Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the 1960's the world's first 64-bit computer was overly protected by the government and was operated by scientists or NASA. 128-bit supercomputers were out to the military, NASA and scientists in the 1980's. Where in the world is our STANDARD 128-bit computers (AltiVec doesn't count!)? I am not being stupid or just saying random crap here. Go do the research yourself and you'll find that i'm correct. If the government is 40 years ahead of us, they PROBABLY have 2048 bit or 1 gigabit systems and with processors running at 100Ghz with 1024 cores with hard drive sizes bigger than we could ever imagine. But then again, they could be focusing on th jet pack which was a failed invention in the 1960's due to it's 20 second fuel supply (yes, it's the one where you put it on your back and press the 2 red buttons to fly, not joking lol.). -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.comwrote: I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the 1960's the world's first 64-bit computer was overly protected by the government and was operated by scientists or NASA. 128-bit supercomputers were out to the military, NASA and scientists in the 1980's. Where in the world is our STANDARD 128-bit computers (AltiVec doesn't count!)? I am not being stupid or just saying random crap here. Go do the research yourself and you'll find that i'm correct. If the government is 40 years ahead of us, they PROBABLY have 2048 bit or 1 gigabit systems and with processors running at 100Ghz with 1024 cores with hard drive sizes bigger than we could ever imagine. But then again, they could be focusing on th jet pack which was a failed invention in the 1960's due to it's 20 second fuel supply (yes, it's the one where you put it on your back and press the 2 red buttons to fly, not joking lol.). You can buy a flight pack http://www.martinjetpack.com/how-do-i-buy-one.aspx http://dvice.com/archives/2009/11/fly-away-in-a-j.php Several models in fact. And like any advanced computers you may well not have the money anyhow. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
At 1:59 AM -0400 6/19/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the 1960's [...] Really, there were two big issues back in the day: 1) The military required environmental (chemical and radiation) hardening. 2) The fast high density parts were extremely expensive. $20K per processor (4 chip set) didn't make you flinch - although breaking one of those chips sure did! Today, everything is relatively hardened. And due to the economies of the latest fabrication technologies, parts cost a bit less. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the 1960's the world's first 64-bit computer was overly protected by the government and was operated by scientists or NASA. Bus width or processor width... Bus width is about the efficiency of moving x bits simultaneously - a form of parallelism. Processor or register width is about the efficiency of doing certain mathematical operations, to enable you to perform complex algorithms quickly. Most math can be done comfortably in 64 or 128 or 256 bits. There aren't too many algorithms that really require things much wider. 64-bit was old news in the 70s. By the late 70s, we were building 4096-bit wide processors. But then some technology changes occurred, that made it worthwhile going back to lower bit widths. Consider please a critical optimization: It takes time to load a really wide register. A long time. If the processor is fast enough, you can do the wide math in smaller chunks *faster* than that wait. ...An offshoot of this type of optimization: Store data in compressed form on a HD so you don't have to read so much. It's faster to read that compressed data and decode/expand it on the fly in the CPU than it would be to simply read the uncompressed data in the first place. That's what the classic Mac OS did with fonts. That's a new feature added to HFS+ volumes, in Snow Leopard! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Preparing my new G4 MDD 1.42GHz 'puter
On Jun 18, 10:59 am, JIM RAPER jazpe...@shawneelink.net wrote: Hi, Got the above mentioned computer Wed. Couple of, hopefully, simple questions. I have loads of bookmarks on my old Sawtooth. Is there an easy way to transfer them over into FireFox Bookmarks? I have been able to save them to a Flash drive and they are live when I open up the flash in my MDD. 2nd ? I will tackle the NOISE problem next. It is solvable, isn't it? I'm fairly certain that this problem is discussed at some length in the g3-5-list archive if someone would remind me or instruct me how to access the Archives. Thanks. Jim Yes. Like onelucent suggested, here is a specific page on Accelerate Your Mac http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/feedback/MDD_CHUD_feedback.html I installed chud 3.5.2 on my two MDDs and they're run at the lowest noise level even in 90 degree outside temp. Performance is not noticeably affected. Bruce Horner -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Preparing my new G4 MDD 1.42GHz 'puter
On 18/06/10 10:33 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: The NOISE problem is a biggun, but a good way is to get some sheets of foam and cut/tape them so that they are attached to the sides of the computer. It dampens noise. Send us links to some pictures. Maybe some of us will copy your idea. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Go do the research yourself and you'll find that i'm correct. Sure, 128-bit data was accommodated, as an extended word of floating-point data, but integer data was still 32-bits per word (but which could be extended in 32-bit increments by employing 1's complement arithmetic and some additional logic for correcting for overflows, in the addition case, and for underflows, in the subtraction case). However, addressing was 24-bit, and as storage then cost about $1,000,000 per megabyte, so a 6-megabyte machine was about all anyone could afford. Plus, such a machine consumed about 140 kilo-volt- amperes (about 140,000 watts) of power, almost all of it rejected as heat, which, therefore mandated an equivalent cooling load. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
