classic example:  http://bellard.org/jslinux/

Marcus

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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Mozilla Announces Firefox OS Developer Preview Phone

2013-01-23 Thread Grant Holland 

Owen,

How do you square your pro-HTML5 position with Facebook's backtracking 
om HTML5 - and returning to the world of actual applications?


Grant

On 1/23/13 6:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
This might be interesting: mozilla and a web-centric phone os.  If 
they really do move the phone world from apps back to webapps, that 
would be a good thing, I think.  At least if they could give the same 
quality of user experience as a native app.


http://www.iclarified.com/26851/mozilla-announces-firefox-os-developer-preview-phone 



I've never been comfortable with the app revolution, moving away from 
html5/css/javascript.  Maybe naive of me.  But in terms of security, a 
whole new set of "logins" on non-web software makes reasonable 
authentication (Persona & Google's Kill the Password device) harder .. 
lets keep to the browser, even as an OS.


   -- Owen



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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Mozilla Announces Firefox OS Developer Preview Phone

2013-01-23 Thread Marcus G. Daniels 

On 1/23/13 6:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
This might be interesting: mozilla and a web-centric phone os.  If 
they really do move the phone world from apps back to webapps, that 
would be a good thing, I think.
A reason to favor Mozilla is because they are acting in the public 
interest.

HTML5 is just a means to that end.

Google, Apple, and Microsoft are acting in their own interest with their 
smartphone products.


There's a secondary minor technical reason which is that Mozilla doesn't 
have the overhead of a JVM or a CLR in the way.  So, eventually, it will 
probably be faster than at least the Android or Windows products and 
consume less energy.


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[FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Mozilla Announces Firefox OS Developer Preview Phone

2013-01-23 Thread Owen Densmore 
This might be interesting: mozilla and a web-centric phone os.  If they
really do move the phone world from apps back to webapps, that would be a
good thing, I think.  At least if they could give the same quality of user
experience as a native app.

http://www.iclarified.com/26851/mozilla-announces-firefox-os-developer-preview-phone

I've never been comfortable with the app revolution, moving away from
html5/css/javascript.  Maybe naive of me.  But in terms of security, a
whole new set of "logins" on non-web software makes reasonable
authentication (Persona & Google's Kill the Password device) harder .. lets
keep to the browser, even as an OS.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data

2013-01-23 Thread glen 
Steve Smith wrote at 01/18/2013 08:27 PM:
> My presence at the bar was public data and I didn't do anything in
> particular to keep it private.  Fortunately neither of my parents were
> drinkers (except at home in small quantities) and only a couple of times
> did it seem like I was close to getting busted. It was a large enough
> town or small enough city that such a thing could happen...  and a good
> lesson in the issues of public/private.

I've always found it a fun and interesting challenge when someone I know
expresses "too much" knowledge about me.  In most polite contexts, this
doesn't seem to happen.  Everyone is polite enough to let old people
tell the same story over and over again, or avoid correcting a friend
who remembers things wrong or embellishes for the purpose of the story.
 I can remember vividly when I first grokked that quote by Emerson:

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

I was sitting at a crawfish boil at my uncle's house listening to two
men (it's always men who do this, I think) discuss in very great detail
what roads would take another guy to the beer store.  This is in rural
Texas and it's debatable whether there were multiple (practical) paths.
 They went on and on about the distance you had to go on any given road
and what landmarks you had to watch for.  For me, somewhere at age 12-14
at the time, it was like listening to them talk about baseball or
football, which were the other useless subjects they talked for hours
about.  Amazingly, the guy tasked to make the beer run tolerated all
this and showed no apprehension or anxiety whatsoever... perhaps because
it's a family full of cajuns?  Had it been me, I would have abandoned
them and engaged in the search on my own within the first minute ... no
wonder they never liked me. >8^)

Anyway, my apathy toward that sort of thing changes if someone expresses
detailed, true[*], _personal_ knowledge about me, even if it's just one
on one conversation.  In a friendly setting, it triggers a fugue-ish
introspection.  In a hostile setting, it triggers a kind of super-search
to flesh out the knowledge graph around the factoid the bogey presented,
still introspective, but not reflective.

[*] Obviously, by "true", I mean their account matches my own memory.
If they're wrong, it triggers an entirely different set of behaviors.

-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] here we go

2013-01-23 Thread glen 
Arlo Barnes wrote at 01/20/2013 12:11 PM:
> New: Is this the selfsame Axiom of Choice that enables Banach-Tarski if
> used?

Yes, that's the way I intend to use it.

-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Preserving email correspondence

2013-01-23 Thread Douglas Roberts 
:)


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Arlo Barnes  wrote:

> You mean...he has gone to the Vi side? :P
> -Arlo James Barnes
>
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