Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
Tattoos are like bodybuilding. They are refinement and elaboration, not backtracking. Tearing out some houses to put in high-rise apartment buildings or mass transit is backtracking, so the reactionaries get wound up about that. Frozen accidents form individual and group identity and can't be doubted -- way too big of a cognitive load.Faith is important as a distraction to genocidal behavior like manifest destiny. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 9:04 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America I agree. Ever since this: https://bookshop.org/p/books/from-transgender-to-transhuman-a-manifesto-on-the-freedom-of-form-martine-rothblatt/8478365?ean=9780615489421 I've been swayed that the reactionary stance of the JK Rowlings of the world look similar to that of the Trumpists (or Tea Party people). But the R in TERF is supposed to stand for "radical", right? People like Rowling don't seem that radical to me. So, I'd prefer if we use the R in TERF to stand for reactionary. (Now the NeoRx crowd like Yarvin and whatnot. They do seem radical, even though reactionary is in their name ... radical reactionary, maybe?) On a similar note, I notice both very "left" seeming people and very "right" seeming people are into tattoos. The number of tattoos these days is enough that they would have been called "radical" body modifiers in the past. But now, to be radical, you have to do even more than piercing ... like you have to install metal pieces under the skin, or engage in decorative scarring to be thought of as radical ... maybe CRISPR your genome or eat nothing but Soylent. IDK. I can't imagine any kind of radical anyone who wasn't pro-trans. But, again, it's a field, not a particle zoo. On 12/28/23 08:37, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It seems one informative interstitial space is populated by the TERFs. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:53 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America > > I thought about ... no, actually I crafted an entire post but deleted it ... > posting this in response to Roger's "good old sci fi" (GOSF) arc. It's a > fantastic TESCREAL narrative arc, reactive to such GOSF. And as allergic to > narrative as I am, I still think it's a good story: > > https://emilygorcenski.com/post/making-god/ > > Plus, they use one of my favorite words: apotheosis. I get a distinct scent > of the feminist critique of artificial life [⛧] in there, somewhere ... a > kind of cynical us versus them vibe. But it's a vibe with which I often > resonate. Like Diogenes, I believe truth is found in the gritty interstitial, > not the lofty isolate. > > [⛧] Aggressively expressed as: artificial life is the (white|privileged) > man's attempt to appropriate women's ability to rear children ... given that > this list is prolly mostly (white|privileged) men, I can't help but wonder if > any reaction to that concept is, would be, can be, authentic, including my > own. But it's a bit sexist. Many women are fantastic analysts and can cut it > up and isolate as well or better than any man. So the argument against > TESCREAL isn't actually sexist. It just so happens to be that those of us who > inhabit gritty, interstitial spaces recognize the phenomena better than those > of us well ensconced in our silos. > > > On 12/27/23 15:28, Steve Smith wrote: >> When we invented gods in our own image we did a bad job, I'm not sure we are >> doing any better with the AI? Please gods, not in Elon's image! But hope >> springs infernal. -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
I agree. Ever since this: https://bookshop.org/p/books/from-transgender-to-transhuman-a-manifesto-on-the-freedom-of-form-martine-rothblatt/8478365?ean=9780615489421 I've been swayed that the reactionary stance of the JK Rowlings of the world look similar to that of the Trumpists (or Tea Party people). But the R in TERF is supposed to stand for "radical", right? People like Rowling don't seem that radical to me. So, I'd prefer if we use the R in TERF to stand for reactionary. (Now the NeoRx crowd like Yarvin and whatnot. They do seem radical, even though reactionary is in their name ... radical reactionary, maybe?) On a similar note, I notice both very "left" seeming people and very "right" seeming people are into tattoos. The number of tattoos these days is enough that they would have been called "radical" body modifiers in the past. But now, to be radical, you have to do even more than piercing ... like you have to install metal pieces under the skin, or engage in decorative scarring to be thought of as radical ... maybe CRISPR your genome or eat nothing but Soylent. IDK. I can't imagine any kind of radical anyone who wasn't pro-trans. But, again, it's a field, not a particle zoo. On 12/28/23 08:37, Marcus Daniels wrote: It seems one informative interstitial space is populated by the TERFs. