Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote: I have Mac Mini G4 (see object) 1,25 GHz 1GB RAM, and I'm booting Leopard 10.5.8 I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, and the modification is relatively easy. Second, I think that Tiger 10.4.11 is the optimal OS for the G4 Mini. You can run Leopard 10.5.8, but it will be about 15-20% slower than Tiger 10.4.11. This is true for all PPC Macs; whereas the reverse is true for Intel Macs, they're faster with Leopard. I have had an internal IDE drive from WD, it's a Scorpio Blue IDE 250GB. Great. Nice drive. I assume you're booting from this HD? So I think is useless partition the 500GB to 180GB. Yes, this is useless. Don't do this. Secondly, I've tried with a 80GB SATA and the system boots, even though I can't see any second drive with disk utility and system profiler. I STILL don't understand? WHERE is the SATA drive? Are we talking about an external Firewire or USB SATA drive enclosure? If the SATA HD is in a USB enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4 Mini, you need an Intel Mini to be able to boot USB. Otherwise, you can't use ANY SATA HD internally in the G4 Mini unless you have some sort of adapter. Are you using some sort of internal SATA-to-PATA/IDE adapter? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
2010/2/12 Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, and the modification is relatively easy I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of an expert solder man :D . Second, I think that Tiger 10.4.11 is the optimal OS for the G4 Mini. You can run Leopard 10.5.8, but it will be about 15-20% slower than Tiger 10.4.11. This is true for all PPC Macs; whereas the reverse is true for Intel Macs, they're faster with Leopard. I had kept Tiger even after Leopard, but I had had some problems with Remote control from my Leopard Snow Leopard MacBook Pro. So I put Leopard in it, and I had no problems. If you give me any config suggestions I'm happy to reinstall Tiger. Great. Nice drive. I assume you're booting from this HD? Yes, I'm booting from it. I STILL don't understand? WHERE is the SATA drive? Are we talking about an external Firewire or USB SATA drive enclosure? If the SATA HD is in a USB enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4 Mini, you need an Intel Mini to be able to boot USB. Otherwise, you can't use ANY SATA HD internally in the G4 Mini unless you have some sort of adapter. Are you using some sort of internal SATA-to-PATA/IDE adapter? Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place of the superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from FireWire. It's a chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found it on eBay. Any other questions? :) Nicholas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
If the SATA HD is in a USB enclosure this is NOT bootable in the G4 Mini, you need an Intel Mini to be able to boot USB. Just to point out, for the sake of completeness, that quite a few PowerPC macs CAN boot from USB, but it's apparently a bit hit and miss, and slow. Especially over USB 1.1 on the G3 and G4 systems. Can't/too lazy to post links from my phone but a google of boot PowerPC mac from USB returns a few likely candidates. FireWire is a much better bet though, but it could be useful in an emergency or something -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote: I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, and the modification is relatively easy I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of an expert solder man :D You don't need to solder. You can use a pen that uses conductive ink to draw the jumper contacts. Also, there is the same stuff for repairing the rear window defrost traces in cars, a type of conductive paint. You can cut off any resistor that needs to be removed with a tiny sharp edge, or a tiny screwdriver. Then draw on any resistor with the conductive pen. No solder, no heat. The 1.25 to 1.42 is a little harder than the 1.42 to 1.58. Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place of the superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from FireWire. It's a chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found it on eBay. I'm not familiar with this product. I looked on the website http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/index.html and the information there is contradictory. It appears there must be multiple versions? The photo on the right clearly shows a PATA/IDE HD with SATA connectors on the bay, so it's the reverse of what you say you have. There's not much information, and not any information about multiple models, so this isn't clear. If you say an 80 GB SATA HD is recognized, and a 500 GB isn't, that's a big problem. Sometimes if the HD is new, it needs to be reformatted into Apple format, but this seems unlikely to be the problem, and if the HD is SATA I don't know how you'd reformat it if it's not recognized in System Profiler or Disk Utility. Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct issues, so you might check for that, but I saw no support pages on the MCE website, so it appears unlikely. Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote: I own a similar Mini. I will make some recommendations based upon my experiences. First, I'd strongly recommend you overclock the 1.25 GHz to 1.42 GHz. I've never heard of a 1.25 GHz that wouldn't safely overclock, and the modification is relatively easy I don't think the overclock is so easy..probably I should search of an expert solder man :D You don't need to solder. You can use a pen that uses conductive ink to draw the jumper contacts. Also, there is the same stuff for repairing the rear window defrost traces in cars, a type of conductive paint. You can cut off any resistor that needs to be removed with a tiny sharp edge, or a tiny screwdriver. Then draw on any resistor with the conductive pen. No solder, no heat. The 1.25 to 1.42 is a little harder than the 1.42 to 1.58. Sorry, my english is terrible. I put a PATA to SATA adapter in place of the superdrive. I know that I can't boot from USB but only from FireWire. It's a chinese made adapter MCE Optibay like, I've found it on eBay. I'm not familiar with this product. I looked on the website http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/index.html and the information there is contradictory. It appears there must be multiple versions? The photo on the right clearly shows a PATA/IDE HD with SATA connectors on the bay, so it's the reverse of what you say you have. There's not much information, and not any information about multiple models, so this isn't clear. If you say an 80 GB SATA HD is recognized, and a 500 GB isn't, that's a big problem. Sometimes if the HD is new, it needs to be reformatted into Apple format, but this seems unlikely to be the problem, and if the HD is SATA I don't know how you'd reformat it if it's not recognized in System Profiler or Disk Utility. Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct issues, so you might check for that, but I saw no support pages on the MCE website, so it appears unlikely. Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad? Is your 500 GB a WD PATA drive? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On Feb 11, 7:46 am, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: I wondered about the long two line link before I posted it but I'm not too certain about the conventions for links in plain text mailings. I thought - and we all know what thought did - a long link which makes more than one line is ok if unhyphenated during the paste and then enclosed by . The is one of the documented conventions for enclosing links in text postings. I don't remember where it's documented, but someone pointed it out in teh last few weeks in one of the lists I read. There isn't much in the way of standards for web based fora, but the internet had standards for text posting long before the web came along. So, if your browser or email client follows proper convention, it won't break a link enclosed in . However, clearly the programmers for Google Groups don't know about standards because links shown on their web interface are always broken if they cover more than one line. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mozilla Firefox
This thread gave me the idea to go back and re-connect with Safari 4.0.4 (under Leopard 10.5.8 on my DA Dual 533). It seems to load pages so much faster than Firefox 3.5.7. I've been using Firefox solely for a year or so ... Export Booksmarks to an html file on the Desktop, then Import them into Safari. Also updated my Perian (the swiss-army knife for Quicktime): http://perian.org/ other info on Perian: Perian is a free, open source QuickTime component that adds native support for many popular video formats. Perian enables QuickTime application support for additional media: • File formats: AVI, DIVX, FLV, MKV, GVI, VP6, and VFW • Video types: MS-MPEG4 v1 v2, DivX, 3ivx, H.264, Sorenson H.263, FLV/Sorenson Spark, FSV1, VP6, H263i, VP3, HuffYUV, FFVHuff, MPEG1 MPEG2 Video, Fraps, Snow, NuppelVideo, Techsmith Screen Capture, DosBox Capture • Audio types: Windows Media Audio v1 v2, Flash ADPCM, Xiph Vorbis (in Matroska), and MPEG Layer I II Audio, True Audio, DTS Coherent Acoustics, Nellymoser ASAO • AVI support for: AAC, AC3 Audio, H.264, MPEG4, and VBR MP3 • Subtitle support for SSA/ASS and SRT Wonder if this would help others with their Quicktime and other audio/ video needs within their browsers? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
2010/2/12 John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com Is your 500 GB a WD PATA drive? Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
In a message dated 2/12/10 9:54:03 AM, pdim...@btinternet.com writes: On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Pete Nicholas I Have a 500GB WD PATA hard drive in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 Power Mac Along with 2 Seagate 250 GB PAPTA. I would have to buy a card to put SATA drives in the machine. I think if you have 2 HDDs in that machine the PATA should be jumpered to cable select. If you connect the 500 via Firewire does the machine see it? John Carrmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
We are talking laptop-style hard drives, not desktop ones. Also, i don't think a PCI card will work in a mini ;) On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, carmo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/12/10 9:54:03 AM, pdim...