Re: [FRIAM] Lessig OccupyBoston

2011-10-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels

On 10/11/11 2:50 PM, glen wrote:

The point being that it's very difficult to take a principled stand.

Occupy Damascus-- yeah, that's a good way to die.

Marcus


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Re: [FRIAM] Lessig OccupyBoston

2011-10-11 Thread glen
ERIC P. CHARLES wrote circa 11-10-11 10:35 AM:
 If
 you want to hurt the evil corporations with their super-rich owners...
 stop giving them your money. Technologically, I thought some of the most
 interesting things about the Arab spring were all the creative ways
 protesters circumvented popular, corporate-run communication channels
 (in their case because the government shut down access). Surely it would
 be possible to do the same here if people really wanted to make a
 principled stand.

And on that note, I've finally dumped my Mastercard for Discover in
protest of MC's refusal to allow payments to Wikileaks.  I've switched
from T-Mobile to Cricket in the wake of T-Mobile's agreeing to be
acquired by ATT.  I'm moving my personal funds out of all banks and into
credit unions, getting rid of my Visa debit card in the process.  Etc.
[sigh] I'm convinced my actions will have zero effect.  I'm trading one
brand for another in most cases.  The point being that it's very
difficult to take a principled stand.

Anecdote: Awhile back, Renee' discovered she liked organic milk better
than ... what? ... regular milk?  pesticide-, hormone-laden, produce
from exploited, tortured animals?  Anyway, I also have a friend who is
convinced raw milk is much more healthy.  So, I'd been thinking about
milk for awhile.  (which is a bit gross for me... milk is just nasty,
almost as bad as mushrooms.)  In order to help her make her decisions
and try to figure out why some milk tastes better and lasts longer in
the fridge, I began trying to figure out where the actual milk comes
from for any given brand.  Of course, organic milk isn't any better
than any other type of milk because the label organic has been taken
over by shadowy networks of multinational corporations with armies of
marketing, scitech, and legal operatives ensconced in every institution.
(Although this site helps:
http://www.cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html)

I have similar anecdotes about ground beef, pre- and post-manufactured
sheds, portable radar speed signs, and commercial real estate.

-- 
glen


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Re: [FRIAM] Lessig OccupyBoston

2011-10-11 Thread Owen Densmore
One approach to Glen/Eric's observations is to take small steps that
actually help you too.

I'm having a terrible time with cellular phones.  I want a truly mobile
phone which implies GSM, not the weird non-standard american technologies.
 But ATT sucks and TMobile appears to be going out of business (Deutsche
Telekom, who owns TMobile wants to pull out of the US market.)

So I started looking into other alternatives and found a list of all
carriers in the US (Cricket is one of them, for example)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers

But I then stumbled into the MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) idea:
companies who buy wholesale quantities of cellular services from the big
guys and resell it to you for a reasonable price and personal service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_MVNO

I'm considering one of these.  The upside is that you can completely avoid
contracts.  You can also just buy the phone you want rather than having to
use whatever the telco wants you to use.  Yes this appears to be expensive,
but buying an unlocked phone easily pays for itself within the life of the
phone.

The main point is that steps towards independence can be made reasonably.
 One of the MVNO's for example specializes in supporting green energy.
 They're sorta micro industries that use the big guys tech but match your
needs better.

I hope we see a lot more like the MVNOs in other areas like credit cards,
paypal alternatives, and so on.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Lessig OccupyBoston

2011-10-11 Thread Steve Smith

A simple corollary question might be:

Why don't we find coop style services to compete with the 
multi-opoloies?   The main thing I know of in this nature is the Credit 
Union.  Are these truly regulated out of possibility by the 
lobby-interests?  Or are we just too lazy?  Or is it too hard to agree 
to do anything like this without a profit motive?


My candidates:

   Telecom services (esp. cellular)
   Insurance
   Gasoline (yes there are local coops related to the farming industry)
   Car Rental


One approach to Glen/Eric's observations is to take small steps that 
actually help you too.


I'm having a terrible time with cellular phones.  I want a truly 
mobile phone which implies GSM, not the weird non-standard american 
technologies.  But ATT sucks and TMobile appears to be going out of 
business (Deutsche Telekom, who owns TMobile wants to pull out of the 
US market.)


So I started looking into other alternatives and found a list of all 
carriers in the US (Cricket is one of them, for example)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers

But I then stumbled into the MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) 
idea: companies who buy wholesale quantities of cellular services from 
the big guys and resell it to you for a reasonable price and personal 
service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_MVNO

I'm considering one of these.  The upside is that you can completely 
avoid contracts.  You can also just buy the phone you want rather than 
having to use whatever the telco wants you to use.  Yes this appears 
to be expensive, but buying an unlocked phone easily pays for itself 
within the life of the phone.


The main point is that steps towards independence can be made 
reasonably.  One of the MVNO's for example specializes in supporting 
green energy.  They're sorta micro industries that use the big guys 
tech but match your needs better.


I hope we see a lot more like the MVNOs in other areas like credit 
cards, paypal alternatives, and so on.


   -- Owen



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