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:53 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America I thought about ... no, actually I crafted an entire post but deleted it ... posting this in response to Roger's "good old sci fi" (GOSF) arc. It's a fantastic TESCREAL narrative arc, reactive to such GOSF. And as allergic to narrative as I am, I still think it's a good story: https://emilygorcenski.com/post/making-god/ Plus, they use one of my favorite words: apotheosis. I get a distinct scent of the feminist critique of artificial life [⛧] in there, somewhere ... a kind of cynical us versus them vibe. But it's a vibe with which I often resonate. Like Diogenes, I believe truth is found in the gritty interstitial, not the lofty isolate. [⛧] Aggressively expressed as: artificial life is the (white|privileged) man's attempt to appropriate women's ability to rear children ... given that this list is prolly mostly (white|privileged) men, I can't help but wonder if any reaction to that concept is, would be, can be, authentic, including my own. But it's a bit sexist. Many women are fantastic analysts and can cut it up and isolate as well or better than any man. So the argument against TESCREAL isn't actually sexist. It just so happens to be that those of us who inhabit gritty, interstitial spaces recognize the phenomena better than those of us well ensconced in our silos. On 12/27/23 15:28, Steve Smith wrote: When we invented gods in our own image we did a bad job, I'm not sure we are doing any better with the AI? Please gods, not in Elon's image! But hope springs infernal. -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
It seems one informative interstitial space is populated by the TERFs. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:53 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America I thought about ... no, actually I crafted an entire post but deleted it ... posting this in response to Roger's "good old sci fi" (GOSF) arc. It's a fantastic TESCREAL narrative arc, reactive to such GOSF. And as allergic to narrative as I am, I still think it's a good story: https://emilygorcenski.com/post/making-god/ Plus, they use one of my favorite words: apotheosis. I get a distinct scent of the feminist critique of artificial life [⛧] in there, somewhere ... a kind of cynical us versus them vibe. But it's a vibe with which I often resonate. Like Diogenes, I believe truth is found in the gritty interstitial, not the lofty isolate. [⛧] Aggressively expressed as: artificial life is the (white|privileged) man's attempt to appropriate women's ability to rear children ... given that this list is prolly mostly (white|privileged) men, I can't help but wonder if any reaction to that concept is, would be, can be, authentic, including my own. But it's a bit sexist. Many women are fantastic analysts and can cut it up and isolate as well or better than any man. So the argument against TESCREAL isn't actually sexist. It just so happens to be that those of us who inhabit gritty, interstitial spaces recognize the phenomena better than those of us well ensconced in our silos. On 12/27/23 15:28, Steve Smith wrote: > When we invented gods in our own image we did a bad job, I'm not sure we are > doing any better with the AI? Please gods, not in Elon's image! But hope > springs infernal. -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
I thought about ... no, actually I crafted an entire post but deleted it ... posting this in response to Roger's "good old sci fi" (GOSF) arc. It's a fantastic TESCREAL narrative arc, reactive to such GOSF. And as allergic to narrative as I am, I still think it's a good story: https://emilygorcenski.com/post/making-god/ Plus, they use one of my favorite words: apotheosis. I get a distinct scent of the feminist critique of artificial life [⛧] in there, somewhere ... a kind of cynical us versus them vibe. But it's a vibe with which I often resonate. Like Diogenes, I believe truth is found in the gritty interstitial, not the lofty isolate. [⛧] Aggressively expressed as: artificial life is the (white|privileged) man's attempt to appropriate women's ability to rear children ... given that this list is prolly mostly (white|privileged) men, I can't help but wonder if any reaction to that concept is, would be, can be, authentic, including my own. But it's a bit sexist. Many women are fantastic analysts and can cut it up and isolate as well or better than any man. So the argument against TESCREAL isn't actually sexist. It just so happens to be that those of us who inhabit gritty, interstitial spaces recognize the phenomena better than those of us well ensconced in our silos. On 12/27/23 15:28, Steve Smith wrote: When we invented gods in our own image we did a bad job, I'm not sure we are doing any better with the AI? Please gods, not in Elon's image! But hope springs infernal. -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