@btinternet.com writes: On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Pete Nicholas I Have a 500GB WD PATA hard drive in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 Power Mac Along with 2 Seagate 250 GB PAPTA. I would have to buy a card to put SATA drives in the machine. I think if you have 2 HDDs in that machine the PATA should be jumpered to cable select. If you connect the 500 via Firewire does the machine see it? John Carrmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Sometimes adapters have firmware updates that correct issues, so you might check for that, but I saw no support pages on the MCE website, so it appears unlikely. SATA-PATA adapters don't (in my experience) have firmware updates. I believe this is the case because these devices are just simple interface bridges. I believe that all a SATA-PATA adapter does is convert the commands/data transmitted between the serial bus and the parallel one. My understanding is that both SATA PATA hard drives are still both ATA drives. That is, the commands sent to the hard drive are the same whether it is a SATA or a PATA drive. (OK, a little inaccurate because I'm sure the ATA commands used with PATA are now just a subset of those supported for SATA drives. My point is just that a SATA drive should recognize all the ATA commands a PATA drive would. That's why this little gizmo's work.) I tried to come up with an analogy but unfortunately I do not have a good one. All that came to mind was the difference between wired and wireless ethernet. Two different mediums for moving data and commands, but the underlying commands and (especially) data are the same. (They're both just ethernet when viewed from the top of the protocol stack down, no?) BTW, FWIW I found this ancient PDF circa 2005 on the Addonics web site. I don't know if there's anything of interest in it, but it seemed of possible interest. Easily Convert SATA Hard Drives to IDE http://www.addonics.com/news/media/2005/SATA-IDE.pdf Apparently some folks even went so far as to take a G4 Mini and mount it inside a larger (Centris ??) case just so they could use a 3.5 drive and/or a full sized 5.25 optical drive. Needless to say some folks out there were shocked, outraged, and appalled by this sacrilegious act. (What's the emoticon for shrugging one's shoulders in apathy?) Perhaps the 500 GB SATA HD is bad? Yes. If possible I would try the drive in another system. This may not be easy to do though given that a 2.5 IDE connector is required to connect your 2.5 SATA drive bay, correct? You might want to start by just connecting the drive to a SATA system if you have one. Another alternative would be to try it in an external USB attached SATA drive enclosure. (SATA connectors are the same for both 2.5 and 3.5 drives so if you have a external drive enclosure for 3.5 drives you should be able to test the 2.5 drive in it). Frankly at this point I'm having a hard time keeping track of which drives you have and whether or not they worked and what the context was. This is was I think you have said. Please correct if I've got it wrong. 500 GB 2.5 SATA WD Scorpio via SATA-PATA optical drive replacement bay. Not recognized by Mac Mini. 80 GB (2.5 ???) Hitachi. I think you said this drive was both recognized and can be used to boot Mac Mini, yes? (Was it used in the SATA-PATA optical bay when this was done?) 250 GB (2.5 ???) PATA WD Scorpio Blue. Was also able to boot Mac Mini from this drive, correct? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
Another question for the OP. I also found this thread on another board? It sounds like you may have started it. http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183287 The reason I ask is because that thread contains the following in one of the posts: This is the item that I've bought. http://tinyurl.com/y9gas3m I was wondering whether or not this was the device you are are talking about here. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote: Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the adapter is a WinBloze item. At the electronics interface level of PATA SATA, there really aren't Windows versus Mac items. (Well, the further back you go in time, the less sure I would be about that. But I certainly think it's true for drives or systems made within the last few years.) But I also would be surprised if the form factor for this item would allow it to physically fit into a G4 Mac Mini. Then again, WTHDIK? But that's why I decided to ask. I'm not even sure that post I'm referencing came from the OP. It is in a different thread on another board. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask though. I'm still not really sure what's what so far. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:14 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/12/10 10:56:53 AM, zjboyguard- ggro...@yahoo.com writes: Another question for the OP. I also found this thread on another board? It sounds like you may have started it. http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183287 The reason I ask is because that thread contains the following in one of the posts: This is the item that I've bought. http://tinyurl.com/y9gas3m I was wondering whether or not this was the device you are are talking about here. -irrational john Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the adapter is a WinBloze item. John Carmonne The adapter electronics are platform agnostic. The physical adapter is claimed to be designed to fit the dell systems listed. Looking at the item, it APPEARS to be in the standard laptop CD/DVD form factor and would probably fit in replacement of any laptop form factor cd/dvd drive. This looks like it would be PHYSICALLY a very easy swap into a mini to replace the optical drive with a second HD. The heat issue is another story. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
