Re: Problems with the new detection of IOCCC/Traditional move method

2003-08-10 Thread Olivier Chapuis
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:28:43PM +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
 Here I demonstrate some bad problems with the current move/placement
 methods. I use TiledCascadePlacement, but this should not matter here.
 I know that xv was always problematic, but I see this with some other
 programs too. (And there were good workarounds for xv previously.)
 
 1) Run:
 
   xv -geo 1500x1500 pictures/fvwm-logo-steelblue.gif
 
 Part of the image is out of the screen, because the title is fully
 visible, previously the image was fully visible and the title was
 out of the screen. Additionally, click right mouse and double click
 the file name, the window walks to the right (can't go down here).
 
 Press n several times to see it walking right-down.
 

Note first that I have not xv on my machine (xv has disappeared from
some distributions as Redhat and Mandrake). You should try:

  Style match_xv MoveByProgramMethod IgnoreGravity
or
  Style match_xv MoveByProgramMethod UseGravity

However, maybe the ICCCM/Traditional move method can be improved: Do
not make any conclusion for window which are larger than the screen.
 
 [snip]
 
 4) Run display from ImageMagick:
 
   display
 
 Then press right mouse and choose Image Info, this window is placed
 partially out of the screen.


It does not seems that this is related to the new ICCCM/Traditional
move stuff. For me this depends on the position of the main display
window (if it is at top left then the transient image info pop up on
my screen).  I think it is a Transient Windows placement problem (or
miss-feature).

Regards, Olivier
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Re: Problems with the new detection of IOCCC/Traditional move method

2003-08-10 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 10 Aug 2003 14:44:57 +0200, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
 
 On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:28:43PM +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
  Here I demonstrate some bad problems with the current move/placement
  methods. I use TiledCascadePlacement, but this should not matter here.
  I know that xv was always problematic, but I see this with some other
  programs too. (And there were good workarounds for xv previously.)
  
  1) Run:
  
xv -geo 1500x1500 pictures/fvwm-logo-steelblue.gif
  
  Part of the image is out of the screen, because the title is fully
  visible, previously the image was fully visible and the title was
  out of the screen. Additionally, click right mouse and double click
  the file name, the window walks to the right (can't go down here).
  
  Press n several times to see it walking right-down.
  
 
 Note first that I have not xv on my machine (xv has disappeared from
 some distributions as Redhat and Mandrake).

Any of these should work:

  http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=xvarch=i386

 You should try:
 
   Style match_xv MoveByProgramMethod IgnoreGravity
 or
   Style match_xv MoveByProgramMethod UseGravity
 
 However, maybe the ICCCM/Traditional move method can be improved: Do
 not make any conclusion for window which are larger than the screen.

I know that I (and everyone else) should use IgnoreGravity for xv,
otherwise it walks, but I thought the autodetection may be improved.
I agree with your remark about large windows.

It seems that the placement of the 7 xv tool windows was always
problematic (just checked 2.2 and 2.4, for some reason I thought these
windows were fully on the screen previously, but they were not).

  [snip]
  
  4) Run display from ImageMagick:
  
display
  
  Then press right mouse and choose Image Info, this window is placed
  partially out of the screen.
 
 
 It does not seems that this is related to the new ICCCM/Traditional
 move stuff. For me this depends on the position of the main display
 window (if it is at top left then the transient image info pop up on
 my screen).  I think it is a Transient Windows placement problem (or
 miss-feature).

After more experiments, yes, display does not try to place its transient
aligned to some screen border as I originally thought, these were just
coincidences in my test cases. The same happens with any 2.x version.

Regards,
Mikhael.
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Re: FVWM: FvwmButtons Panel binding to keystroke

2003-08-10 Thread Remko Troncon
 Would be easier to have a keyboard shortcut to retract/contract the panel
 than having to move my mouse and click.

That isn't possible yet. I'm also interested in this feature, and was
planning to implement it one day if nobody else had yet, but i didn't have 
any time so far.

cheers,
Remko
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Re: FVWM: FvwmButtons Panel binding to keystroke

2003-08-10 Thread S. Anderson
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0200, Remko Troncon wrote:
  Would be easier to have a keyboard shortcut to retract/contract the panel
  than having to move my mouse and click.
 
 That isn't possible yet. I'm also interested in this feature, and was
 planning to implement it one day if nobody else had yet, but i didn't have 
 any time so far.

I think the following will do what you want, but you will need to
modify it to suit your needs...

have fun...

DestroyFunc SeeFunc
AddToFunc SeeFunc
  + I All ($0) Raise
  + I All ($0) AnimatedMove +0 +0

DestroyFunc HideFunc
AddToFunc HideFunc
  + I All ($0) Lower
  + I All ($0) AnimatedMove -100 -100

DestroyFunc SeeHideFunc
AddToFunc SeeHideFunc
  + I All ($0 !Sticky)   HideFunc $0
  + I All ($0 Sticky)SeeFunc  $0
  + I All ($0) Stick

key f12 A A SeeHideFunc xclock
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Re: FVWM: Two fvwm-2.4.16 window placement questions

2003-08-10 Thread Olivier Chapuis
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 05:34:06PM -0400, Phil Stracchino wrote:
 Running with fvwm-2.4.16 on Linux, gtk-gnutella-0.92 consistently starts
 up with its titlebar 3/4 of the way off the top edge of the screen.
 I've tried Style NoPPosition without any effect.  Clearly some kind of
 hinting on gtk-gnutella's part is incorrect; any ideas what I can do to
 tell fvwm2 to Do The Right Thing here?
 

Style name_which_match_your_gnutella NoPPosition, NoUSPosition

With 2.5.7 you may try to add FixedPPosition. 

 
 Also, I use Style * RandomPlacement, SmartPlacement, ...  in my fvwm2
 configuration.  95% of the time, this does what I intend.  However,
 fvwm2 refuses to place a window over an icon unless specifically
 directed to do so by -geometry.  This frequently results in it placing a
 new window over an open window instead, because there isn't room to
 place the window NOT covering an existing window without covering icons
 instead, and given the choice, it seems to perversely prefer covering
 windows to covering icons.  How can I tell fvwm2 that it's OK to place
 windows over icons, but not over regular windows?


I suggest you upgrade to 2.5.7 and use the following styles:

MinOverlapPlacement or MinOverlapPercentPlacement

then you can use the

MinOverlapPlacementPenalties or  MinOverlapPercentPlacementPenalties 

styles to control various convering factor (e.g., ignore icons).

Regards, Olivier
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FVWM: help me with sessions to set it up

2003-08-10 Thread Potapov
Dear Sir,

I use

FVWM version 2.4.16 compiled on Aug 10 2003 at 12:12:21
with support for: Stroke, XPM, GNOME WM hints, Shape, SM, Xinerama

but, it seems nothing to happen when I activate function ``SaveSession'' or 
``SaveQuitFunction''.

thanks in advance

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