Happy New Year!
Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then BACK UP YOUR DATA Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html SuperDuper! http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe Buffy. Or maybe - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dana Collins wrote: On 1/1/10 11:26 AM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then BACK UP YOUR DATA Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html SuperDuper! http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe Buffy. Or maybe - Dan. Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended - avoid Buffy (after all, one wants two steps forward without the one step back ;-) esp. today. Happy New Year, Dana Happy New Year All I recommend starting the year with a review of the Tarantino flicks and Queen on fire.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended I'm one of those who is waiting to see David Tennant's last appearance as the Doctor. Hopefully sometime later today or tomorrow ... Other than that ... guess I'll go walk some dogs and hopefully eat some free food at a party I've been invited to crash later tonight. On the whole a better New Years day than some I've spent. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
Here is my contribution for all to have a happier New Year. It is the procedure I have used to ensure management of decent back up of an active master file. I'm using a DP 533 MHz G4 DA with 1.5 MB RAM and currently with a 40 GB internal HD installed as a boot drive. I am a retired IBM Main Frame programmer/systems analyst from 1960 to 1991. During that time I was responsible for data base creation and maintenance, data and software management, development and design for many systems. It was axiomatic that we seldom used the word if but used the word when hard drives would crash or tapes would fail. Part of every production cycle included performance backups on a daily or multi-daily schedule. This what I have done and do to keep myself in an even keel as regards to losing data and software on an online Mac using OS 10.4.11. Processing in one's home is certainly less stringent as hard drives have long since replaced tapes and the quality and longevity of hard drives today is like the improvement of a superbly running four cylinder engine in a 2009 car as compared to the four cylinder installed in a Model A Ford circa 1929. Nevertheless, the word if should never replace the word when when contemplating the possibility of a hard drive failure when that hard drive is one's master hard drive. Accordingly this is what I do: 1- I have several external HDs mounted in external cases with their own power supply. They are connected via One of those HDs is partitioned while the others are not 2- At least once a week I use the 'backing up everything' option in CCC to back up my internal master HD to the external HD. 3- After CCC completes, I use the disk utility to repair the external HD and then Repair Disk Permissions on the external HD. 4- Then I use System Preference to select the external HD as the start up HD and restart. 5- After a successful boot using the back up external hard drive, I use the disk utility to repair the internal HD and then Repair Disk Permissions in the internal HD. 6- Then I date stamp the external hard drive with the date of the back up. 7- I then move the external HD icon to trash and shut it down. I do these chores while doing other things such as mail or making input to an ancient IIci which I've used off line since late 1989 or early 1990. [Note: I use similar procedures for backing up the internal hard drive on the IIci to one or more external hard drives. I also use SMART utility to monitor my internal master hard drive. Once every quarter, I rotate my external hard drive with another mounted in its own external case and replace it. Once a year (or sooner) I replace my master internal HD with another and date stamp the replaced hard drive. The above might sound like a lot of extra work but it is like a scheduled brushing and flossing of one's electronic teeth, in the one instance tending to preserve one's teeth and in the other instance actually preserving ones data and software and thereafter resting more easily. Mel --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Happy New Year! To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 10:00 AM On 1/1/10 11:26 AM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then BACK UP YOUR DATA Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html SuperDuper! http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe Buffy. Or maybe - Dan. Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended - avoid Buffy (after all, one wants two steps forward without the one step back ;-) esp. today. Happy New Year, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. $400. for 32 MB Ram for my Quadra 650. That was on sale at Fry's.$49.00 for 4 GBs on my MBP. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:10 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:26, Dan wrote: Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then BACK UP YOUR DATA Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html SuperDuper! http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe Buffy. Or maybe - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list What are you happy about ? YOUR TAX'S are due; you have until APRIL 15 to PAY Enjoy have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:10 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things clean. I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?), so I am wondering what to expect, i.e. * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Thanks in advance for any illumination. Regards, and Happy New Year, Dana -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the dough for the Seritek 1V4 card I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. However I have found I like Tiger better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB partition with Leopard and CCC for backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