In a message dated 2/12/10 11:36:44 AM, zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com writes: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM, carmo...@aol.com wrote: Wow now I'm more confused than I started out. It looks like the adapter is a WinBloze item. At the electronics interface level of PATA SATA, there really aren't Windows versus Mac items. (Well, the further back you go in time, the less sure I would be about that. But I certainly think it's true for drives or systems made within the last few years.) But I also would be surprised if the form factor for this item would allow it to physically fit into a G4 Mac Mini. Then again, WTHDIK? But that's why I decided to ask. I'm not even sure that post I'm referencing came from the OP. It is in a different thread on another board. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask though. I'm still not really sure what's what so far. -irrational john -- I'm currently trolling for a Super drive for a TiBook 500 to replace a knocking one I have in it now, I was told by Bob at Operator headgap that a lot of PC SuperDrives drives will work in the Mac and are cheaper, but he did stress that not all will work. So I assume maybe the adapter will not even though some PC items will ineterchange. If it were me I think I'd settle for a 500 GB FW external. however that adapter would be kinda cool to mess with. If it weren't for the SATA to PATA issue :-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
2010/2/12 pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Wow! It's a great news for me. I can sell my 250GB WD Scorpio and I'll buy it!! :D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
2010/2/12 iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com Another question for the OP. I also found this thread on another board? It sounds like you may have started it. http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183287 The reason I ask is because that thread contains the following in one of the posts: This is the item that I've bought. http://tinyurl.com/y9gas3m I was wondering whether or not this was the device you are are talking about here. Yes man. People from 123macmini told me to write in this group. In fact I obtained a lot of new information!! :D I've just came back from work and I need more time to read the answers to my questions. I think I'll update that post to inform other users, it may be useful for someone else. Thank you Nicholas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 with double hard drive a possible solution?
That's a desktop drive. Plenty of 500GB PATA drives exist for desktops, just not laptops/the mini. Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote: 2010/2/12 pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com mailto:pdim...@btinternet.com On 12/2/10 15:54, Nicholas Fantuzzi snii...@gmail.com mailto:snii...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read the previous mails? First of all, a 500GB PATA drive doesn't exist at all, secondly I have a 500GB SATA drive. Doesn't exist? What's this then? http://tiny.cc/CjJMm Wow! It's a great news for me. I can sell my 250GB WD Scorpio and I'll buy it!! :D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Downgrade from iMac/10.6 to PM G5/10.5
Is it possible to migrate a user account, desktop and apps from an Intel iMac with Snow Leopard to a Powermac G5 with Leopard (I'll explain that in a bit.) Is it possible to use some combination of Migration Assistant, Time Machine and/or Carbon Copy Cloner to move the user account and apps from a 10.6 to a 10.5 machine? Long version: I hope to potentially solve two problems with this move. Firstly, I have a dual G5 which puts out as much heat as a small blast furnace. Combined with the quad-core Wintel box in my home office, the heat was intense, even in winter. So I went ahead and decommissioned it. However, my SO has the unfortunate habit of cranking the temperature to 78F. So I thought it might be a good idea to swap my Powermac for her iMac. The problem is that while she approves of the idea in concept, she is dead-set on keeping her current desktop and apps. The main apps she uses appear to be Leopard compatible, but I'm not sure if file and preferences locations are the same across OS's. I do have a backup of the original iMac Leopard install (CCC image), but it's been several months since I upgraded her machine. Any input welcome... Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Need info
Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
Sir, I have used Skype on a Mac Laptop in the forest of Virginia. Paul Twiddy Past President of CACC Charlotte Area Computer Club ptwi...@comporium.net Serving Charlotte Since 1978 On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
On 12 Feb 2010, at 13:43:52 PST, Paul Twiddy wrote: I have used Skype on a Mac Laptop in the forest of Virgina On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? - I use Skype on a Mac MDD/dual 1.25 and a MacBook Pro (intel) and have connected to a windows machine with Skype. Don't know what version of windows, but I expect XP home. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
I use Skype regularly, and it doesn't matter what type of system you install it on - as long as the Skype application is the same, it'll call anyone. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 15:39, Wm. Arnold w_arn...@att.net wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville-Davidson County, Tennessee USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downgrade from iMac/10.6 to PM G5/10.5