the bolt pattern on the rims... 5 giant self-centering lug nuts were the standard for this class of truck well into the 50s. These rims are known as widowmakers... for good reason, surprisingly Garcia Tire still maintains a cage with mounting equipment inside to work on them with. I'm looking for modern replacements. But they will still have a 5 bolt pattern. I've been waiting for larger affordable "hub motors" to come out so I could quit tuning a 75 year old petrol burner and drop in the good sections of my 16kWh Chevy Volt battery I replaced when I bought it. Used (but still functional) solar panels are cheaper than plywood and a whole lot more water-proof. I could cover or clad the bed with those and collect enough photons for the 2-6 mile moves every week or two the art-platform concept suggests? The split-drive-shaft and two-speed rear-end with PTO setup is also a reasonable place to inline an EV-class motor for low-speed, short distances. Who knows? Locals should look for this pressed into some form of transient public art installation in Santa Fe by this summer. 'nuff of this careening ramble, - Sieve *From:*Friam*On Behalf Of*Roger Critchlow *Sent:*Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:28 AM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: [...] Really hoping the machines can take over soon. I just yesterday finished rereading all the Iain M Banks "Culture" novels in the Boston Public Library e-collection, seven between Halloween and Christmas. The "Culture" is a space-going far future civilization of organic life - humanoid and other - and of artificially sentient beings. The machine "Minds" pretty much run the infrastructure and economy while the organic beings party, study, travel, pursue dangerous hobbies, whatever. It's all post-scarcity, so everyone can pretty much have what they want. It sounds like the Culture "Minds" pretty much solved the dictatorship of the proletariat in the Culture's history. You raise dumb matter to sentience and let it sort everything out. The energy and matter of the tools that the proletarians used are even more prole than the proles. -- rec -- -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoomhttps://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIChttp://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru presenthttps://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoomhttps://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,DU7z2uQvyHZL-21UQctC4tilCpni3BRfpU3ee08WX0yh71zYa8Tt2N4BjyuFv1pDErsR552YigIF4AHsTdT8-qNSC9-NjfomzqqnMeoO8lHW1jLrA9p6AasAv911=1 <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,DU7z2uQvyHZL-21UQctC4tilCpni3BRfpU3ee08WX0yh71zYa8Tt2N4BjyuFv1pDErsR552YigIF4AHsTdT8-qNSC9-NjfomzqqnMeoO8lHW1jLrA9p6AasAv911=1> to (un)subscribehttps://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,xbqWKJ2uaID5KBRCTGzvXXU3lL_NOLFo4G8Cxdb4Cz33wXB08Y6CC9UWexEUnbIg0-BfslP4HnC2QIXBhgzTKyaMOgPW5Wr9ZoXGUZAIdaIESsrjQ70,=1 <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,xbqWKJ2uaID5KBRCTGzvXXU3lL_NOLFo4G8Cxdb4Cz33wXB08Y6CC9UWexEUnbIg0-BfslP4HnC2QIXBhgzTKyaMOgPW5Wr9ZoXGUZAIdaIESsrjQ70,=1> FRIAM-COMIChttps://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,jaKHf35c-bW5ykuXIO2XcfiAtU4mkccd-r5ZR1NHBgWVzIlzv4UWEW-wfq92OcEd5dbmM8wSS9b2BmnqnBDO3SviPEv0iY7lGOsCIX0-TSo8yu7-Qg,,=1 <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,jaKHf35c-bW5ykuXIO2XcfiAtU4mkccd-r5ZR1NHBgWVzIlzv4UWEW-wfq92OcEd5dbmM8wSS9b2BmnqnBDO3SviPEv0iY7lGOsCIX0-TSo8yu7-Qg,,=1> archives: 5/2017 thru presenthttps://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,j8wu9f7bDOIxHyaOEvUMiNAha_uVINpL7rEI0HMZBeZ2d7FRCvdc3PoGIyBe_TH8J_EDdOTFxm8ubXve12JtREFl-dtnJqltfH5BGpzIl5MIXw,,=1 <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,j8wu9f7bDOIxHyaOEvUMiNAha_uVINpL7rEI0HMZBeZ2d7FRCvdc3PoGIyBe_TH8J_EDdOTFxm8ubXve12JtREFl-dtnJqltfH5BGpzIl5MIXw,,=1> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