BACK UP YOUR DATA Decided today was going to be the day that I start my back up procedure for my G4 IM so excited Do it TODAY. Don't Delay! JUST DO IT. I just did. Kind of. I am in the process of copying over the files. 1,212,803 files I'm really hating computers and computer stuff these days, but I feel like a heroin addict -- gotta quit but...can't. Thats how I feel sometimes but like a heroin addict we just cant stop!!! Happy new year, all, and I hope yours will be better than mine. Happy New Years to all!!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the dough for the Seritek 1V4 card I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. However I have found I like Tiger better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB partition with Leopard and CCC for backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Just be careful those TB drives have low power consumption? of course you've got a 600w power supply... and yes, time machine is only on the A slot (upper). If it wasn't for screen sharing I'd go back to tiger. I bought a 1TB drive last year and all was good till I needed to wipe the hummer with zeroes.. took a long time... also if one goes down, that's a lot of info to retrieve. I guess if the price drops, I'll reconsider my options. Then again, maybe it'll be mac pro time! J -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptor
On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:30 PM, themargate...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I made some modifications in Open firmware, allowing the onboard ATA controller to access the full 320gb hard drive and using carbon copy cloner replicated my OS X hard drive and booted from it using the onboard ATA to make sure the hard drive wasn't a dud, the drive worked brilliantly. Can anyone out there help me out in my situation? Many thanks Sam Walker PowerMac G4 Quicksilver, Powerbook G4 Al, and iMac Intel user What modifications did you do? I want to do this... (: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Only have a 500 GB drive on it not much room for dual boot. I did dual boot on a 40 GB o.o -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptor
Followed the instructions here, it says its for a G4 cube but worked just fine for my Quicksilver http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptor
On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, themargate...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Followed the instructions here, it says its for a G4 cube but worked just fine for my Quicksilver http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/ Glad it worked for you I tried it on two TiBook 500s and no dice. 160 drive only read 128. I must have typed those strings 20 times before I gave up and installed a 120GB drive. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On 1/1/10 3:29 PM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? Time Machine adds your changed files to its database on that drive, and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an incremental save set. It does not update the previously stored data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT produce a bootable system (clone). (remember the days when that spec was regarded as incredible?) $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. - Dan. Thanks, Dan, and thanks to Jeffrey and John for chiming in also - most helpful, thanks! $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD I remember feeling real good about *only* spending approx. $300 for a 12 Mb RAM upgrade for my IIvx :-) -Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptojavascript:;r
Sam , you have to make sure you are using the correct Acard firmware and driver to match your operating system. If you go here... http://www.acard.com/english/fc0101.jsp?prodno=AEC-6280M and look at that list you will see that for 10.4 you need driver vers. 2.0.6 and firmware 2.16. Thats if you are using 10.4. I'm unsure whether you are intending to use 10.5.8 as you say that is on one of the other drives. I didn't see anything about using this card with 10.5 so you may be out of luck. Also if you expand the more option from the driver description , point d) may help. Version:2.0.6 a. First release of Universal Binary driver for Mac OS X 10.4 b. Supports hard disk drive capacity upto 2T (1999G) c. Supports AV-Optimizer utility d. Supports firmware update under Mac OS X 10.4 (must boot from the HDD which is not connected to AEC62x0M) Stewie Subject: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptor From: themargate...@tiscali.co.uk Many thanks Sam Walker _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-hotmail-is-here -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Where OS 9 needs to be..?
I have a B/W, upgraded with an XLR8 G4 zif, which is running from an IDE drive that used to reside in my old Beige G3 desktop. In that previous computer OS X had to be installed on the first drive partition and I had two smaller ones which each had a version of OS 9. All those partitions were bootable in the Beige. Now that this drive has moved to the B/W the OS 9 partitions are not bootable. I have come across the information that the latter G3's require OS 9 to be on the first partition. Luckily the B/W came with a 12Gb IDE drive and I put OS 9 on that, and it is bootable. Recently I purchased a 1rpm scsi drive and ATTO card (you've read about that experience here ;-) and I managed to get it working almost satisfactorily. I made 2 partitions on the SCSI drive and put a copy of my OS 9.2.2 from the IDE drive there, and Tiger on the second partition. This system 9 runs as Classic under Tiger just fine. Tiger is bootable, but why this isn't OS 9? Is the above information about which system has to be in the first partition different on IDE vs SCSI drives in the G3 line? I did the boot up from the OS 9 installer disk and remove the system 9 from the system folder on the hard drive, than put it back in trick. Didn't help. Broos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where OS 9 needs to be..?