On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Eric Volker wrote: Is it possible to migrate a user account, desktop and apps from an Intel iMac with Snow Leopard to a Powermac G5 with Leopard (I'll explain that in a bit.) Is it possible to use some combination of Migration Assistant, Time Machine and/or Carbon Copy Cloner to move the user account and apps from a 10.6 to a 10.5 machine? I would try connecting the iMac via FW target mode and using Migration assistant. If that doesn't work, I'd be quite hesitant to use other methods because you're likely to end up with a non functional user directory on the G5 which will certainly squash your SO's desire to swap :-/ User settings should translate, user docs certainly will, apps almost certainly not, since 10.6 doesn't include any PPC apps. Non-Apple apps will work, so long as they're universal. The safest way (I would think) is to find those iMac disks (or any other 10.5 installer) and downgrade the iMac first to 10.5; OS X will make you do an ArchiveInstall, then a straight migration assistant run to the G5 will work. NO matter what you do, make sure the iMac is backed up completely with a known good backup before you do anything. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
the new versions of Skype will not work on a G3 processor, they wont even launch because they depend on the AltiVec in the G4 CPU. On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
Previously, at 1:39 pm -0800 2/12/10, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks My son uses it to talk to us, but when his g/f was in California they visited regularly and she has a windows machine. p. -- What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books. -- Thomas Carlyle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
I used to have qwest for my long distance, I use skype for long distance now 2.95 a month for us canada unlimited... I can call any cell phone or landline. And the quality? If I use my headset, NO difference. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 1:39 pm -0800 2/12/10, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks My son uses it to talk to us, but when his g/f was in California they visited regularly and she has a windows machine. p. -- What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books. -- Thomas Carlyle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks Yes. It works fine on Mac. Very inexpensive. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
Jeff, do you have any advice regarding headsets for Skype? On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I used to have qwest for my long distance, I use skype for long distance now 2.95 a month for us canada unlimited... I can call any cell phone or landline. And the quality? If I use my headset, NO difference. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 1:39 pm -0800 2/12/10, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks My son uses it to talk to us, but when his g/f was in California they visited regularly and she has a windows machine. p. -- What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books. -- Thomas Carlyle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
I went to staples and picked up a Cyber Acoustics in the discount bin. It's got one ear phone and a mic on it and had the works with skype decal on it. It's so cheap that there isn't even a model number on it. I like it because I can call my brother in spokane without plugging up the main phone line (my wife likes that) Here it is, I found it.Cyber Acoustics USB is a must have as I can leave it plugged in all the time because it doesn't take up the audio in/out ports... Jeff On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:18 PM, R. A. Cantrell wrote: Jeff, do you have any advice regarding headsets for Skype? On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I used to have qwest for my long distance, I use skype for long distance now 2.95 a month for us canada unlimited... I can call any cell phone or landline. And the quality? If I use my headset, NO difference. Jeff Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 1:39 pm -0800 2/12/10, Wm. Arnold wrote: Do any of you on this list use or tried Skype ? Will it work between Windoz Mac ? Thanks My son uses it to talk to us, but when his g/f was in California they visited regularly and she has a windows machine. p. -- What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books. -- Thomas Carlyle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
= So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users? Because I would like to buy a brnd-new Intel Mac, but I still have to get the money to do that. And because with my Tiger-running Beige G3 I can most of the applications made for Mac OS X and Mac OS classic. That's it. -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 4:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility. See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and I have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet. The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive. Has anyone around here done this successfully? -carlos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
All, I have a Quicksilver it was originally a 733 Mhz one but when I bought it someone had upgraded it to 933Mhz. Its running 1.25 GB RAM. I recently got a deal on the lowendmac swap list for another 512 MB RAM. I inserted it into the 1st RAM Slot and removed the 256 MB Stick that was in it. When I restarted I get 3 beeps and no video. I'm like ok this is supposed to be good RAM. I then placed it in the 3rd Slot and the Macintosh booted as normal but didn't recognize the memory. I have looked around and people talk about CL (CAS Latency) and Low vs High Density Memory so I'm wondering if the RAM is good but just doesn't meet the specs. Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. If it can I wanted to find out if a true Quicksilver Dual 1.0Ghz can run CL2 Memory (if so I'll keep this as I just got one with processor and motherboard and plan on moving over to that. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downgrade from iMac/10.6 to PM G5/10.5
