Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
On 1/10/10 8:09 PM, Michael G.M. wrote: Needing some suggestions or options for stacking HDDs in G3 and G4 PowerMacs that didn't come with the double-stack sleds. If there's any other ways or options for this other than the sleds (which I'll get from ebay's otherwise) I'd really, really like to know. Michael here's what you can do. The tools you need: 2 Broken CD/DVD drives. Anything that can bond metal together Something that cuts metal A drill Some screws ...you must have an idea of where I'm going with this. You will remove the internals of the drive. All you'd need is the metal plates below. You will find that the bottom metal on the optical drive is larger than the HD, and also longer. Place the HD inside the metal, measure it and cut out the parts you don't need. You will drill holes on the sides of bottom metal. You may only need one side of two screws. Do same with the other bottom plate. Put them together, use scrap metal to bond them on the side without the screws. You would have drilled a hole on one of the bottom metal that matchs with the original hole in the machine. Screw that now into the G4. You'd have made yourself a double HD installer. I understand the need for this because it's hard to have the HDs spread around the base of a G4...getting that ribbon cable to fit is so much pain. Goodluck, careful with scrap metal. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
On 1/10/10 11:06 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: Since my desktops don't move around much and I'm a bit of a cowboy when it comes to things like hard drive swaps I don't much mind that it's loose in there. I did this for a while too, except you tend to forget they are in there loose. And something drops, or you have a tight space you need the ports behind...you drag the machine a bit to rough, and an HD could become problematic...falling off, head grinding the wrong way etc, none of this has happened to me...just got worried about what might happen. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:32 AM, Nestamicky wrote: I did this for a while too, except you tend to forget they are in there loose. And something drops, or you have a tight space you need the ports behind...you drag the machine a bit to rough, and an HD could become problematic...falling off, head grinding the wrong way etc, none of this has happened to me...just got worried about what might happen. Heh, drives are more rugged then that (or they should be anyway.) I dropped a hard drive off my desk and its still running OK. Thats a lot more distance than a computer case. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
What you can do is call Paypal and tell them to set your account to automatically sweep any available funds to your bank account at the end of each day. You set up a bank account just for use with Paypal and then run down and withdraw the money or transfer it to another account that they don't have access to as soon as it posts so they can't reclaim it if they think there is a problem. You have to tell your bank, though, that you don't want to allow any overdrafts to take place on the Paypal account or else if a request comes through when the account is empty they might honor it then hit you with an overdraft fee. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
At 7:09 PM -0800 1/10/2010, Michael G.M. wrote: Needing some suggestions or options for stacking HDDs in G3 and G4 PowerMacs that didn't come with the double-stack sleds. Data is like gas. It expands to fill all available space! YA! If there's room, I try to fill it! heh. A proper carrier is best, but in a pinch -- I use cardboard separators between the drives, to create an air flow gap, and strap 'em down with duct tape! /me peers thru the 'net to see Bruce and Clark rolling their eyes and shuddering uncontrollably! Be careful of air and heat flow... watch the system temp to make sure things are happy. And be careful of overloading the power supply. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
At 6:46 AM -0800 1/11/2010, PM7500 wrote: What you can do is call Paypal and tell them to set your account to automatically sweep any available funds to your bank account at the end of each day. No need to call. You can set that up online. You set up a bank account just for use with Paypal and then run down and withdraw the money or transfer it to another account that they don't have access to as soon as it posts so they can't reclaim it if they think there is a problem. That works. You have to tell your bank, though, that you don't want to allow any overdrafts to take place on the Paypal account or else if a request comes through when the account is empty they might honor it then hit you with an overdraft fee. Yea. But now there's a problem. Remember: you are legally required to provide funds for refunds and chargebacks. Failure to do so is FRAUD, etc. Since your Paypal account is empty, Paypal will initiate an ACH transfer from your attached bank account. Your bank - instructed to not provide overdraft coverage - will bounce the ACH order, and hit you with a bounce fee. If the amount is small, Paypal will often give up, and let the rest of their policies and/or insurance handle things. But if the amount is large, Paypal could take legal action against you. And if the Buyer used a credit card, and initiated a chargeback, then that bank can also go after you! When all is said and done, and you've delt with the hassle and paid all the legal fees, and felt the dent in your credit rating, there's one final bump: This is the 21st Century: Processors Talk. No matter where you go from then on, you will probably be required to keep an escrow available. Nice services like Paypal may just do a withdrawl delay. Other's will require a large cash balance at all times. Bottom line... This isn't a cash'n'carry garage sale where you can legally take the money and run. You have contracted with the banking system to process payments for you. Now you have to own up to your side of the contract too! