Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now sitting
in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up with a
solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works. Google
is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:

> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
> wrote:
>
>> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>>
>>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>>
>>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>>> short list.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>>
 Doug --

 So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
 custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?


 WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
 band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
 which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
 same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
 implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
 never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
 Bluetooth.

 My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
 able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
 to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
 radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
 attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
 but it didn't make it.

 There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
 to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.

 So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
 Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?

 -- rec --


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like I.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>>> Browser:
>>> Chrome 25.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1440x900
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 11
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>> IP Address:
>>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>>> Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
 black sheep of the cell phone flock.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore <
 o...@backspaces.net> wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>
> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
> Nexus and LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy
> line and the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research

[Sarbajit Roy]

digressing, I (non citizen) just registered and voted today on another We
the People, Petition.

So its kind of neat to see that US policies get voted on by Global Citizens.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Robert J. Cordingley <
rob...@cirrillian.com> wrote:

>  Do you have prove US Citizenship to gain access?  (It says citizens with
> a small 'c'.)  Shouldn't one be?
> Robert C
>
>
> On 2/23/13 10:05 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> Hey, it worked!  From midway down:
>
>  To that end, I have issued a memorandum today 
> (.pdf)
>  to
> Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in research
> and development expenditures to develop plans to make the results of
> federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12
> months after original publication. As you pointed out, the public access
> policy adopted by the National Institutes of Health has been a great
> success. And while this new policy call does not insist that every agency
> copy the NIH approach exactly, it does ensure that similar policies will
> appear across government.
>
>
> -- Owen
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: The White House 
> Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM
> Subject: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of
> Scientific Research
> To: o...@backspaces.net
>
>
> [image: The White House]
>
>
> Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research
>
> *By Dr. John Holdren, Assistant to the President for Science and
> Technology and Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology
> Policy*
>
> Thank you for your 
> participationin
>  the We the People platform. The Obama Administration agrees that
> citizens deserve easy access to the results of research their tax dollars
> have paid for. As you may know, the Office of Science and Technology Policy
> has been looking into this issue for some time and has reached out to the
> public on two occasions for input on the question of how best to achieve
> this goal of democratizing the results of federally-funded research. Your
> petition has been important to our discussions of this issue.
>
> The logic behind enhanced public access is plain. We know that scientific
> research supported by the Federal Government spurs scientific breakthroughs
> and economic advances when research results are made available to
> innovators. Policies that mobilize these intellectual assets for re-use
> through broader access can accelerate scientific breakthroughs, increase
> innovation, and promote economic growth. That’s why the Obama
> Administration is committed to ensuring that the results of
> federally-funded scientific research are made available to and useful for
> the public, industry, and the scientific community.
>
> Moreover, this research was funded by taxpayer dollars. Americans should
> have easy access to the results of research they help support.
>
> To that end, I have issued a memorandum today 
> (.pdf)to
>  Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in
> research and development expenditures to develop plans to make the results
> of federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12
> months after original publication. As you pointed out, the public access
> policy adopted by the National Institutes of Health has been a great
> success. And while this new policy call does not insist that every agency
> copy the NIH approach exactly, it does ensure that similar policies will
> appear across government.
>
> As I mentioned, these policies were developed carefully through extensive
> public consultation. We wanted to strike the balance b

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
Bluetooth speakers.  :)
On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore"  wrote:

> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>
>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>
>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>> short list.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>
>>> Doug --
>>>
>>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>>
>>>
>>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
>>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>>> but it didn't make it.
>>>
>>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>>
>>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>>
>>> -- rec --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

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 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>> Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier

 http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
 Nexus and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
 and the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
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>

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
> can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
> list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

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>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Android and Google Observation

[Steve Smith]

  
  

  "To which I have the official
Google corporate response: Fuck you: we're Google.

  
  
  

  
  Get this GoogleBrat some Gloves!
  
  


  
  you can get these handmade on Etsy
  but

  
  I know a good tattoo artist if you need one.



This one is for those who only read fixed pitch fonts
wait.. no inline html either.
  
  
  
  
  I like the iKnucks, though.


  

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Steve
  Smith 
  wrote:
  

  
 

  I noticed
a definite social network trend in the past year:
the exploding growth of the Android web presence, as
evidenced by the increase in web traffic in places
like Android Police, Android Central, xdadevelopers,
code.google.com,
and others.
 

