Re: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Durant


  Why do they believe this? First, explicit evolutionary thinking can
  sometimes eliminate certain kinds of errors in thinking about behavior
  (Symons, 1987).
 
 Evolutionary theory is only intended to explain how living organisms
 evolve.
 Applying it to any other field of inquiry puts you on VERY shaky ground.
 
 It's presently being used to predict primate (human) behavior.
 Although it's politically incorrect, it's scientifically true.
 


primate and human behaviour is not the same, so such research
is not scientific.

Eva


 Jay
 
 
 
 
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RE: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-28 Thread Eva Durant

I'm glad there are people who can compose more
concisely...Eva



 Why do they believe this? First, explicit evolutionary thinking can
 sometimes eliminate certain kinds of errors in thinking about behavior
 (Symons, 1987). 
...

and so on.

Evolutionary theory is only intended to explain how living organisms evolve.
Applying it to any other field of inquiry puts you on VERY shaky ground.


*** Regards, Dave Palmer  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-28 Thread Jay Hanson

- Original Message -
From: Eva Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why do they believe this? First, explicit evolutionary thinking can
 sometimes eliminate certain kinds of errors in thinking about behavior
 (Symons, 1987).

Evolutionary theory is only intended to explain how living organisms
evolve.
Applying it to any other field of inquiry puts you on VERY shaky ground.

It's presently being used to predict primate (human) behavior.
Although it's politically incorrect, it's scientifically true.

Jay






Re: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-28 Thread Mike Hollinshead

Jay,

It is no more scientifically true than that the sun and planets revolve
around the earth.

What is really funny is that Darwin purloined his principle of selection
through competition from classical economics, from Malthus in fact.  So you
take the dog eat dog mythology of early capitalism and apply it to biology
and then "prove" that hierarchical social systems are evolutionarily
determined because evolutionary biology proves it to be so.  Tosh.  It is a
tautology from beginning to end. (As is the Darwinian "Theory" of
Evolution, but that is another story).

for those who would like the fine print of the argument see Richard
Lewontin (a biologist who can actually think rather than merely
regurgitate) Biology as Ideology.  It was one of the Massey Lectures and
can be sourced at the the CBC's website under the program Ideas.

Mike H

  - Original Message -
From: Eva Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why do they believe this? First, explicit evolutionary thinking can
 sometimes eliminate certain kinds of errors in thinking about behavior
 (Symons, 1987).

Evolutionary theory is only intended to explain how living organisms
evolve.
Applying it to any other field of inquiry puts you on VERY shaky ground.

It's presently being used to predict primate (human) behavior.
Although it's politically incorrect, it's scientifically true.

Jay






Re: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-28 Thread Jay Hanson

- Original Message -
From: Mike Hollinshead [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It is no more scientifically true than that the sun and planets revolve
around the earth.

What is really funny is that Darwin purloined his principle of selection
through competition from classical economics, from Malthus in fact.  So you
take the dog eat dog mythology of early capitalism and apply it to biology
and then "prove" that hierarchical social systems are evolutionarily
determined because evolutionary biology proves it to be so.  Tosh.  It is a
tautology from beginning to end. (As is the Darwinian "Theory" of
Evolution, but that is another story).

Hierarchy -- not hierarchical social systems -- has been observed in all
social primates.  And in dogs, cats, lions, etc.   I suppose on another
planet things might look different, but here on earth, primates are
genetically predisposed to hierarchy.

Hierarchy empirically true -- it's everywhere -- the birds do it, the bees
do it, the aardvarks do it, the Green Bay Packers do it, etc.

Jay





for those who would like the fine print of the argument see Richard
Lewontin (a biologist who can actually think rather than merely
regurgitate) Biology as Ideology.  It was one of the Massey Lectures and
can be sourced at the the CBC's website under the program Ideas.

Mike H

  - Original Message -
From: Eva Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why do they believe this? First, explicit evolutionary thinking can
 sometimes eliminate certain kinds of errors in thinking about behavior
 (Symons, 1987).

Evolutionary theory is only intended to explain how living organisms
evolve.
Applying it to any other field of inquiry puts you on VERY shaky ground.

It's presently being used to predict primate (human) behavior.
Although it's politically incorrect, it's scientifically true.

Jay







Re: (Fwd) HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY (fwd)

1999-01-28 Thread Jay Hanson

- Original Message -
From: Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

primate and human behaviour is not the same, so such research
is not scientific.

Evolutionary scientists include humans unless stated otherwise.
Scientists are using the theory of evolution to predict human behavior:

-

Third, and most important, the theory of evolution can be used to help
scholars and scientists develop substantive testable predictions about human
behavior. Cosmides (1989) used it to make predictions about content effects
in logical reasoning. Silverman and Eals (1992) used it to make predictions
about gender differences in spatial abilities. Singh (1993) used it to make
predictions about preferences for body images. Buss (1994) used it to make
predictions about gender differences in mate choice criteria and tactics for
acquiring mates. Orians and Heerwagen (1992) used it to make predictions
about evoked responses to landscapes. Several chapters in Part III of this
book discuss recent research in which various aspects of evolutionary theory
were used to derive testable predictions about human behavior.
[pp. 8-10]

HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY:
Ideas Issues and Applications, Eds. Charles Crawford  Dennis Krebs;
Lawrence Erlbaum, 1998 http://www.erlbaum.com/2621.htm