[FRIAM] A modest proposal
The two nuclear plants in CA, San Onofre and Diablo Canyon, produce about 4.5 GW together. Both are coastline installations vulnerable to seismic and tsunami activity. CA total electrical power plant capacity is about 33 GW . In 2010 t otal used capacity for 100% full operation was about 26 GW. If the nukes were decommissioned , the loss is not too large and would have to be covered by wheeling power from adjacent networks . Neighbor states would like this and so should C alifornians. Why not! Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA tel:(505)983-7728 - Original Message - From: friam-requ...@redfish.com To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:00:06 AM Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 93, Issue 15 Send Friam mailing list submissions to friam@redfish.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to friam-requ...@redfish.com You can reach the person managing the list at friam-ow...@redfish.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Friam digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (Russ Abbott) 2. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (lrudo...@meganet.net) 3. Re: Apocalypse in Japan (Alfredo Covaleda) ___ Friam mailing list Friam@redfish.com http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] A modest proposal
Oranges and Apples maybe? They're different technologies (BWR vs PWR). It does not appear that any of the current issues at Fukushima originated with the basic design, but were due to loss of supporting infrastructure (e.g., loss of grid power to the pumps, the wave washed out the diesel backups). It would be lot cheaper to harden the backup power and do various other safety mods.Eventually you'll want to retire the BWRs and PWRs because they'll become more expensive to operate than alternatives (including Gen IV nuclear and possibly other non-nuclear). I don't know how long it would take to the alternatives up and running but it has to get done before 2025 when the licenses for the current plants run out. Decommissioning one of these Gen II reactors is not just a matter of flipping a switch; it takes some years to happen (remember those nice spent fuel pools). See http://nrc.gov/reactors/advanced.html . Note that Hyperion is in Santa Fe (buy local!). On 3/16/11 1:11 PM, plissa...@comcast.net wrote: The two nuclear plants in CA, San Onofre and Diablo Canyon, produce about 4.5 GW together. Both are coastline installations vulnerable to seismic and tsunami activity. CA total electrical power plant capacity is about 33 GW. In 2010 total used capacity for 100% full operation was about 26 GW. If the nukes were decommissioned , the loss is not too large and would have to be covered by wheeling power from adjacent networks. Neighbor states would like this and so should Californians. Why not! Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA tel:(505)983-7728 - Original Message - From: friam-requ...@redfish.com To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:00:06 AM Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 93, Issue 15 Send Friam mailing list submissions to friam@redfish.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to friam-requ...@redfish.com You can reach the person managing the list at friam-ow...@redfish.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Friam digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (Russ Abbott) 2. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (lrudo...@meganet.net) 3. Re: Apocalypse in Japan (Alfredo Covaleda) ___ Friam mailing list Friam@redfish.com http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] A modest proposal
And lotsaluck in getting PGE -- the power company -- to pay for the decomissioning. -tj On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, plissa...@comcast.net wrote: The two nuclear plants in CA, San Onofre and Diablo Canyon, produce about 4.5 GW together. Both are coastline installations vulnerable to seismic and tsunami activity. CA total electrical power plant capacity is about 33 GW. In 2010 total used capacity for 100% full operation was about 26 GW. If the nukes were decommissioned , the loss is not too large and would have to be covered by wheeling power from adjacent networks. Neighbor states would like this and so should Californians. Why not! Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA tel:(505)983-7728 - Original Message - From: friam-requ...@redfish.com To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:00:06 AM Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 93, Issue 15 Send Friam mailing list submissions to friam@redfish.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to friam-requ...@redfish.com You can reach the person managing the list at friam-ow...@redfish.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Friam digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (Russ Abbott) 2. Re: Assistance sought: The meaning of constraints (lrudo...@meganet.net) 3. Re: Apocalypse in Japan (Alfredo Covaleda) ___ Friam mailing list Friam@redfish.com http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA www.analyticjournalism.com 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
