Re: More complex menu schortvuts
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 12:17:09AM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:
> Dan Espen wrote:
> > Dominik Vogt writes:
> What about
>
>+ FvwmConsole §{f1} ...
>
> Or is '§' used anywhere in the menu syntax? I think not but I am not sure.
> Also the curly brackets looks more intuitively than parentheses (for me).
No, it's not used, but unfortunately the § sign is usually only
found on german keyboards.
Ciao
Dominik ^_^ ^_^
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Dominik Vogt
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
Dan Espen wrote:
> Dominik Vogt writes:
>
>> Recently I find it annoying that hotkeys in menus can only be
>> simple characters because of the menu item syntax, e.g.
>>
>> + &FvwmConsole ToggleFvwmConsole
>> ^^^
>>
>> I'd like to extend the hotkey logic so that it also works with
>> moulti character key names like "f1" and possibly sequences like
>> "ctrl-shift-space". The code to allow this whoould be mostly
>> there already, so the question of syntax remains.
>>
>> One option would be to somehow extend the existing syntax to allow
>> longer key sequences, e.g.
>>
>> + FvwmConsole &(f1) ...
>>
>> (resulting in "FvwmConsole _f1_"), which might break existing
>> menus. ANother option might be to add a separate hotkey menu
>> command, e.g.
>
> Seems to me like the above is the simplest and most intuitive solution.
> I doubt we have a lot of existing menus using "(" as a short cut.
> It's not real easy to use a shifted key as a shortcut key.
What about
+ FvwmConsole §{f1} ...
Or is '§' used anywhere in the menu syntax? I think not but I am not sure.
Also the curly brackets looks more intuitively than parentheses (for me).
Thomas
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
Hello, On 30/06/13 20:31, Dominik Vogt wrote: Actually, what I have in mind is page switching. Consoles can be switched with Alt-F. I've configured the same in fvwm. On my 3x2 desktop, the top three pages are selected with Alt-F1/2/3 and the bottom three pages are selected with Alt-1/2/3. I also have menu items "Put on page (0/1 0/1/2)" in the window menu, and I'd like to also use the keys F1/2/3 and 1/2/3 to move the window to the corresponding page. At the moment this is not possible With the common pc-104 or pc-105 keyvoard It seems natural to page switch and move windows on 3x2 desktops like this: #-- # Navigate to a different page. Key Insert A CMS GoToPage 0 0 Key Home A CMS GoToPage 1 0 Key Prior A CMS GoToPage 2 0 Key Delete A CMS GoToPage 0 1 Key End A CMS GoToPage 1 1 Key Next A CMS GoToPage 2 1 #-- # Move window to a different page. Key Insert A CMS4 MoveToPage 0 0 Key Home A CMS4 MoveToPage 1 0 Key Prior A CMS4 MoveToPage 2 0 Key Delete A CMS4 MoveToPage 0 1 Key End A CMS4 MoveToPage 1 1 Key Next A CMS4 MoveToPage 2 1 I've been using xmodmap to map MOD4 to the "Windows" key for a long time. --Tapio
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 05:53:39PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > Another idea might be to simply allow keys when a menu is open to act like > a typeahead search; the more keys you press, the closer to match you get, > and at each stage, matched items are highlighted in the menu, etc. Actually, what I have in mind is page switching. Consoles can be switched with Alt-F. I've configured the same in fvwm. On my 3x2 desktop, the top three pages are selected with Alt-F1/2/3 and the bottom three pages are selected with Alt-1/2/3. I also have menu items "Put on page (0/1 0/1/2)" in the window menu, and I'd like to also use the keys F1/2/3 and 1/2/3 to move the window to the corresponding page. At the moment this is not possible. In other words: A typeahead search wouldn't solve this problem. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
Thomas Adam writes: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 05:42:51PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: >> Recently I find it annoying that hotkeys in menus can only be >> simple characters because of the menu item syntax, e.g. >> >> + &FvwmConsole ToggleFvwmConsole >> ^^^ >> >> I'd like to extend the hotkey logic so that it also works with >> moulti character key names like "f1" and possibly sequences like >> "ctrl-shift-space". The code to allow this whoould be mostly >> there already, so the question of syntax remains. >> >> One option would be to somehow extend the existing syntax to allow >> longer key sequences, e.g. >> >> + FvwmConsole &(f1) ... >> >> (resulting in "FvwmConsole _f1_"), which might break existing >> menus. ANother option might be to add a separate hotkey menu >> command, e.g. >> >> + FvwmConsole (f1) ... >> AddMenuItemHotKey f1 >> >> The hotkey would be merged into the previously defined menu item. >> I cannot say that either option looks good to me. Can anybody >> think of a cleaner or more natural way to define hotkeys, possibly >> recuycling the syntax of the "Key" command? > > Another idea might be to simply allow keys when a menu is open to act like > a typeahead search; the more keys you press, the closer to match you get, > and at each stage, matched items are highlighted in the menu, etc. Aggh. no! Actually lots of my menus are heavily short-cutted. I'd don't think I'd get very far in a search term before one the options would be selected. Even a menu without short cuts accepts vi-keys for cursor movement. -- Dan Espen
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
Dominik Vogt writes:
> Recently I find it annoying that hotkeys in menus can only be
> simple characters because of the menu item syntax, e.g.
>
> + &FvwmConsole ToggleFvwmConsole
> ^^^
>
> I'd like to extend the hotkey logic so that it also works with
> moulti character key names like "f1" and possibly sequences like
> "ctrl-shift-space". The code to allow this whoould be mostly
> there already, so the question of syntax remains.
>
> One option would be to somehow extend the existing syntax to allow
> longer key sequences, e.g.
>
> + FvwmConsole &(f1) ...
>
> (resulting in "FvwmConsole _f1_"), which might break existing
> menus. ANother option might be to add a separate hotkey menu
> command, e.g.
Seems to me like the above is the simplest and most intuitive solution.
I doubt we have a lot of existing menus using "(" as a short cut.
It's not real easy to use a shifted key as a shortcut key.
--
Dan Espen
Re: More complex menu schortvuts
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 05:42:51PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote:
> Recently I find it annoying that hotkeys in menus can only be
> simple characters because of the menu item syntax, e.g.
>
> + &FvwmConsole ToggleFvwmConsole
> ^^^
>
> I'd like to extend the hotkey logic so that it also works with
> moulti character key names like "f1" and possibly sequences like
> "ctrl-shift-space". The code to allow this whoould be mostly
> there already, so the question of syntax remains.
>
> One option would be to somehow extend the existing syntax to allow
> longer key sequences, e.g.
>
> + FvwmConsole &(f1) ...
>
> (resulting in "FvwmConsole _f1_"), which might break existing
> menus. ANother option might be to add a separate hotkey menu
> command, e.g.
>
> + FvwmConsole (f1) ...
> AddMenuItemHotKey f1
>
> The hotkey would be merged into the previously defined menu item.
> I cannot say that either option looks good to me. Can anybody
> think of a cleaner or more natural way to define hotkeys, possibly
> recuycling the syntax of the "Key" command?
Another idea might be to simply allow keys when a menu is open to act like
a typeahead search; the more keys you press, the closer to match you get,
and at each stage, matched items are highlighted in the menu, etc.
-- Thomas Adam
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