Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
Danny wrote: The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. Insecure replied: Even when the Secret Service admits that they took over the site and put up their own page, you don't believe it? Must be nice to have such blind faith in the integrity of your government enforcement agencies. Duh... I don't know whether it's you folks who doomed us to another 4 years of hell trying to justify your own blind faith or what, but it's time you all woke up to reality. Good Morning America! Our government is no more (as) ethical as any other country. Whether it is our agents murdering a South American dictator we don't happen to like, or our agents defacing a cracker's site, it happens. Obviously you slept through the weeks of cyberwar our (paid) hackers fought with China's (paid) hackers after they downed our jet a while back. It was China who finally called a truce in their official press. Sorry to give you people the bad news, but Bambi died a while ago. It's the wild west in 1800 and there is no law. If you want to survive, you better have a hired gun and we go for $300/hour these days. At least those of us who have met the black hat on main street at 50 paces at high noon and walked away to tell about it. Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions - If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity zar Richard Clarke ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2004 01:22:25 PM: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. Wait, wait...are you really saying that website defacement is stooping too low for the feds? Surely you were saying that with tongue firmly in cheek, right? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This is a transmission from Kohl's Department Stores, Inc. and may contain information which is confidential and proprietary. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copying or distribution or use of the contents of this message is expressly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please destroy it and notify us immediately at 262-703-7000. CAUTION: Internet and e-mail communications are Kohl's property and Kohl's reserves the right to retrieve and read any message created, sent and received. Kohl's reserves the right to monitor messages by authorized Kohl's Associates at any time without any further consent.
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:23:52 -0600, Curt Purdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny wrote: The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. Insecure replied: Even when the Secret Service admits that they took over the site and put up their own page, you don't believe it? Must be nice to have such blind faith in the integrity of your government enforcement agencies. Duh... I don't know whether it's you folks who doomed us to another 4 years of hell trying to justify your own blind faith or what, but it's time you all woke up to reality. Good Morning America! Our government is no more (as) ethical as any other country. Whether it is our agents murdering a South American dictator we don't happen to like, or our agents defacing a cracker's site, it happens. Obviously you slept through the weeks of cyberwar our (paid) hackers fought with China's (paid) hackers after they downed our jet a while back. It was China who finally called a truce in their official press. Sorry to give you people the bad news, but Bambi died a while ago. It's the wild west in 1800 and there is no law. If you want to survive, you better have a hired gun and we go for $300/hour these days. At least those of us who have met the black hat on main street at 50 paces at high noon and walked away to tell about it. 1) I am not a US citizen, nor do I live in a US state, and quite frankly, I would be scared to live in a country under the control of George W. Bush. 2) Yes, it was difficult to tell that I was kidding, but notice the end of my email ...D is also a big smile. 3) I can count to three. Yippeee ...D ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
this stuff is totally real to the max. my cousin's former roomate's neighbor's uncle jessie once worked for the secret service and he told me it's completely standard protocol to have the mission impossible theme in the background. also the strike tag is used exclusively by the secret service. From: Curt Purdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Insecure' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Danny' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:23:52 -0600 Danny wrote: The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. Insecure replied: Even when the Secret Service admits that they took over the site and put up their own page, you don't believe it? Must be nice to have such blind faith in the integrity of your government enforcement agencies. Duh... I don't know whether it's you folks who doomed us to another 4 years of hell trying to justify your own blind faith or what, but it's time you all woke up to reality. Good Morning America! Our government is no more (as) ethical as any other country. Whether it is our agents murdering a South American dictator we don't happen to like, or our agents defacing a cracker's site, it happens. Obviously you slept through the weeks of cyberwar our (paid) hackers fought with China's (paid) hackers after they downed our jet a while back. It was China who finally called a truce in their official press. Sorry to give you people the bad news, but Bambi died a while ago. It's the wild west in 1800 and there is no law. If you want to survive, you better have a hired gun and we go for $300/hour these days. At least those of us who have met the black hat on main street at 50 paces at high noon and walked away to tell about it. Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions - If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity zar Richard Clarke ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:21:01 -0800, josh abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this stuff is totally real to the max. my cousin's former roomate's neighbor's uncle jessie once worked for the secret service and he told me it's completely standard protocol to have the mission impossible theme in the background. also the strike tag is used exclusively by the secret service. The strike tag is used on microsoft frontpage editor, which the secret service used for shadowcrew.com, and every other microsoft frontpage user across the world will use the strike tag when using microsoft frontpage editor, so I don't know what you mean when you use the word exclusively used by secret services. Thanks,n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:36:58 - (UTC), Nick I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/29/operation_firewall/print.html http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2004/0,4814,97017,00.html http://news.com.com/2102-7348_3-5431419.html?tag=st.util.print Thanks, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. ...D ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