The other thing thing I've noticed is that a
  Google fanboi club has evolved relatively recently
  that is every bit as annoying as the Apple fanboi
  club, if not more so.  Perhaps because the Google
  fanbois have an apparent average age of about 14,
  or 15.  Yikes.  The ignorance.  The illiteracy.
   Wow.  Stupefying.
  



  
  In a dustup
 I think my fanbois
  
  
  

  can take your fanbois
  ...
  drunk OR sober!

  
  



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Re: [FRIAM] Android and Google Observation

[Douglas Roberts]

To which I have the official Google corporate response: Fuck you: we're
Google.

I like the iKnucks, though.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>   I noticed a definite social network trend in the past year: the
> exploding growth of the Android web presence, as evidenced by the increase
> in web traffic in places like Android Police, Android Central,
> xdadevelopers, code.google.com, and others.
>
>  The other thing thing I've noticed is that a Google fanboi club has
> evolved relatively recently that is every bit as annoying as the Apple
> fanboi club, if not more so.  Perhaps because the Google fanbois have an
> apparent average age of about 14, or 15.  Yikes.  The ignorance.  The
> illiteracy.  Wow.  Stupefying.
>
>
>
> In a dustup
>  I think my fanbois
>
>  [image: Apple iPhone 4 / 4S Brass Knuckles Bumper
> Case - Silver]
> can take your fanbois
> ...
> drunk OR sober!
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Android and Google Observation

[Steve Smith]

  
  

  
  


  I noticed a definite social network trend in the
past year: the exploding growth of the Android web presence, as
evidenced by the increase in web traffic in places like Android
Police, Android Central, xdadevelopers, code.google.com,
and others.

  

The other thing thing I've noticed is that a Google fanboi
  club has evolved relatively recently that is every bit as
  annoying as the Apple fanboi club, if not more so.  Perhaps
  because the Google fanbois have an apparent average age of
  about 14, or 15.  Yikes.  The ignorance.  The illiteracy.
   Wow.  Stupefying.
  



In a dustup
   I think my fanbois



  
can take your fanbois
...
drunk OR sober!
  


  


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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Bruce Sherwood]

I only tried navigation mode once, briefly, so I can't really testify to
what happens with my AT&T Galaxy S3 in that respect.

My main beef with Google currently is that despite major complaints,
including a person pointing out the dangers to someone as a result of
revealing rather publicly with whom they've been "hanging out", is that it
is still true that Google+ logs your hangouts in your list of activities.

Bruce


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Stephen Guerin  wrote:

> The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora
> (doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though
> I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well).
>
> I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do
> with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode.
> https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U.
> Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic
> trying to make a meeting or flight :-)
>
> Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you?
>
> -S
>
>
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>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-l

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Google's whole "We're Google, fuck you." attitude is getting a bit old.
 Not only can we not get them to acknowledge that the bad wifi / bluetooth
interaction exists on the Nexus 4, we can't get any info on whether it is a
hardware or software issue.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio
> should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
> time.  It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are
> in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio.
>
> There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4,
> listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in the 
> APQ8064
> row.  The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using
> Android 4.0.  The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android
> 4.1.  The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1.
>  Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at
> the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made.
>
> And I misspoke,  the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz.
>
> -- rec --
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Roger Critchlow]

Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio
should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
time.  It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are
in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio.

There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4,
listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in
the APQ8064
row.  The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using
Android 4.0.  The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android
4.1.  The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1.
 Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at
the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made.

And I misspoke,  the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz.

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[FRIAM] Android and Google Observation

[Douglas Roberts]

I noticed a definite social network trend in the past year: the exploding
growth of the Android web presence, as evidenced by the increase in web
traffic in places like Android Police, Android Central, xdadevelopers,
code.google.com, and others.

The other thing thing I've noticed is that a Google fanboi club has evolved
relatively recently that is every bit as annoying as the Apple fanboi club,
if not more so.  Perhaps because the Google fanbois have an apparent
average age of about 14, or 15.  Yikes.  The ignorance.  The illiteracy.
 Wow.  Stupefying.

It doesn't help that we are getting old, either.

--Doug

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[FRIAM] The coffee grinder/maker head scratcher. Solution?

[Tom Johnson]

So thanks to all who responded to me query RE the quite-hard-to-remove
coffee grinding device.

