Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

2010-03-24 Thread ah...clem
congrats. you snagged a great deal.

the temp you noted qualitatively w/ your fingers is quite normal for
the 1.0DP.  also, if the CPU fan is disconnected or not working, the
computer will automatically shut down.  you can see this for yourself
if you pull the leads to the fan off while it's running.  if you want,
you can apply thermal grease to the surface of the processor chips and
reseat the heatsink.  i *hesitate* to recommend this, because the
average person will apply 10,000% too much thermal grease, and make
the situation worse, not better.  the grease must be used EXTREMELY
sparingly,  just enough to fill the contact gaps between the chip
surface and the heatsink surface.  if you apply more and separate the
processor chip from direct contact with the heatsink, you can cause
the processors to fry.  thermal grease is NOT a better thermal
conductor than direct contact.  if you've ever wiped up a spill and
seen a thin film left behind, that is the thickness of thermal grease
that would improve the cooling capacity of the heatsink.  no more.
the CPU fan IS on the top.  *top* is relative to the location of the
CPU, not the center of the earth. ;o)

if you are not running an optical drive or ZIP drive (which was common
in QS's), you could reroute the molex power cord that normally
connects there.  and four HD's should be no problem for the PS.  just
more heat.  try to spread them out as much as possible.  this will
mean getting some longer IDE ribbons.

jt

On Mar 23, 9:32 pm, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote:
 All,

     I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it 
 was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM 
 related. I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured 
 this would stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems 
 via that. I don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this 
 Macintosh (is this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I 
 have noticed something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems 
 to get VERY HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch 
 the heatsink it is just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this 
 normal? I have checked the fan that is under the shroud that routes out of 
 the case and it spins and runs so its not that that isn't working. If this 
 processor normally runs hot is there any better way to cool it a side fan 
 doesn't seem like a very effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC
  World where heatsinks have fans on top).

     Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add 
 harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for 
 internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on 
 this computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not 
 does this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable 
 higher wattage one?

 Thank You,
 Albert Carter

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Koch
Yoy are using USB 1 ; unless you installed USB 2 card;  USB 1 is slow
On Mar 24, 2010, at 15:44, Demetrius wrote:

 trying to move a few hundred gb from my MDD to new Western Digital My
 Book Essential 1TB drive, but it's going agonizingly slow... says 88
 hours for 250 gb and seems to be actually moving at that pace... it's
 a usb connection, and i reformatted the drive into two partitions.
 any idea why it's so slow?
 
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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread akfreeridemtber
That's the problem I have on my MDD. Looking at picking up a USB 2.0 PCI card 
today...

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Michael Koch troutcr...@ncwcom.com wrote:

Yoy are using USB 1 ; unless you installed USB 2 card;  USB 1 is slow
On Mar 24, 2010, at 15:44, Demetrius wrote:

trying to move a few hundred gb from my MDD to new Western Digital My
Book Essential 1TB drive, but it's going agonizingly slow... says 88
hours for 250 gb and seems to be actually moving at that pace... it's
a usb connection, and i reformatted the drive into two partitions.
any idea why it's so slow?

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have a nice day
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Re: Download thru Safari Problem

2010-03-24 Thread Dan

At 5:10 PM -0400 3/24/2010, Bill Connelly wrote:
I'm waiting to finish a download of a 1.98GB file from Izzy's Video 
site, and it seems stuck at 1.94GB.
(FCE 4 lovers, you gotta see his site: 
http://www.izzyvideo.com/learn-final-cut-express/)


Its been working all night, and for the past few hours, just sits at 1.94.

Any way to coax it on?


Open Safari's downloads window and stop the download.
Select that download hit cmd-c, to copy the URL for the file.
Launch Terminal.app
cd into the directory where you've downloaded it.
  eg: cd ~/Desktop/
Use curl to resume the download.
  curl -LO pasteThatURLhere

HTH,
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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread JoeTaxpayer
BTW - I've used this company before.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280476352515category=67869ssPageName=ADME:B:SEMK:US:SHOWIemailtemplateid=20543087sellerid=gGJHhC/Sl6umjaZzVXQDxQ==buyerid=FpRekKD1aqCMA/iALSI0iA==refid=store#shId

$4 shipped.