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Dan wrote: Data is like gas. It expands to fill all available space! YA! If there's room, I try to fill it! heh. A proper carrier is best, but in a pinch -- I use cardboard separators between the drives, to create an air flow gap, and strap 'em down with duct tape! /me peers thru the 'net to see Bruce and Clark rolling their eyes and shuddering uncontrollably! ROFL..you clearly haven't seen any of my kludges over the years, although to be honest I've never seen duct tape in use before. Be careful of air and heat flow... watch the system temp to make sure things are happy. Too true. Some folks in one of our labs added a second hard drive to their system, and lacking anyplace to mount it they carefully protected it from falling and vibration: http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/home-made_enclosure1.jpg By wrapping it in styrofoam. The broken section at the left happened when I tried to get the drive out of the foam when it failed. It was far too hot to touch when I first opened the computer and saw it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Dan wrote: Data is like gas. It expands to fill all available space! YA! If there's room, I try to fill it! heh. A proper carrier is best, but in a pinch -- I use cardboard separators between the drives, to create an air flow gap, and strap 'em down with duct tape! /me peers thru the 'net to see Bruce and Clark rolling their eyes and shuddering uncontrollably! ROFL..you clearly haven't seen any of my kludges over the years, although to be honest I've never seen duct tape in use before. Be careful of air and heat flow... watch the system temp to make sure things are happy. Too true. Some folks in one of our labs added a second hard drive to their system, and lacking anyplace to mount it they carefully protected it from falling and vibration: http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/home-made_enclosure1.jpg By wrapping it in styrofoam. The broken section at the left happened when I tried to get the drive out of the foam when it failed. It was far too hot to touch when I first opened the computer and saw it. Despite years of trying, I've never yet managed to make a system idiot-proof. I HAVE, however, learned just how inventive ingenious idiots can be... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
This might cause PayPal to close the acct and you could loose your PayPal??? They also change their policies and hold your money for 21 days too on each transaction... -Original Message- From: PM7500 jburke...@comcast.net Sent: Jan 11, 2010 9:46 AM To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay? What you can do is call Paypal and tell them to set your account to automatically sweep any available funds to your bank account at the end of each day. You set up a bank account just for use with Paypal and then run down and withdraw the money or transfer it to another account that they don't have access to as soon as it posts so they can't reclaim it if they think there is a problem. You have to tell your bank, though, that you don't want to allow any overdrafts to take place on the Paypal account or else if a request comes through when the account is empty they might honor it then hit you with an overdraft fee. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
On 1/11/2010 9:57 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: By wrapping it in styrofoam. The broken section at the left happened when I tried to get the drive out of the foam when it failed. It was far too hot to touch when I first opened the computer and saw it. When I do thinks like these I think of heat and would think the foam would retain rather than disperse heat. But that's an interesting one, alright. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
But now there's a problem. Remember: you are legally required to provide funds for refunds and chargebacks. Failure to do so is FRAUD, etc. Since your Paypal account is empty, Paypal will initiate an ACH transfer from your attached bank account. Your bank - instructed to not provide overdraft coverage - will bounce the ACH order, and hit you with a bounce fee. If the amount is small, Paypal will often give up, and let the rest of their policies and/or insurance handle things. But if the amount is large, Paypal could take legal action against you. And if the Buyer used a credit card, and initiated a chargeback, then that bank can also go after you! When all is said and done, and you've delt with the hassle and paid all the legal fees, and felt the dent in your credit rating, there's one final bump: This is the 21st Century: Processors Talk. No matter where you go from then on, you will probably be required to keep an escrow available. Nice services like Paypal may just do a withdrawl delay. Other's will require a large cash balance at