On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Bruce Godfrey wrote: Is the above information about which system has to be in the first partition different on IDE vs SCSI drives in the G3 line? I did the boot up from the OS 9 installer disk and remove the system 9 from the system folder on the hard drive, than put it back in trick. Didn't help. The trick is to pull the system 'breifcase' out of the system folder and put it back -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Which G?
I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi video and use current web browser features; seems like time for something more. A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora, GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until that's easy to do). Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing for more years). With that as background: (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on which OS is most useable with each processor? (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non- technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth considering instead? (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next several years? (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? I'm eager for your feedback-- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi video and use current web browser features; seems like time for something more. A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora, GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until that's easy to do). Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing for more years). With that as background: (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on which OS is most useable with each processor? (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non- technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth considering instead? (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next several years? (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? I'm eager for your feedback-- I recommend an iMac G4 or a Mac Mini. I wouldnt go with an iMac G5 because of how inefficient the G5 chip is. A G3 900MHz iBook wouldn't be too bad either if you can find one for a good price. My first Mac was a 333MHz iMac G3 (a little older then your iBook actually.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi video and use current web browser features; seems like time for something more. A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora, GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until that's easy to do). Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing for more years). With that as background: (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on which OS is most useable with each processor? (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non- technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth considering instead? (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next several years? (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? I'm eager for your feedback-- I recommend an iMac G4 or a Mac Mini. I wouldnt go with an iMac G5 because of how inefficient the G5 chip is. A G3 900MHz iBook wouldn't be too bad either if you can find one for a good price. My first Mac was a 333MHz iMac G3 (a little older then your iBook actually.) I own about one of every model made and if I could only have one it would be my G4 MDD dual 1.0 2GB 10.4.11 with a Cinema display and iSight cam. And for a PowerBook my MBP 2.4 4GB 10.5.8 but that's just me. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
I completely agree with John! My MDD DP 1GHZ is fantastic! I wouldn't go with a G3 ibook any newer than the clamshell. After that they had bad video chips and all sorts of stuff that will go wrong. I've had two G3 iBooks go bad: a G3/700MHZ 14 and a G3/800 12. Both went with Motherboard and video issues, and eventually DEATH. -Jonas On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi video and use current web browser features; seems like time for something more. A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora, GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until that's easy to do). Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing for more years). With that as background: (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on which OS is most useable with each processor? (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non- technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth considering instead? (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next several years? (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? I'm eager for your feedback-- I recommend an iMac G4 or a Mac Mini. I wouldnt go with an iMac G5 because of how inefficient the G5 chip is. A G3 900MHz iBook wouldn't be too bad either if you can find one for a good price. My first Mac was a 333MHz iMac G3 (a little older then your iBook actually.) I own about one of every model made and if I could only have one it would be my G4 MDD dual 1.0 2GB 10.4.11 with a Cinema display and iSight cam. And for a PowerBook my MBP 2.4 4GB 10.5.8 but that's just me. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where OS 9 needs to be..?
Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Bruce Godfrey wrote: Is the above information about which system has to be in the first partition different on IDE vs SCSI drives in the G3 line? I did the boot up from the OS 9 installer disk and remove the system 9 from the system folder on the hard drive, than put it back in trick. Didn't help. The trick is to pull the system 'breifcase' out of the system folder and put it back I said it did that, or at least I tried to. Didn't work. Broos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 1:17 AM, John Carmonne wrote: The only thing I really miss on those is Skype You can use Skype on these old G3 Macs. The final G3 version was 2.6.0.148 You can download it at: http://mac.oldapps.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