I don't believe the SS would modify someone else's website. Hard to believe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Waller Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:57 PM To: n3td3v Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service? http://marketwatch-cnet.com.com/Secret+Service+busts+online+ID+fraud+rin g/2100-7348_3-5431419.html?tag=nl On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html -- John Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
What do you think? http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/October/04_crm_726.htm We all knew they were doing fake IDs and the such..it was only time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service? The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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http://www.securityfocus.com/news/9866 I have seen nothing stating that this is a spoof. On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 04:58:46PM +, n3td3v wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html -- I believe that Ronald Reagan will someday make this country what it once was ... an arctic wilderness -- Steve Martin pgpsRtAm30Bpx.pgp Description: PGP signature
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http://marketwatch-cnet.com.com/Secret+Service+busts+online+ID+fraud+ring/2100-7348_3-5431419.html?tag=nl On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html -- John Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
And everybody who goes there will have their ip address logged (unless you use someone elses' proxy server) So, if the secret service 0wn!z this box, they also 0wn! the logs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service? The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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n3td3v wrote: http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-5431419.html Quite real. It occurred at the end of October. Cheers, Anders. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:50:45 -0500, Esler, Joel - Contractor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the SS would modify someone else's website. Hard to believe. Indeed, I was baffled on visiting the site. I wasn't aware it was normal SS policy to replace/deface whatever you want to call it, with the charges brought against a site and stuff. I thught the SS would just shut the whole domain name and server down altogether, so its unreachable from the internet. I've never seen anything like it before. I'm wondering if the SS have changed policy or weather a malicious script kiddie who wasn't a fan of the site has decided to mimic the SS as taking the site over, after reading of the SS taking actions against the people responisble for the site, without the SS taking the site down at the same time, so perhaps a script kiddie decided to do it for them, to be smart? Seems unlikely, but yeah, its a possibility. Thanks, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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Danny wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:58:46 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. The Secret Service, or any other government enforcement agency would not condone, promote, or participate in website defacement activities. I know some of you have little faith in these agencies, but, one thing is for sure, they would never stoop this low. ...D ___ Even when the Secret Service admits that they took over the site and put up their own page, you don't believe it? Must be nice to have such blind faith in the integrity of your government enforcement agencies. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] controversial shadowcrew site hacked by secret service?
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:50:45 -0500, Esler, Joel - Contractor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe the SS would modify someone else's website. Hard to believe. Isonews.com anyone? :P ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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This is real. The secret service busted several people including the admin of shadowcrew in Operation Firewall and replaced the home page with one that they thought was humorous. It wasnt a hack per se, but needless to say shadowcrew is out of commission, and the secret service is is possession of all the data that was on the server. The Secret Service has put out press releases and is openly talking about this bust. I saw a presentation on it at the Houston Secret Service Electronic Crimes Task Force meeting last week. Cheers, Travis On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, n3td3v wrote: The site which was hosting services, like bombs, fake ID and other terrorist stuff is now showing a defacement or replacement page showing words from the intelligence services. http://www.shadowcrew.com Is this fake or real? Who knows.. Thanks, n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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OT (slightly), but a statement in the News.com[1] story is incorrect. It states that In August, the U.S. Department of Justice made arrests in five states on charges of criminal copyright infringement in an action dubbed Operation Digital Gridlock... (middle of 4th paragraph). No arrests were made in those 5 states. In fact, no charges had even been filed yet. (The story linked[2] from the text arrests in five states even states this fact.) The linked story is also full of blatant lies and misconstrued facts, not to mention incomplete. (A brief comment I made isn't included, plus a multitude of other actual facts. Search for other AP articles of the same story to see the missing information.) But that's a whole different fight. As most know, the media can't be trusted to get the story correct most of the time. Just a FYI or for the record for those who keep track. I'm writing the author about this, hoping for a correction. No, I'm not holding my breath. Fight for your rights. [1] - http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-5431419.html [2] - http://news.com.com/Justice+Dept.+probes+for+pirates/2100-1032_3-5323904.html -- Peace. ~G On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:13:48 +, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:36:58 - (UTC), Nick I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/29/operation_firewall/print.html http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2004/0,4814,97017,00.html http://news.com.com/2102-7348_3-5431419.html?tag=st.util.print Thanks, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