all times. Bottom line... This isn't a cash'n'carry garage sale where you can legally take the money and run. You have contracted with the banking system to process payments for you. Now you have to own up to your side of the contract too! True, . . . but if your are protecting your bank account from being raided unjustly then let PayPal file a civil suite for fraud. If their claims are false you have legal options. Hypothetically, if someone was raiding my bank account on a bogus charge then I would protect it by any means necessary. Of course many folks don't have the motivations to really fight the powers that be. If need be let the lawyers sort it out. I know this is another simplistic solution to this wonderful modern world we live in. And I know this not the country I grew up in during the days of old, but I'm still feisty and and willing to exercise whatever rights I have left. Oh well, --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
As far as I know you have been paid. If not, Wednesday some of our Social Security money direct depost and then run it Thursday. I have not seen my statement as of yet. I am unaware of what payments have been through my card. Sorry for your inconvenience. By all means, you will be paid. Robert Long Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:02:45 -0800 From: glenst...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com But now there's a problem. Remember: you are legally required to provide funds for refunds and chargebacks. Failure to do so is FRAUD, etc. Since your Paypal account is empty, Paypal will initiate an ACH transfer from your attached bank account. Your bank - instructed to not provide overdraft coverage - will bounce the ACH order, and hit you with a bounce fee. If the amount is small, Paypal will often give up, and let the rest of their policies and/or insurance handle things. But if the amount is large, Paypal could take legal action against you. And if the Buyer used a credit card, and initiated a chargeback, then that bank can also go after you! When all is said and done, and you've delt with the hassle and paid all the legal fees, and felt the dent in your credit rating, there's one final bump: This is the 21st Century: Processors Talk. No matter where you go from then on, you will probably be required to keep an escrow available. Nice services like Paypal may just do a withdrawl delay. Other's will require a large cash balance at all times. Bottom line... This isn't a cash'n'carry garage sale where you can legally take the money and run. You have contracted with the banking system to process payments for you. Now you have to own up to your side of the contract too! True, . . . but if your are protecting your bank account from being raided unjustly then let PayPal file a civil suite for fraud. If their claims are false you have legal options. Hypothetically, if someone was raiding my bank account on a bogus charge then I would protect it by any means necessary. Of course many folks don't have the motivations to really fight the powers that be. If need be let the lawyers sort it out. I know this is another simplistic solution to this wonderful modern world we live in. And I know this not the country I grew up in during the days of old, but I'm still feisty and and willing to exercise whatever rights I have left. Oh well, --glen _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! Paul -- Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
On 1/11/10, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! aren't you a nanny? You should know the moderation state of these lists, at least I would think so... -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Previously, at 9:53 pm -0500 1/11/10, John Musbach wrote: aren't you a nanny? You should know the moderation state of these lists, at least I would think so... no, I'm not a nanny -- If God lived on earth, people would break his windows. -- Jewish Proverb -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB Death...
On Jan 10, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Gottick International wrote: more info on this OPTi page says it should be compatible, AFAIK: http://www.opti.com/html/usb1394.html Perhaps removing it from your machine, starting the machine up and running for awhile, then re-install the card would get the new OS X.5 to pick up the card. Or just move it to another PCI slot? (similar re-install idea). This worked a while back for a two port USB2 card with an NEC chipset, and its not even meant for Mac. It was causing the video not to work most of the time and the boot sound to sound like a skipping CD, but after running the machine a few days without it and putting it back in (i need USB2 as my one USB 1.1 port is dead) it works fine! Sounds absolutely voodoo. Will try it. It was suggested to me that when installing a new level of OS X, that I return the Mac to its original hardware state. For my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, that would be to remove all PCI cards, and put the original Geforce4 MX back. Afterwards ... replace the video card with my newer ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, and add back in my M-Audio 2496 PCI card. Upgrading within the same 10.4 or 10.5 OS X to its successive levels, up to 10.4.11 and 10.5.8, can be done without removing the add ons, for the most part. Curious if the original poster had success with his machine? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