Many speculated about the role of steam interacting with the device.
Seemed plausible, but the most logical and creative solution -- at least to
me -- came from Neil Bryant, who wrote:

*"BTW, the difference between a friction fit and a slip fit is on the order
of a thousandth of an inch. The basket *might* be easier to remove while
it's hot.*

*"And if it's an entirely metal basket, you *might* be able to 'fix' it by
baking it. An old boss of mine once took a set of bearing races we had made
that were just slightly out of spec and froze them overnight. I assumed
they'd warm up to their original size, but two or three of them shrunk just
the thousandth or so necessary to bring them back into spec. By boss was of
the opinion that drastically changing the temperature realigned their
molecules... I don't personally have an opinion on that *"

I put the grinding part in the freezer for 48 hrs.  Tried it again and,
after being exposed to the steam, I let it cool down for 12 hrs.  The
grinder did remove easily, but only for a day or two.  So I guess the
solution will be to remove, clean and freeze at least every two days.  But
I still can't figure out why Cuisinart says this thing won't work well at
altitude.

Thanks again,
Tom
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Stephen Guerin]

The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora
(doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though
I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well).

I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do
with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U.
Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic
trying to make a meeting or flight :-)

Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you?

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On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
> operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

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 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>> and LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>> and the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
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>>
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>> ==

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Sorry for not collecting all my responses up into one email, but I guess
that technically, I do have one more complaint about the Nexus 4: battery
life is somewhat reduced from having to run the push notifications fixer
app to nudge the phone awake every 5 minutes, for those occasions that the
buggy Qualcomm wifi driver has temporarily defeated the workaround
described here .


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Oh, and BTW:  Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>
>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>
>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>> short list.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>
>>> Doug --
>>>
>>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>>
>>>
>>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
>>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>>> but it didn't make it.
>>>
>>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>>
>>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>>
>>> -- rec --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

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 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>> Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier

 http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
 Nexus and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
 and the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
>>

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Oh, and BTW:  Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
> can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
> list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

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>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:

1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3

Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
list.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
> operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

 Page Views:
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 Resolution:
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 Total Visits:
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 IP Address:
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 Address]
 Referring URL:
 (No referring link)
 Visit Page:
  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>> and LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>> and the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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>
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> * 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Roger Critchlow]

Doug --

So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?


WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band)
and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which
would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same
time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of
cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that
specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.

My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
but it didn't make it.

There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.

So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
operated simultaneously with no problems?

-- rec --


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
> Browser:
> Firefox 18.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1280x800
> Total Visits:
> 15
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> Sounds like I.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>>> Browser:
>>> Chrome 25.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1440x900
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 11
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>> IP Address:
>>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>>> Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
 sheep of the cell phone flock.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
> and LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
> and the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>> * 
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 * 
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 505-672-8213 - Mobile*

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

Page Views:
1
Entry Page Time:
23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
Browser:
Firefox 18.0
OS:
MacOSX
Resolution:
1280x800
Total Visits:
15
Location:
Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
IP Address:
Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
Referring URL:
(No referring link)
Visit Page:
 things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html



On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
>>> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
 and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
 the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
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> * 
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> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> * 
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

Sounds like I.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
>> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
>>> LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
>>> the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

 --
 *Doug Roberts
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> * 
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>>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

Page Views:
1
Entry Page Time:
23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
Browser:
Chrome 25.0
OS:
MacOSX
Resolution:
1440x900
Total Visits:
11
Location:
Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
IP Address:
Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
Referring URL:
(No referring link)
Visit Page:
 things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
>> LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
>> the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
sheep of the cell phone flock.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
> LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
> the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>> * 
>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
  http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
.. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG
Nexus is?

The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the
Nexus line.

   -- Owen

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
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[FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

There, fixed that.

http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research

[Robert J. Cordingley]

Do you have prove US Citizenship to gain access?  (It says citizens with 
a small 'c'.)  Shouldn't one be?

Robert C

On 2/23/13 10:05 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Hey, it worked!  From midway down:

To that end, I have issued a memorandum today (.pdf)


 to
Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in
research and development expenditures to develop plans to make the
results of federally-funded research publically available free of
charge within 12 months after original publication. As you pointed
out, the public access policy adopted by the National Institutes
of Health has been a great success. And while this new policy call
does not insist that every agency copy the NIH approach exactly,
it does ensure that similar policies will appear across government.