On Mar 24, 5:33 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote:
 Make sure the USB 2.0 card you get is truly 2.0.
 I bought one that said 2.0 compatible, and it was really 1.0. Stupid
 mistake on my part.
 Cards are cheap and worth getting for this or for iPod connection.

 On Mar 24, 3:44 pm, Demetrius babag...@gmail.com wrote:

  trying to move a few hundred gb from my MDD to new Western Digital My
  Book Essential 1TB drive, but it's going agonizingly slow... says 88
  hours for 250 gb and seems to be actually moving at that pace... it's
  a usb connection, and i reformatted the drive into two partitions.
  any idea why it's so slow?

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread akfreeridemtber
True. I'm home sharing my iTunes between my Mac Mini, G5 and want to put it on 
my Power Mac G4 MDD.  USB 1.0 sucks. It said it would be 8 plus hours for only 
2.7 gb's... : ( 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:33 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote:

Make sure the USB 2.0 card you get is truly 2.0.
I bought one that said 2.0 compatible, and it was really 1.0. Stupid
mistake on my part.
Cards are cheap and worth getting for this or for iPod connection.

On Mar 24, 3:44 pm, Demetrius babag...@gmail.com wrote:
trying to move a few hundred gb from my MDD to new Western Digital My
Book Essential 1TB drive, but it's going agonizingly slow... says 88
hours for 250 gb and seems to be actually moving at that pace... it's
a usb connection, and i reformatted the drive into two partitions.
any idea why it's so slow?

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread Sri Gupta
On Mar 24, 4:55 pm, akfreeridemtber akfreeridemt...@yahoo.com wrote:
 True. I'm home sharing my iTunes between my Mac Mini, G5 and want to put it 
 on my Power Mac G4 MDD.  USB 1.0 sucks. It said it would be 8 plus hours for 
 only 2.7 gb's... : (

 Sent from my iPhone

If it's wired, share the folder over the network.  Even with overhead,
AFP should be faster than USB 1.0.  Or get a firewire drive ;)

Also, Other World Computing has a 4-port USB 2.0 card for $22.
Compatible with all G4 Powermacs.
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/IOGear/GIC251U/

-sri

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Re: Download thru Safari Problem

2010-03-24 Thread Bill Connelly


On Mar 24, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Dan wrote:


At 5:10 PM -0400 3/24/2010, Bill Connelly wrote:
I'm waiting to finish a download of a 1.98GB file from Izzy's Video  
site, and it seems stuck at 1.94GB.

(FCE 4 lovers, you gotta see his site: 
http://www.izzyvideo.com/learn-final-cut-express/)

Its been working all night, and for the past few hours, just sits  
at 1.94.


Any way to coax it on?


Open Safari's downloads window and stop the download.
Select that download hit cmd-c, to copy the URL for the file.
Launch Terminal.app
cd into the directory where you've downloaded it.
 eg: cd ~/Desktop/
Use curl to resume the download.
 curl -LO pasteThatURLhere

HTH,
- Dan.
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Thanks. I had a;ready tried to stop and resume using the Download  
window, and even though it went to completion, it was evidently corrupt.


Trying again ... will try a resume using your above suggestion should  
it stall again.


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Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

2010-03-24 Thread Albert Carter
John,

    I wasn't able to reseat the processor/heatsink yet. I did install iStat Pro 
however it shows only temperatures on hard drive so that's not too much help. 
Are there any processor temperatures anywhere on this machine?

Albert





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Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 9:48:41 PM
Subject: Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help

Reseat the processor module heat sink and make sure all fans are clear of dust 
and crap and operating. There should be a dedicated fan for processor module 
heat sink cooling. Down load IstatPro to check operating temperatures.


On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

 All,
 
    I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it 
was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM related. 
I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured this would 
stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that. I 
don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is 
this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have noticed 
something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems to get VERY 
HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch the heatsink 
it is just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have 
checked the fan that is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it 
spins and runs so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally 
runs hot is there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a 
very effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC
 World where heatsinks have fans on top).
 
    Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add 
harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for 
internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on 
this computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not 
does this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable 
higher wattage one?
 
 Thank You,
 Albert Carter


  

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread Albert Carter
This is interesting. This card doesn't designate it works with Macs or not. Can 
you put in any USB 2.0 card and it will work? If this is the case what cards 
besides video cards are Mac Specific. I guess controller cards would be as well.





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Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 6:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: data transfer so sllooo on G4 MDD?