At 9:35 AM -0700 6/19/2010, Peter Haas wrote: However, addressing was 24-bit, and as storage then cost about $1,000,000 per megabyte, so a 6-megabyte machine was about all anyone could afford. Plus, such a machine consumed about 140 kilo-volt-amperes (about 140,000 watts) of power, almost all of it rejected as heat, which, therefore mandated an equivalent cooling load. Mainframe vs Microprocessor. Yes, the IBM mainframe type world was stuck with 24 bit addressing and 32 bit CPUs. Companies such as Digital were doing other things tho - 36 bit. The microprocessor world was totally different. That's where the wide stuff was being done. WRT the cooling... I always found it interesting that companies like Amdahl had air-cooled mainframes that were faster than IBM's twitchy chilled water systems. That mess was all about power and heat sink patents and licensing, and the bad blood between the two companies... Personally, I was quite happy with the heat that our IBM 3083J leaked. It kept our machine room at a reasonable temperature, so my fingers didn't freeze up! Never did get over that unclean feeling tho - worrying about how the cooties would transfer from the IBM to the DEC side of the machine room. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Folder contents PDF?
Hi All I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
At 10:35 AM -0700 6/19/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? hum. That's annoying that you can't print from Finder. In Terminal: ls -l ~/Desktop/a-file-listing.txt Then open the txt file and do whatever you want with it. If a graphic is good enough, you can always cmd-shift-4 then hit space to select the whole window, then click the mouse to take the snapshot. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
Just because nobody seems to have mentioned it. . . Without multiplexing, 64 bit addressing of external memory requires 64 external pins on the chip. Have you looked at the pins on a modern processor chip? Where would you put 32 more? How about the printed circuit wiring that connects the memory address lines to the bus while keeping all exactly the same electrical length? Someone has properly chosen fewer than all 64 bits until we really need those exabytes. (Or are they exibytes?) -- -- As a citizen of the USA if you see a federal outlay expressed in $billion then multiply it by 4 to approximate your share expressed in dollars. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:35 AM -0700 6/19/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? hum. That's annoying that you can't print from Finder. http://www.searchwaresolutions.com/ Printwindow comes in a free version. Requires G4 and OS 10.3.9. There may be some earlier versions out there. The full version is worth the $20 but try the shareware version first. Dale -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
On Jun 19, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Dan wrote: Mainframe vs Microprocessor. IBM's CMOS product line is based upon an S/390 microprocessor. One processor per chip, with six such processors on a single CPU card in the G1 family of CMOS machines. Perhaps more in later machines. With the G1, and essentially all which followed it, there was essentially no difference between a mainframe and a microprocessor, as the mainframes simply used Generation X micros as the CPU. The G1 was a six-way multi-processor which only burned about 1200 watts of power. Six S/390 processors on the single processor card, with an additional S/390 processor which performed the functions of the channel processor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On 19 Jun 2010, at 10:35:05 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? Hmm. I tried this and it seems to work. Open the folder, do [CMD-a] to select all. do [CMD-c] to copy to clipboard. Open a TextEdit file and do [CMD-v]. Doing this I got a file with all the file names in the folder. I would then think you could then do a standard Print to PDF. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
At 11:55 AM -0600 6/19/2010, Doug McNutt wrote: Just because nobody seems to have mentioned it. . . Without multiplexing, 64 bit addressing of external memory requires 64 external pins on the chip. Have you looked at the pins on a modern processor chip? Where would you put 32 more? How about the printed circuit wiring that connects the memory address lines to the bus while keeping all exactly the same electrical length? Someone has properly chosen fewer than all 64 bits until we really need those exabytes. The games played over the years to address this issue have been interesting. Sometimes there are no separate address lines at all: they share with the data lines. Sometimes the addressing is done in two or more blocks - each latched before the data. Ditto for the data. Always there are many fewer lines than you would expect. That's because so much of the address space is never mapped, or is mapped to things other than real memory (so those bits actually point to other buses). eg: Only 12 to 24 bits on a 32 bit system. Today's packages (the case in which the chip resides) have some combination of pins around the edge, pads on the bottom, and pads on the top. Picture: a bazillion legged spider with a medusa head. Pretty cool to watch the high speed machines strap the chip into the package then into circuit board... Just last night I watched one of those 'how its made' type shows on tv. They showed a chip being glued directly onto a circuit board then the medusa head being added, one wire at a time, and then they sealed the whole thing with a big blob of insulating glue -- no chip package at all! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 10:35:05 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? Hmm. I tried this and it seems to work. Open the folder, do [CMD-a] to select all. do [CMD-c] to copy to clipboard. Open a TextEdit file and do [CMD-v]. Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:26 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 10:35:05 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? Hmm. I tried this and it seems to work. Open the folder, do [CMD- a] to select all. do [CMD-c] to copy to clipboard. Open a TextEdit file and do [CMD-v]. Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. Gee I remember last century I had a DA on my Quadra 650 OS 7.5 that would give me a play list of any folder contents. Seems like it would be a standard Apple feature, never really needed it till now. iTunes does this in fine fashion so Apple should extend this capability to the entire system? JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
At 11:07 AM -0700 6/19/2010, Peter Haas wrote: Amdahl is out of business (liquidated), thanks to the incredibly bad decision-making of majority owner Fujitsu LTD. Peter ... proud to have been an Amdahl employ for two decades. Ah, the days when a quick job was anything that ran in under a CPU week, and our main work took a CPU month or two... (VLSI design work and other um stuff). I have very fond memories of my time using Amdahl systems. Our engineers loved 'em. We ended up on IBM systems because of some evil behind-the-scenes financial / managerial trickery. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On 19 Jun 2010, at 11:26:08 PDT, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 10:35:05 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? Hmm. I tried this and it seems to work. Open the folder, do [CMD- a] to select all. do [CMD-c] to copy to clipboard. Open a TextEdit file and do [CMD-v]. Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. -- OK, I see what you mean. I had BBEdit open at the time and used that for my experiment. Worked there, but with TextEdit I got a document with the contents of the individual files pasted in. Do you have a version of BBEdit lying around? Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote: On Jun 19, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:35 AM -0700 6/19/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? hum. That's annoying that you can't print from Finder. http://www.searchwaresolutions.com/ Printwindow comes in a free version. Requires G4 and OS 10.3.9. There may be some earlier versions out there. The full version is worth the $20 but try the shareware version first. Dale This look great however it needs to run on both Intel and PPC, but I'm going to get it and see if I can do it via LAN. Thanks John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 11:26:08 PDT, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 10:35:05 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I want to make a pdf list of all the file names in my .ISO file folder, or any folder for that matter, I'm not seeing anything at the ready for doing this. Can someone help me with this? Hmm. I tried this and it seems to work. Open the folder, do [CMD-a] to select all. do [CMD-c] to copy to clipboard. Open a TextEdit file and do [CMD-v]. Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. -- OK, I see what you mean. I had BBEdit open at the time and used that for my experiment. Worked there, but with TextEdit I got a document with the contents of the individual files pasted in. Do you have a version of BBEdit lying around? I've seen BBEdit on one of the machines, I never knew what it's for. I guess I know now:-) I'll see if I can download it. Do you just use it in place of TextEdit? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On 19 Jun 2010, at 11:48:23 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I've seen BBEdit on one of the machines, I never knew what it's for. I guess I know now:-) I'll see if I can download it. Do you just use it in place of TextEdit? I use it for almost all plain text files, but it is really for HTML work, that is if you would rather code than us a WSISYG page layout application. It will also open almost any file and let you see its ASCII contents. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
Move to the folder onto a web browser. Then Print as PDF. Browsers are a great file cataloging and opening utility. Drag any JPEG file over and Voila, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 19 Jun 2010, at 11:48:23 PDT, John Carmonne wrote: I've seen BBEdit on one of the machines, I never knew what it's for. I guess I know now:-) I'll see if I can download it. Do you just use it in place of TextEdit? I use it for almost all plain text files, but it is really for HTML work, that is if you would rather code than us a WSISYG page layout application. It will also open almost any file and let you see its ASCII contents. Thanks Ken I tried it and it rules in this town:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, onelucent wrote: Move to the folder onto a web browser. Then Print as PDF. Browsers are a great file cataloging and opening utility. Drag any JPEG file over and Voila, etc. I use Camino, can you tell me how to do the drag? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