   -- Owen

-- Forwarded message --
From: *The White House* >

Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Subject: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of 
Scientific Research

To: o...@backspaces.net 


The White House



Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research

/By Dr. John Holdren, Assistant to the President for Science and 
Technology and Director of the White House Office of Science and 
Technology Policy/


Thank you for your participation 
 
in the We the People platform. The Obama Administration agrees that 
citizens deserve easy access to the results of research their tax 
dollars have paid for. As you may know, the Office of Science and 
Technology Policy has been looking into this issue for some time and 
has reached out to the public on two occasions for input on the 
question of how best to achieve this goal of democratizing the results 
of federally-funded research. Your petition has been important to our 
discussions of this issue.


The logic behind enhanced public access is plain. We know that 
scientific research supported by the Federal Government spurs 
scientific breakthroughs and economic advances when research results 
are made available to innovators. Policies that mobilize these 
intellectual assets for re-use through broader access can accelerate 
scientific breakthroughs, increase innovation, and promote economic 
growth. That's why the Obama Administration is committed to ensuring 
that the results of federally-funded scientific research are made 
available to and useful for the public, industry, and the scientific 
community.


Moreover, this research was funded by taxpayer dollars. Americans 
should have easy access to the results of research they help support.


To that end, I have issued a memorandum today (.pdf) 
 
to Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in 
research and development expenditures to develop plans to make the 
results of federally-funded research publically available free of 
charge within 12 months after original publication. As you pointed 
out, the public access policy adopted by the National Institutes of 
Health has been a great success. And while this new policy call does 
not insist that every agency copy the NIH approach exactly, it does 
ensure that similar policies will appear across government.


As I mentioned, these policies were developed carefully through 
extensive public consultation. We wanted to strike the balance between 
the extraordinary public benefit of increasing public access to the 
results of federally-funded scientific research and the need to ensure 
that the valuable contributions that the scientific publishing 
industry provides are not lost. This policy 

[FRIAM] Fwd: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research

[Owen Densmore]

Hey, it worked!  From midway down:

To that end, I have issued a memorandum today
(.pdf)
to
Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in research
and development expenditures to develop plans to make the results of
federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12
months after original publication. As you pointed out, the public access
policy adopted by the National Institutes of Health has been a great
success. And while this new policy call does not insist that every agency
copy the NIH approach exactly, it does ensure that similar policies will
appear across government.


   -- Owen

-- Forwarded message --
From: The White House 
Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Subject: Petition Response: Increasing Public Access to the Results of
Scientific Research
To: o...@backspaces.net


** **
[image: The White House]


Increasing Public Access to the Results of Scientific Research

*By Dr. John Holdren, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology
and Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy*

Thank you for your
participationin
the We the People platform. The Obama Administration agrees that
citizens deserve easy access to the results of research their tax dollars
have paid for. As you may know, the Office of Science and Technology Policy
has been looking into this issue for some time and has reached out to the
public on two occasions for input on the question of how best to achieve
this goal of democratizing the results of federally-funded research. Your
petition has been important to our discussions of this issue.

The logic behind enhanced public access is plain. We know that scientific
research supported by the Federal Government spurs scientific breakthroughs
and economic advances when research results are made available to
innovators. Policies that mobilize these intellectual assets for re-use
through broader access can accelerate scientific breakthroughs, increase
innovation, and promote economic growth. That’s why the Obama
Administration is committed to ensuring that the results of
federally-funded scientific research are made available to and useful for
the public, industry, and the scientific community.

Moreover, this research was funded by taxpayer dollars. Americans should
have easy access to the results of research they help support.

To that end, I have issued a memorandum today
(.pdf)to
Federal agencies that directs those with more than $100 million in
research and development expenditures to develop plans to make the results
of federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12
months after original publication. As you pointed out, the public access
policy adopted by the National Institutes of Health has been a great
success. And while this new policy call does not insist that every agency
copy the NIH approach exactly, it does ensure that similar policies will
appear across government.

As I mentioned, these policies were developed carefully through extensive
public consultation. We wanted to strike the balance between the
extraordinary public benefit of increasing public access to the results of
federally-funded scientific research and the need to ensure that the
valuable contributions that the scientific publishing industry provides are
not lost. This policy reflects that balance, and it also provides the
flexibility to make changes in the future based on experience and evidence.
For example, agencies have been asked to use a 12-month embargo period as a
guide for developing their policies, but also to provide a mechanism for
stakeholders to petition the agency t