Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
COULD, this article makes no specific claims. the chinese government COULD have a audio recording device hidden inside your asshole at this very moment. On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:09:53AM +1100, Ivan . wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
so what? It doesn't have to make specific ascertains. The fact of the matter is that government sponsored corporate/industrial espionage happens all the time. Echelon spy network revealed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/503224.stm Echelon: Government spying breeds business distrust http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,100308,2079881,00.htm Update: America uses Echelon to spy on Britain http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,100189,2079921,00.htm On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COULD, this article makes no specific claims. the chinese government COULD have a audio recording device hidden inside your asshole at this very moment. On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:09:53AM +1100, Ivan . wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
The assertions in the article and some of the comments in this thread sure look racist and xenophobic to me. Why is it more risky that a product is produced in China than if its made in Seattle, WA; Arlington, VA; Mexico City; London; or Berlin? The Chinese may have the skill and motivation to do this, but so does the USA, Russia, France, and most of the first world countries. You read about China breaking into US government computers, what you don't read about so much is the industrial espionage facilitated by Israeli and European governments to help firms within their countries to compete much less all of the spying the US does against the entire world. The risk is there, the risk may be higher with certain products and specific open source projects, but its there regardless of where the product is made. On top of that, a very large portion of the designers, engineers, and programmers for high-tech products made in the USA are foreign nationals. Why would the Chinese government need to slip a back door into a router where all they could do is pick up encrypted network traffic when instead they could turn a kernel programmer at Apple, Sun, or Microsoft and get a backdoor slipped into the encryption algorithms and the kernel itself? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
Gee Echelon is that not OLD news like news that is over 10 years old??? I remember hearing about echelon at the very least 10-11 years ago. -- Leif Ericksen On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 20:46 +1100, Ivan . wrote: so what? It doesn't have to make specific ascertains. The fact of the matter is that government sponsored corporate/industrial espionage happens all the time. Echelon spy network revealed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/503224.stm Echelon: Government spying breeds business distrust http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,100308,2079881,00.htm Update: America uses Echelon to spy on Britain http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,100189,2079921,00.htm On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COULD, this article makes no specific claims. the chinese government COULD have a audio recording device hidden inside your asshole at this very moment. On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:09:53AM +1100, Ivan . wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html they also pwned my toothpaste and gave me diarrhea :( :( :( H A C K E D B Y C H I N E S E, LOLOLOLOLOL titan rain is dark comedy at its finest! (( how many orgs / govs actually do due diligence and audit third party hardware / software / systems they purchase ?? )) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
wouldn't be the first time that National intelligence agencies have comprised IT gear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, coderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html they also pwned my toothpaste and gave me diarrhea :( :( :( H A C K E D B Y C H I N E S E, LOLOLOLOLOL titan rain is dark comedy at its finest! (( how many orgs / govs actually do due diligence and audit third party hardware / software / systems they purchase ?? )) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wouldn't be the first time that National intelligence agencies have comprised IT gear true; i just meant that an elaborate back door isn't even necessary when the front door lock can be bumped open (titan rain :) the athens affair is another fun example of the folly of running arbitrary and un tested / audited code on your infrastructure... http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/5280 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:51 PM, coderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html they also pwned my toothpaste and gave me diarrhea :( :( :( H A C K E D B Y C H I N E S E, LOLOLOLOLOL titan rain is dark comedy at its finest! (( how many orgs / govs actually do due diligence and audit third party hardware / software / systems they purchase ?? )) shut up coderman, this is actually a serious subject. there was even a .mil report about it that i spammed to the list a not long back :) no one paid attention though: http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4524.2780.0.0 http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38713dcn=todaysnews this is actually a serious subject i wanted securityfocus to cover but they ignored my e-mails! i also contacted cnet news at the time and they ignored my e-mails. pay attention to the security community next time! we're telling you things we want you to put in your news articles to send signals to the government but you ignore us. what's the point of this mailing list being here if the media won't work with the underground to send messages to the high ups in our corrupt governments? fuck the media! :) http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2007-December/058845.html http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2007-December/058850.html Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:33:09 + From: n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: Fwd: Report: Foreign Countries Develop U.S. Defense Systems Software Please can you publish this, America deserves to know how stupid Bush admin are. OK, we already knew how stupid they are, but please publish this cnet and securityfocus editors, its time to get the Bush admin and MI5 back for spewing all that anti-China propaganda to the media recently. Bush admin and MI5 are a bunch of incompetent bastards putting our national security at risk, how dare they put national security at risk by out sourcing its .mil software to the number 1 cyber enemy, CHINA. The truth comes out in the end!!! Its too LOL to be true. PUBLISH PUBLISH PUBLISH!!! The American people deserve to know the truth!! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