it was for our benefit. I wanted to send > her a Dark-Brandon one to round out the closet, but Mary thought she > might/not recognize the snark in it and either way it would be futile. > > Love of Pickup Trucks - I grew up with pickup-trucks as the best > value-versatility vehicle, usually the first/only for any family with 3 > little kids squeezed between mom and pop on the wide bench seat and > grandparents and older kids in the back in the slipstream of the cab sharing > a blanket. Camper shells/toppers didn't come into vogue until a few years > later, that made the back a little more hospitable. None came with power > steering, brakes, windows, AC, automatic transmissions that I knew of, and an > (AM) radio was a luxury... but no preset stations and a single speaker under > holes drilled in the (metal) dashboard. > > None of my own half-dozen pickup trucks have ever been "luxury" by > contemporary standards but as time progressed, all those power/automatic > features became *standard*, hard to avoid and the MSRP's went up and past > that of any compact and many sedans.Increasingly newer (none of mine were > newish much less new) and more capable (starting with AM/FM stereo and 4x4 > and extended (not double) cabs) with my latest being a 2002 diesel 4x4 (250k > miles) once converted to veggie oil. fryer oil became scarce for a while > but then at some point all the old hippies hoarding the stuff started trying > to give it away by the 55 gallon drum a few years ago. If they had sat in > the sunlight too long they probably had algae growth. Not good for > injectors. It is hard to keep the pumps, injectors, seals in good shape with > veggie instead of dino oil with/without alge... even if Rudolf Diesel (1858) > did design the first ones to run on peanut oil. I sure wish I'd not help > Reagan oust Jimmy in 1980! > > I'm not sure when pickups became self-indulgent luxury toys. I love/owned > motorcycles too. Same/Same. > > My 49 2.5 ton farm dump truck (mostly lawn ornament now but often used a > decade ago (by me) for woodchips, manure, firewood) is on it's way to > becoming (fingers crossed) Double Axle II, a second in the fleet of Axle Art > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.axleart.com%2f=E,1,FS7F1Uu_GNNCY8AuxjLHKCb8jyhRJTVcG8P5-8sd5bsdYZpcgBW6Nw28H-9qocZgDA6z3eGAgv7k-RS0r6t5iantmmN5kQbSvmApyj0vfpLYW6WjJaQowg,,=1> > projects. > > > > Current Treatment of Axle Contemporary Van > > scene, featuring the Ford F-6 model farm grain bed truck from the 1950s with > a yellow cab and red bed. .png> > > DALL-E has a strange sense of humor about a lot of things, including which > direction a dump-bed dumps!... my proposed performance art-project is called > "sequestering carbon, two cords of books at a time". > > Color scheme and body style are accurate, specific Patina and stenciling > entirely made up by DALL-E... many renderings offered. The only other > obvious inauthentic element is the bolt pattern on the rims... 5 giant > self-centering lug nuts were the standard for this class of truck well into > the 50s. > > These rims are known as widowmakers... for good reason, surprisingly Garcia > Tire still maintains a cage with mounting equipment inside to work on them > with. I'm looking for modern replacements. But they will still have a 5 > bolt pattern. > > I've been waiting for larger affordable "hub motors" to come out so I could > quit tuning a 75 year old petrol burner and drop in the good sections of my > 16kWh Chevy Volt battery I replaced when I bought it. Used (but still > functional) solar panels are cheaper than plywood and a whole lot more > water-proof. I could cover or clad the bed with those and collect enough > photons for the 2-6 mile moves every week or two the art-platform concept > suggests? The split-drive-shaft and two-speed rear-end with PTO setup is > also a reasonable place to inline an EV-class motor for low-speed, short > distances. Who knows? > > Locals should look for this pressed into some form of transient public art > installation in Santa Fe by this summer. > > 'nuff of this careening ramble, > > - Sieve > > >> >> From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> >> On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow >> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:28 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> <mailto:friam@redfish.com> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM Marcus Daniels > <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: &
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