On 2/12/10 1:33 PM, Eric Volker wrote: Is it possible to migrate a user account, desktop and apps from an Intel iMac with Snow Leopard to a Powermac G5 with Leopard (I'll explain that in a bit.) Is it possible to use some combination of Migration Assistant, Time Machine and/or Carbon Copy Cloner to move the user account and apps from a 10.6 to a 10.5 machine? I think you can use Migration Assistant to do this. I've only used it once so I'm not all that familiar with it. What I've done in the past is I create the user account, copy the entire user folder over to the new account and then move the various pieces into place. This has always worked well for me but I was always moving forward in OS versions. The problem I can see is that an application preference from a newer version may not work with an older application. It's a case of trial and error. I think most applications would flag an error. If that happens remove the preference file (I would store it in a temporary folder, just in case) and let the app recreate it's preference file. The same holds true for the various system related user preferences (dock, finder, etc.). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:11 PM, deadwinter wrote: See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and I have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet. The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive. Has anyone around here done this successfully? Yes, I have. I used to boot from a 250GB Firewire HD with OS 10.4.11 on both my Beige w/450 G4 CPU, and an old 7600 w/450 G4 CPU. It works fine. Here's what you do: Clone the OS from the internal HD to the external using Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper!, or any other clone utility. Then launch XPostFacto 4 on the internal HD and select the internal HD as the XPF helper and the external FW drive as the boot volume, and restart. Should boot. If you need assistance I can help off-list. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need info
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:17 PM, John Callahan wrote: Yes. It (Skype) works fine on Mac. I don't know about fine. I've been attempting to talk with a friend who's visiting the Middle East, and it was a very poor connection. I then called my brother who was in Austin, Texas (I'm in Kansas), and it was equally poor, and even dropped the connection. I think perhaps iChatAV is a better choice for Mac-to-Mac? I believe there are other VOIP programs that are compatible with Skype, so perhaps Skype isn't the best choice, I don't know? From my minimal experience I wouldn't use the words works fine for Skype. Also, I was trying to troubleshoot a webcam and tried using Skype to test the function. I placed a call from one Mac in my home to another Mac in my home, and to my astonishment the video was perhaps twenty or thirty seconds delayed. I've heard of latency, but this was insane. I had the computers in different rooms and it was like a time machine, I could walk into the other room and see the video of what happened half a minute ago. It was bizarre, and no way any meaningful conversation could happen over this connection. I suppose rather than scoping out the direct, lowest latency connection between the two computers, it has to be sent to Bethesda or somewhere the NSA can get their copy? I diverge, but since I mentioned low latency connections, there is a company that's going to do live multi-player video games where the games reside on a host computer, and your computer is basically a dumb terminal. This method has many advantages, which one of the coolest is being able to spectate at multi-player games. There could be a crowd of a million watching two teams play against each other, just like real life sports. The technology they use to find the lowest latency connection should be incorporated into these video VOIP programs. Here's a link to the demo, I thought it was fantastically persuasive IF IT WORKS as it appears to in this demo: http://www.viddler.com/explore/gamertagradio/videos/160/169.707/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
Yeah, the M is for Micron. They are actually based here in Idaho :D (i get excited because Idaho is never mentioned.. anywhere) On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I have a Quicksilver it was originally a 733 Mhz one but when I bought it someone had upgraded it to 933Mhz. Its running 1.25 GB RAM. I recently got a deal on the lowendmac swap list for another 512 MB RAM. I inserted it into the 1st RAM Slot and removed the 256 MB Stick that was in it. When I restarted I get 3 beeps and no video. I'm like ok this is supposed to be good RAM. I then placed it in the 3rd Slot and the Macintosh booted as normal but didn't recognize the memory. I have looked around and people talk about CL (CAS Latency) and Low vs High Density Memory so I'm wondering if the RAM is good but just doesn't meet the specs. Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. If it can I wanted to find out if a true Quicksilver Dual 1.0Ghz can run CL2 Memory (if so I'll keep this as I just got one with processor and motherboard and plan on moving over to that. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