Typical media dramatization. No where in the article does it state that backdoors HAVE been found in router firmwares. Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota trunks On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota trunks And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing Contributing Editor, PC Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greets. It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be addressed, especially for western networks and those they trust. It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following fairly quick: http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/29/1642221.shtml If you want to be inundated with reading material on the matter, be creative, or not too creative, with Google searches having to do with China and western powers and businesses, specific to information warfare. .te Larry Seltzer wrote: | Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota | trunks | | And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. | Larry Seltzer | eWEEK.com Security Center Editor | http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing | Contributing Editor, PC Magazine | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | ___ | Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. | Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html | Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfPTUAACgkQVuM8PD1UnspxGwCfWA2YAcAk31lPkOeFUkOZm4ko a64AniF5C+KgjpfrAuxEkkW45BM+xpGZ =RwKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
there is also the case of fake Cisco routers etc doing the rounds. Whether these devices are back doored is anyones guess http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,100085,39284348,00.htm http://www.voipforyourbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=115Itemid=1 On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Times Enemy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greets. It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be addressed, especially for western networks and those they trust. It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following fairly quick: http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/29/1642221.shtml If you want to be inundated with reading material on the matter, be creative, or not too creative, with Google searches having to do with China and western powers and businesses, specific to information warfare. .te Larry Seltzer wrote: | Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota | trunks | | And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. | Larry Seltzer | eWEEK.com Security Center Editor | http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing | Contributing Editor, PC Magazine | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | ___ | Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. | Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html | Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfPTUAACgkQVuM8PD1UnspxGwCfWA2YAcAk31lPkOeFUkOZm4ko a64AniF5C+KgjpfrAuxEkkW45BM+xpGZ =RwKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
Why stop at routers switches? You could own far more devices by backdooring BIOS', HDD's, etc, all of which are often produced in Far East countries. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Times Enemy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greets. It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be addressed, especially for western networks and those they trust. It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following fairly quick: http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/29/1642221.shtml If you want to be inundated with reading material on the matter, be creative, or not too creative, with Google searches having to do with China and western powers and businesses, specific to information warfare. .te Larry Seltzer wrote: | Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota | trunks | | And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. | Larry Seltzer | eWEEK.com Security Center Editor | http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing | Contributing Editor, PC Magazine | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | ___ | Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. | Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html | Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfPTUAACgkQVuM8PD1UnspxGwCfWA2YAcAk31lPkOeFUkOZm4ko a64AniF5C+KgjpfrAuxEkkW45BM+xpGZ =RwKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