BTW - I've used this company before.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280476352515category=67869ssPageName=ADME:B:SEMK:US:SHOWIemailtemplateid=20543087sellerid=gGJHhC/Sl6umjaZzVXQDxQ==buyerid=FpRekKD1aqCMA/iALSI0iA==refid=store#shId

$4 shipped.


  

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread akfreeridemtber
It's wired with home sharing on, but I just want to have it as a back up on 
other computers.  
Got my 4 port Real USB 2.0 PCI today, $19.99 new from computer store, and 
installed it in my G4 MDD. 7.5gb's took like 3 mins, or so (not 8 hours as with 
USB 1.0). 
Woot Woot!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Sri Gupta srigu...@tulanealumni.net wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:55 pm, akfreeridemtber akfreeridemt...@yahoo.com wrote:
True. I'm home sharing my iTunes between my Mac Mini, G5 and want to put it on 
my Power Mac G4 MDD.  USB 1.0 sucks. It said it would be 8 plus hours for only 
2.7 gb's... : (

Sent from my iPhone

If it's wired, share the folder over the network.  Even with overhead,
AFP should be faster than USB 1.0.  Or get a firewire drive ;)

Also, Other World Computing has a 4-port USB 2.0 card for $22.
Compatible with all G4 Powermacs.
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/IOGear/GIC251U/

-sri

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread akfreeridemtber
I bought a new Real USB 2.0, 3 port (i said 4) card from Computer Renaissance 
for $19.99. It says it's for Windows 98 threw XP. No Mac listed anywhere. But 
it was plug-n-play. I just don't use the driver c.d. (it's for windon't) that 
came with it.
Tested it, 7.5gb in 3 mins or so (unlike 8 hours for USB 1.0)... S
I don't think it's the card, it's the drivers. I'm using tiger 10.4.11 all 
updated. In about this Mac, it's seeing as a Hi-Speed USB.   

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 24, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote:

This is interesting. This card doesn't designate it works with Macs or not. Can 
you put in any USB 2.0 card and it will work? If this is the case what cards 
besides video cards are Mac Specific. I guess controller cards would be as well.

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Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 6:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: data transfer so sllooo on G4 MDD?

BTW - I've used this company before.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280476352515category=67869ssPageName=ADME:B:SEMK:US:SHOWIemailtemplateid=20543087sellerid=gGJHhC/Sl6umjaZzVXQDxQ==buyerid=FpRekKD1aqCMA/iALSI0iA==refid=store#shId

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread John Carmonne

On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

 
 On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Demetrius wrote:
 
 trying to move a few hundred gb from my MDD to new Western Digital My
 Book Essential 1TB drive, but it's going agonizingly slow... says 88
 hours for 250 gb and seems to be actually moving at that pace... it's
 a usb connection, and i reformatted the drive into two partitions.
 any idea why it's so slow?
 
 MDDs only have USB 1 onboard. The theoretical speeds are 12MBits/second for 
 USB 1 vs 400 for firewire and 480 for USB 2.
 
 88 hours seems a little slow, but moving that quantity over USB 1 is going to 
 take many hours.
 
 If your MDD only has the original USB and no add in cards and the My Book 
 only has a USB 2 interface, it would be well worth it to pick up a USB 2 card 
 for your MDD.
 
 Len
If your're in the USA a USB 2 card is about $12.00 at ebaay or Fry's 
Electronics.
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread Bill Connelly


On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote:


If your're in the USA a USB 2 card is about $12.00 at ebaay or Fry's  
Electronics.




I recently paid $21.99 at OWC for my IOGEAR USB 2 card, and proud to  
be an American.


Huh?

Well it works under OS X 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 ... pretty sure.

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Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?

2010-03-24 Thread John Carmonne

On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

 
 On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
 
 If your're in the USA a USB 2 card is about $12.00 at ebaay or Fry's 
 Electronics.
 
 
 I recently paid $21.99 at OWC for my IOGEAR USB 2 card, and proud to be an 
 American.
 
 Huh?
 
 Well it works under OS X 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 ... pretty sure.
 


I got mine at Fry's for $12.00 plus tax it's a VANTEC  go2.0 4 external and 1 
internal port ,  not a mention of Mac on the box anywhere, but totally plug and 
play.
Runs OS 8.5  9.2.2  10.4.11  and 10.5.8


John Carmonne
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