Works on Firefox beautifully. Maybe not with Safari-although Safari opens JPEGs In fact, in Firefox, you can double-clip a folder within the Index generated and get a new index of that subfolder. On Jun 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, onelucent wrote: Move to the folder onto a web browser. Then Print as PDF. Browsers are a great file cataloging and opening utility. Drag any JPEG file over and Voila, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
At 11:26 AM -0700 6/19/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. Then you didn't type it correctly. Copy this line and paste it into Terminal: ls -l ~/Desktop/a-file-listing.txt - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
Works with Firefox, Opera, SeaMonkey, Not in Camino or Safari on my trials-Tiger 10.4.11. Ptherwise, just the drag any folder over an open browser window. On Jun 19, 2010, at 3:05 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:59 AM, onelucent wrote: Move to the folder onto a web browser. Then Print as PDF. Browsers are a great file cataloging and opening utility. Drag any JPEG file over and Voila, etc. I use Camino, can you tell me how to do the drag? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OFF-LIST Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:26 AM -0700 6/19/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. Then you didn't type it correctly. Copy this line and paste it into Terminal: ls -l ~/Desktop/a-file-listing.txt - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. The copy and paste did work as far as the terminal taking the commnand. So now I'm starring at a terminal dialog box?? I did a select of the folder I want a text list of and then went to print and did a PDF but I get a PDF of the Terminal box?? I did a terminal thing last week for the first time with a MacBook that was stuck in path/mode and it was some kinda magic but this has me stumped. I do want to learn the Terminal stuff, but to come off with the script is way beyond my expertise John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fwd: Folder contents PDF?
Begin forwarded message: Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. -- OK, I see what you mean. I had BBEdit open at the time and used that for my experiment. Worked there, but with TextEdit I got a document with the contents of the individual files pasted in. Do you have a version of BBEdit lying around? I've run into this before; it's a BBEdit thing, but it also works in TextWrangler, IIRC, which is their free 'BBEdit Lite' equivalent. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Folder contents PDF?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Begin forwarded message: Good idea I did this and I get something other than a text list copied to the TextEdit blank page, It's some kind of Alias icon. I tried the terminal command from Dan but it says it doesn't recognize the command. -- OK, I see what you mean. I had BBEdit open at the time and used that for my experiment. Worked there, but with TextEdit I got a document with the contents of the individual files pasted in. Do you have a version of BBEdit lying around? I've run into this before; it's a BBEdit thing, but it also works in TextWrangler, IIRC, which is their free 'BBEdit Lite' equivalent. -- Bruce Johnson The BBEdit Demo did the trick, not fancy looking but who cares? :-) I'll look for the TextWrangler and try to hone some skills on it. So much software and little time. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CPU Temp?
Hello all. I have a quick question. Does any one know of an application that monitors cpu temp? OR, does anyone know how or where I can find this information? The reason being is I have a Cpu upgrade in my Quicksilver and wanted to see how much of a difference the supplied fans cooled the cpu. I have a few modifications in mind to try to minimize the noise while retaining the temps at a minimum. Any one have any ideas on how they cooled their Quicksilvers or G4s? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
On 20/06/2010, at 12:01 PM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello all. I have a quick question. Does any one know of an application that monitors cpu temp? OR, does anyone know how or where I can find this information? The reason being is I have a Cpu upgrade in my Quicksilver and wanted to see how much of a difference the supplied fans cooled the cpu. I have a few modifications in mind to try to minimize the noise while retaining the temps at a minimum. Any one have any ideas on how they cooled their Quicksilvers or G4s? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list G'day Ricardo Try http://www.islayer.com/apps/ Regards Santa And what, you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this.. Existence that multiplied itself For sheer delight of being And plunged with numberless trillions of forms So that it might find itself innumerably Sri Aurobindo -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
That might not work. I tried it on my QuickSilver 2002 Dual 1 Ghz and it never showed the temperature. From: Brian Christmas b...@tpg.com.au To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 11:03:15 PM Subject: Re: CPU Temp? Try http://www.islayer.com/apps/ Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Albert Carter wrote: That might not work. I tried it on my QuickSilver 2002 Dual 1 Ghz and it never showed the temperature. I dont believe our Quicksilver's (mine's a 2002 dual 1GHz) have any cpu temperature sensors. The only time I believe I actually got a temperature reading is when I used Daystar's MachSpeed Control with one of my Sonnet G4 PCI Mac upgrades. I was thinking of using a temperature probe from a RadioShack inside/ outside thermometer ... but if it gets out of alignment, it might melt or short out a sensitive mobo component. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