What I saw on my trip were hundreds of late model giant pickup trucks jacked way up off the ground driving around 90mph with the usual markings. How do the proles afford them? Not yet post-scarcity. Hmm. From: Friam On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:28 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: [...] Really hoping the machines can take over soon. I just yesterday finished rereading all the Iain M Banks "Culture" novels in the Boston Public Library e-collection, seven between Halloween and Christmas. The "Culture" is a space-going far future civilization of organic life - humanoid and other - and of artificially sentient beings. The machine "Minds" pretty much run the infrastructure and economy while the organic beings party, study, travel, pursue dangerous hobbies, whatever. It's all post-scarcity, so everyone can pretty much have what they want. It sounds like the Culture "Minds" pretty much solved the dictatorship of the proletariat in the Culture's history. You raise dumb matter to sentience and let it sort everything out. The energy and matter of the tools that the proletarians used are even more prole than the proles. -- rec -- -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > [...] > > Really hoping the machines can take over soon. > > > I just yesterday finished rereading all the Iain M Banks "Culture" novels in the Boston Public Library e-collection, seven between Halloween and Christmas. The "Culture" is a space-going far future civilization of organic life - humanoid and other - and of artificially sentient beings. The machine "Minds" pretty much run the infrastructure and economy while the organic beings party, study, travel, pursue dangerous hobbies, whatever. It's all post-scarcity, so everyone can pretty much have what they want. It sounds like the Culture "Minds" pretty much solved the dictatorship of the proletariat in the Culture's history. You raise dumb matter to sentience and let it sort everything out. The energy and matter of the tools that the proletarians used are even more prole than the proles. -- rec -- -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
Up until a couple decades ago, the local bigots had a limited reach to the likeminded, such as at their church or Lion’s club, etc. Now they can find validation from each other at an international level using the internet. At their church, they might get some local policing by people with better emotional skills. Now, not so much. Even in the bluest of blue California, these folks are immediately available to grouse together on NextDoor. I drove back from Oregon today to the Bay Area through Northern California. Trump dominates these flyover areas. Giant signs with “Trump: A true national hero.”Another area around Lake Shasta has signs declaring the State of Jefferson. Eastern Oregon is like this too. Really hoping the machines can take over soon. From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America Merry Christmas from Berlin! It must be Farolitos time now in Santa Fe, right? Here in Berlin we have plenty of Christmas markets where you get hot mulled wine. At Christmas Eve I was in the "American Church of Berlin" which is over 120 years old. It was mostly empty though. While Donald Trump embodies the bad site of America - adultery, fraud, hate, lies, greed and the rest of the mortal sins - the church classically represents the good side of America: the selfless care for others, Christian values and the feeling that everybody is welcome. It is sad to see churches slowly dying out like the old lighthouses at the coast which showed ships the right way for centuries but are now turning into mere tourist attractions. Will democracy die out together with the churches too? This article about the last lighthouse keeper in the U.S. makes me wonder if president Biden will be the last keeper of democracy in America before the land falls into the darkness of a Trump dictatorship. What do you think? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/the-last-lighthouse-keeper-in-america -J. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
p.s. The pastor is a woman. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 7:17 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Jochen, > > We live across the street from the United Church of Santa Fe. It is a > member of the United Church of Christ denomination (UCC). A friend whose > father was a Presbyterian minister said that UCC informally means > "Unitarians Concerned with Christ". The point is that their beliefs are > universalist. > > Despite living so close to the church for 25+ years I have attended fewer > than five services there, including Joe Traub's funeral. After dinner on > Christmas Eve I impulsively said, "Why don't we go to the service at > 5:00?" That service was focused on children. Our group included my Jewish > wife, a Muslim granddaughter (7), and our daughter and son-in-law who are > Evangelical Christians. The latter have a daughter who is three. Our 11 > year old grandson says he has a relationship with God and he doesn't want > anyone to tell him what it should be. I am a fallen-away Presbyterian. > > It was a beautiful and well attended service. After the pastor told the > story that Franz Gruber discovered that his church's organ wouldn't play > because of damage caused by mice so he asked the organist to play a guitar > to accompany a poem that he, Gruber, had written. The result was the > Christmas carol "Silent Night". Then that moment was reiterated here by > the choir director playing that carol on his guitar while the congregation > sang. > > The point is that it was, by my lights, a lovely service. The church's > parking lot is filled to capacity every Sunday morning. > > I am optimistic but probably won't attend services there regularly. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 3:20 AM David Eric Smith > wrote: > >> I increasingly think the last keeper of democracy in the U.S. will be a >> black woman. Everybody else seems afraid. The perennial complaints about >> Neville Chamberlain come to mind. >> >> But still, best wishes for the New Year to you Jochen and to All. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> > On Dec 26, 2023, at 4:39 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: >> > >> > Merry Christmas from Berlin! It must be Farolitos time now in Santa Fe, >> right? Here in Berlin we have plenty of Christmas markets where you get hot >> mulled wine. At Christmas Eve I was in the "American Church of Berlin" >> which is over 120 years old. It was mostly empty though. >> > >> > While Donald Trump embodies the bad site of America - adultery, fraud, >> hate, lies, greed and the rest of the mortal sins - the church classically >> represents the good side of America: the selfless care for others, >> Christian values and the feeling that everybody is welcome. >> > >> > It is sad to see churches slowly dying out like the old lighthouses at >> the coast which showed ships the right way for centuries but are now >> turning into mere tourist attractions. Will democracy die out together with >> the churches too? >> > >> > This article about the last lighthouse keeper in the U.S. makes me >> wonder if president Biden will be the last keeper of democracy in America >> before the land falls into the darkness of a Trump dictatorship. What do >> you think? >> > >> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/the-last-lighthouse-keeper-in-america >> > >> > -J. >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,MfR7QY5u51Gek4F9oRb_H-rpZMkBj6daRnKfn-mPdVfgv1KCKR3uwkL-6pQSk9QZ2o6DH1O9z4veyG1ABO5_B_QnwteY8TmVGT8xbDorDUIX8haTKmNsCIZz=1 >> > to (un)subscribe >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,f2TWbvpGcjkqirB14icZsxL3RYnDEpqO0ZOQAX12e-05QcrhOncVBYD0HuGJtYyvLkyiAIfTPkEiLATEIIxAyoXbK0bwQgMG19N9ssSobFRcT6RdzdzLd6e5=1 >> > FRIAM-COMIC >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,ZJNM_l7mA-1WkFb0SoV7NPNkMmK44OPkHcAKeX3APz3xso8KqnPtL9saQI5WJZzUc21pad08IvlPyhPbhPbJEIH34UgyQT74CxPKP6EBUouiHZD3=1 >> > archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,12Fs6Aum0-Kg-G8oQHsrc9kqev9gb8kgkm5D13AtyVXeM750k0n4RndfXRe3ddOq3WHNZkPYn56KNAFyyGYI2DA4Tc-7AOwh43bDgLKWjq09ow,,=1 >> > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
Jochen, We live across the street from the United Church of Santa Fe. It is a member of the United Church of Christ denomination (UCC). A friend whose father was a Presbyterian minister said that UCC informally means "Unitarians Concerned with Christ". The point is that their beliefs are universalist. Despite living so close to the church for 25+ years I have attended fewer than five services there, including Joe Traub's funeral. After dinner on Christmas Eve I impulsively said, "Why don't we go to the service at 5:00?" That service was focused on children. Our group included my Jewish wife, a Muslim granddaughter (7), and our daughter and son-in-law who are Evangelical Christians. The latter have a daughter who is three. Our 11 year old grandson says he has a relationship with God and he doesn't want anyone to tell him what it should be. I am a fallen-away Presbyterian. It was a beautiful and well attended service. After the pastor told the story that Franz Gruber discovered that his church's organ wouldn't play because of damage caused by mice so he asked the organist to play a guitar to accompany a poem that he, Gruber, had written. The result was the Christmas carol "Silent Night". Then that moment was reiterated here by the choir director playing that carol on his guitar while the congregation sang. The point is that it was, by my lights, a lovely service. The church's parking lot is filled to capacity every Sunday morning. I am optimistic but probably won't attend services there regularly. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 3:20 AM David Eric Smith wrote: > I increasingly think the last keeper of democracy in the U.S. will be a > black woman. Everybody else seems afraid. The perennial complaints about > Neville Chamberlain come to mind. > > But still, best wishes for the New Year to you Jochen and to All. > > Eric > > > > > On Dec 26, 2023, at 4:39 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > > > Merry Christmas from Berlin! It must be Farolitos time now in Santa Fe, > right? Here in Berlin we have plenty of Christmas markets where you get hot > mulled wine. At Christmas Eve I was in the "American Church of Berlin" > which is over 120 years old. It was mostly empty though. > > > > While Donald Trump embodies the bad site of America - adultery, fraud, > hate, lies, greed and the rest of the mortal sins - the church classically > represents the good side of America: the selfless care for others, > Christian values and the feeling that everybody is welcome. > > > > It is sad to see churches slowly dying out like the old lighthouses at > the coast which showed ships the right way for centuries but are now > turning into mere tourist attractions. Will democracy die out together with > the churches too? > > > > This article about the last lighthouse keeper in the U.S. makes me > wonder if president Biden will be the last keeper of democracy in America > before the land falls into the darkness of a Trump dictatorship. What do > you think? > > > https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/the-last-lighthouse-keeper-in-america > > > > -J. > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,MfR7QY5u51Gek4F9oRb_H-rpZMkBj6daRnKfn-mPdVfgv1KCKR3uwkL-6pQSk9QZ2o6DH1O9z4veyG1ABO5_B_QnwteY8TmVGT8xbDorDUIX8haTKmNsCIZz=1 > > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,f2TWbvpGcjkqirB14icZsxL3RYnDEpqO0ZOQAX12e-05QcrhOncVBYD0HuGJtYyvLkyiAIfTPkEiLATEIIxAyoXbK0bwQgMG19N9ssSobFRcT6RdzdzLd6e5=1 > > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,ZJNM_l7mA-1WkFb0SoV7NPNkMmK44OPkHcAKeX3APz3xso8KqnPtL9saQI5WJZzUc21pad08IvlPyhPbhPbJEIH34UgyQT74CxPKP6EBUouiHZD3=1 > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,12Fs6Aum0-Kg-G8oQHsrc9kqev9gb8kgkm5D13AtyVXeM750k0n4RndfXRe3ddOq3WHNZkPYn56KNAFyyGYI2DA4Tc-7AOwh43bDgLKWjq09ow,,=1 > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p
Re: [FRIAM] The last Lighthouse Keeper in America
I increasingly think the last keeper of democracy in the U.S. will be a black woman. Everybody else seems afraid. The perennial complaints about Neville Chamberlain come to mind. But still, best wishes for the New Year to you Jochen and to All. Eric > On Dec 26, 2023, at 4:39 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > Merry Christmas from Berlin! It must be Farolitos time now in Santa Fe, > right? Here in Berlin we have plenty of Christmas markets where you get hot > mulled wine. At Christmas Eve I was in the "American Church of Berlin" which > is over 120 years old. It was mostly empty though. > > While Donald Trump embodies the bad site of America - adultery, fraud, hate, > lies, greed and the rest of the mortal sins - the church classically > represents the good side of America: the selfless care for others, Christian > values and the feeling that everybody is welcome. > > It is sad to see churches slowly dying out like the old lighthouses at the > coast which showed ships the right way for centuries but are now turning into > mere tourist attractions. Will democracy die out together with the churches > too? > > This article about the last lighthouse keeper in the U.S. makes me wonder if > president Biden will be the last keeper of democracy in America before the > land falls into the darkness of a Trump dictatorship. What do you think? > https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/06/the-last-lighthouse-keeper-in-america > > -J. > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam=E,1,MfR7QY5u51Gek4F9oRb_H-rpZMkBj6daRnKfn-mPdVfgv1KCKR3uwkL-6pQSk9QZ2o6DH1O9z4veyG1ABO5_B_QnwteY8TmVGT8xbDorDUIX8haTKmNsCIZz=1 > to (un)subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com=E,1,f2TWbvpGcjkqirB14icZsxL3RYnDEpqO0ZOQAX12e-05QcrhOncVBYD0HuGJtYyvLkyiAIfTPkEiLATEIIxAyoXbK0bwQgMG19N9ssSobFRcT6RdzdzLd6e5=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f=E,1,ZJNM_l7mA-1WkFb0SoV7NPNkMmK44OPkHcAKeX3APz3xso8KqnPtL9saQI5WJZzUc21pad08IvlPyhPbhPbJEIH34UgyQT74CxPKP6EBUouiHZD3=1 > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f=E,1,12Fs6Aum0-Kg-G8oQHsrc9kqev9gb8kgkm5D13AtyVXeM750k0n4RndfXRe3ddOq3WHNZkPYn56KNAFyyGYI2DA4Tc-7AOwh43bDgLKWjq09ow,,=1 > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