I dont think they have http://www.hqlaptops.com/hard-drives/infected-seagate-hard-drives http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2007/11/11/2003387202 On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM, quispiam lepidus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why stop at routers switches? You could own far more devices by backdooring BIOS', HDD's, etc, all of which are often produced in Far East countries. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Times Enemy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greets. It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be addressed, especially for western networks and those they trust. It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following fairly quick: http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/29/1642221.shtml If you want to be inundated with reading material on the matter, be creative, or not too creative, with Google searches having to do with China and western powers and businesses, specific to information warfare. .te Larry Seltzer wrote: | Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota | trunks | | And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. | Larry Seltzer | eWEEK.com Security Center Editor | http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing | Contributing Editor, PC Magazine | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | ___ | Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. | Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html | Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfPTUAACgkQVuM8PD1UnspxGwCfWA2YAcAk31lPkOeFUkOZm4ko a64AniF5C+KgjpfrAuxEkkW45BM+xpGZ =RwKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. I agree, that the threat does not stop at firmware for routers and switches. Even with open source, or dare i type, even more so with open source, the threat for maliciously modified code exists. This is not a new threat, per se, however, it is a growing threat which is fed by more and more hardware being built/assembled/manufactured/what-have-you in questionable countries/locations. This is not isolated to the far east, though the far east is a perfectly legitimate location for western users to NOT trust. I would venture to state that eastern users have already accepted that their products may have gone 1984 on them. It does not give me warm fuzzies that the way the vast majority of production appears, at least one part of most gizmos comes through the far east. Without question, a security concern. .te quispiam lepidus wrote: | Why stop at routers switches? You could own far more devices by | backdooring BIOS', HDD's, etc, all of which are often produced in Far East | countries. | | | On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Times Enemy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Greets. | | It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router | firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. | ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be | addressed, especially for western networks and those they trust. | | It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following | fairly quick: http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/29/1642221.shtml | | If you want to be inundated with reading material on the matter, be | creative, or not too creative, with Google searches having to do with | China and western powers and businesses, specific to information warfare. | | .te | | | Larry Seltzer wrote: | | Next we'll be seeing Japanese tactical nukes Hidden in Toyota | | trunks | | | | And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. | | Larry Seltzer | | eWEEK.com Security Center Editor | | http://security.eweek.com/ http://security.eweek.com/ | | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ | | http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Contributing | | Contributing Editor, PC Magazine | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfPXWkACgkQVuM8PD1UnspGaACeIRRRYubyJOSXuWSwQdoLyqlJ A1EAnAtBAlGyGIXOMk3OyEcHhpRi+hdN =jaFt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quoting PC Pro article: SecureTest believes spyware could be easily built into Asian-manufactured devices such as switches and routers, providing a simple backdoor for companies or governments in the Far East to listen in on communications. It seems someone in this security company read Breakpoint, by Richard A. Clarke, stole his thoughts and is making claims without any proof products were actually backdoored just to gain some media attention. - -- Julio Cesar Fort Recife, PE, Brazil www.rfdslabs.com.br - computers, sex, human mind, music and more. PGP public key: http://www.rootshell.be/~sandimas/juliocesarfort.gpg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHz1W9ySo2QtzTl10RAiRSAJwNx65oWpGDRZ4sMazHm14wrM3/dgCeLzGt Z0o6vSOdqbis9kLkM8Bce4s= =cnbG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any time left for them to plant well hidden backdoors. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Ivan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- Houston, we have a problem. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:38:27 +0800, Jerome Jar said: Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any time left for them to plant well hidden backdoors. But that's the proof right there - the reason *why* they have so much trouble getting the damned things to work is because they have to work around the backdoors in the device... ;) pgpv7tEvWbD76.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:38:27 +0800, Jerome Jar said: Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any time left for them to plant well hidden backdoors. But that's the proof right there - the reason *why* they have so much trouble getting the damned things to work is because they have to work around the backdoors in the device... ;) Before we blow this off with a good laugh we should all remember the back doors in other network gear. Even so-called core equipment (anyone remember the backdoor into the [Nortel] Shasta (later known as BSN 5000)? Assuming that any unaudited gear has a backdoor is just common sense. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors hidden in router firmware
OK, only if hidden backdoors are also part of their function specs... I have friends in a router manufacturer. Besides basic functionalities that a router must have, they usually have to deal with some ridiculous requirements from customers. Mmmm, I also start to suspect the customers *want* their backdoors ;-) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:38:27 +0800, Jerome Jar said: Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any time left for them to plant well hidden backdoors. But that's the proof right there - the reason *why* they have so much trouble getting the damned things to work is because they have to work around the backdoors in the device... ;) -- Houston, we have a problem. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
