Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
I could use a blow. Simon, you are welcome to use my couch. On second thought, nevermind. The sort of douche who would ask for lifestyle advice on an alleged "security" mailing list which consists almost entirely of trolls and computer illiterates probably couldn't use my couch without hurting himself. Besides, I'd just bruise your palate. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Anders Klixbull wrote: > Learn how to blow old men and live on their couches > > > > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon > Garfinkle > Sent: 1. marts 2010 05:50 > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, > etc? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello. > > I am interested in getting some advice from you security professionals > (white hat and black hat) about going underground. > > I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience the > world and have no commitments. > > I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for people > to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free and foot > loose. > > You gotta be underground. > > Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0 > > wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ > E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM > FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM > gJrMvYw= > =ii33 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
I guess you can follow what he did http://amix.dk/blog/post/19493 . I just want you to know that unless you leave the country it's going to be hard to get off big brothers radar. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Anders Klixbull wrote: > Learn how to blow old men and live on their couches > > > > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon > Garfinkle > Sent: 1. marts 2010 05:50 > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, > etc? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello. > > I am interested in getting some advice from you security professionals > (white hat and black hat) about going underground. > > I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience the > world and have no commitments. > > I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for people > to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free and foot > loose. > > You gotta be underground. > > Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0 > > wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ > E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM > FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM > gJrMvYw= > =ii33 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- http://www.miami-criminallaw.com/practice-areas/cyber-crimes -- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
Learn how to blow old men and live on their couches -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Garfinkle Sent: 1. marts 2010 05:50 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello. I am interested in getting some advice from you security professionals (white hat and black hat) about going underground. I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience the world and have no commitments. I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for people to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free and foot loose. You gotta be underground. Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM gJrMvYw= =ii33 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
If its not, it should be. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, NOC wrote: > On 3/1/10 8:30 AM, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" > wrote: > > ... Giardia out in the woods is a horrid > > way to die a slow death. > > Giardia, isn't that the new shopping mall restaurant chain? > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
On 3/1/10 8:30 AM, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" wrote: > ... Giardia out in the woods is a horrid > way to die a slow death. Giardia, isn't that the new shopping mall restaurant chain? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:49:57 GMT, Simon Garfinkle said: > Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? Hit up one of the survivalist websites or magazines, look for info on living off the land. Learn bowhunting - a rifle tends to draw attention outside the local hunting season. Read up on how the Appalachian Trail through-hikers handle being on a trail for 6 months. Oh - and get a decent water filter. Giardia out in the woods is a horrid way to die a slow death. pgp6VZiGSBPo5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
Simon: What you need is a constant source of income. I suggest you study TAO Spam (more than just inboxing, mind you.) You will need an anonymous corporation for fund intake. You will want a business bank account. You will want to transfer the funds that come into your account into electronic cash. You will want to mix this cash about. You will want to lose and create these companies often. Expect to take a 35% (conservative figure) hit on all profit for exchange services. Be sure to know your way around high quality printing and photoshop. Have a large database of Water & Electric bills. Invest in a lamination machine. Invest in a magstrip writer & logger, invest in a smartcard season logger/reader/writer. Learn how to solder. Learn how to do fast-low cost fabrication. Acquaint yourself with prepaid visa gift cards and e-cash debit cards. Acquaint yourself with online (re-)mailing services. Dispose of all digital equipment you already own and buy new kit with prepaid visa gift cards or cash. Perform activations at wifi spots, don't make the mistake of being in the view of security cameras. Remove their batteries. Relocate and disappear. Do not contact friends and family. If you operate online do not use a constant pseudonym. -Travis On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote: > Start by not touching any kind of digital device. You wouldn't know how many > chinese have put tracking/spy bugs inside them. Or how many modified NSA > backdoors, for the matter. > Using a PC probably increases risk by 1000%. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Simon Garfinkle wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello. >> >> I am interested in getting some advice from you security >> professionals (white hat and black hat) about going underground. >> >> I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience >> the world and have no commitments. >> >> I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for >> people to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free >> and foot loose. >> >> You gotta be underground. >> >> Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Charset: UTF8 >> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify >> Version: Hush 3.0 >> >> wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ >> E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM >> FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM >> gJrMvYw= >> =ii33 >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- FD1D E574 6CAB 2FAF 2921 F22E B8B7 9D0D 99FF A73C http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=tbiehn&op=index&fingerprint=on http://pastebin.com/f6fd606da ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
Start by not touching any kind of digital device. You wouldn't know how many chinese have put tracking/spy bugs inside them. Or how many modified NSA backdoors, for the matter. Using a PC probably increases risk by 1000%. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Simon Garfinkle wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello. > > I am interested in getting some advice from you security > professionals (white hat and black hat) about going underground. > > I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience > the world and have no commitments. > > I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for > people to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free > and foot loose. > > You gotta be underground. > > Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0 > > wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ > E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM > FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM > gJrMvYw= > =ii33 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Going "underground", living out of backpack, etc?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello. I am interested in getting some advice from you security professionals (white hat and black hat) about going underground. I am sick of big brother, I love independence, I was to experience the world and have no commitments. I am just sick of being held down in one place. It's too easy for people to harass and stalk you. You gotta be mobile. Fancy free and foot loose. You gotta be underground. Have any advice for living out of a bag? Any stories? Any lessons? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wpwEAQMCAAYFAkuLR3UACgkQRQnwIcxK0rKdJwP9Fbv4ENsN+ouzbn34owsypykpL00+ E1qCZBwZGD4EJ5QK6PKdyR3kc33hOOasqaWn+HQVX1OtdKa/bXwWCJw3b3bEbImPHHoM FSfO7mJsrifYsufZcXtgRgFOI3KA7W+cN1DHncawcBf5/7CNKrjXSVi2NewLsp7beFlM gJrMvYw= =ii33 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
