OS 9 Apps on G5
Hi, I just received a PowerPC G5 1.8 DP desktop tower running OS X 10.4.11. I would like to run some old Apps like Hypercard and Final Cut Pro 2.0 on this machine. Do I need to install OS 9? Is this possible? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9 Apps on G5
Les wrote: Hi, I just received a PowerPC G5 1.8 DP desktop tower running OS X 10.4.11. I would like to run some old Apps like Hypercard and Final Cut Pro 2.0 on this machine. Do I need to install OS 9? Is this possible? Thanks Yes, 10.4 will support OS9 classic (10.5 won't) so you'll need to instal OS9. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
HDD wattage timit
Hi All I have a PM G5 Dual 2.7 with a Jive 5 adaptor and 5 2TB HDDs. I've heard that the power supply is to small to handle 5 large drives, so far I've had no problems, but I'm just wondering if this is true? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Broken Door
I have discovered that the door to one of my Power Mac G4s was forced open and most of the latching mechanism is broken. How fixable is this and what would be the expense? Thanks, Mark M. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Monitor Question
Need I new monitor. My old 20 LCD Dell is on life support. No complaints got used as a gift many years ago. My budget is in the $150 range and the primary use is for graphic arts (commercial but not too color sensitive) and secondarily for general web browsing/email. First question, which would be the better 780p or 1080p. I think this has to do with visual lines per inch. I assume the higher p the better but really don't know. The monitors of interest is Hannspree 225DPB available at the local Staples office supply that I could not find the p rating. The advantage is I can pick this one up tomorrow and no lost time. The other finalist is a ViewSonic 2260wm from ComputerGeeks. This has the 1080p spec and I know as a long time commercial printer and as a much less qualified graphics artist that ViewSonic has a good track record, I still use one of their old CRT's for personal use that I got from FreeCycle. I have never heard of Hannspree and assume it is some Staples' house brand. The cons for the ViewSonic is the time and shipping. It will cost an extra week and about $20 extra for shipping after adjusting for the local sales tax at Staples. What da'yah think of the choices?? Also open to other monitor suggestions as well. I do have a few spare CRT's I can use until a new monitor arrives from far off place like California. --glen from the eastern shore. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
How do you do that? I always wondered why one monitor couldn't work for all uses. Thanks. On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Kevin Barth wrote: I have a 22 viewsonic CRT that I'm still using, more than 10 years after it's date of manufacture. It has never shown a single problem, has beautiful images, and I use it for television viewing as well as hooking up several CPUs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HDD wattage timit
On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: it depends on the amount of wattage your Power Supply Unit in your system can handle. Typical PSU's have a sticker affixed to one of the sides of the PSU (Normally from a viewable angle) and should tell you what is the maximum wattage it can handle. It can also tell you how much volts it can handle. Having 5 2TB HDD's inside a PM G5 is generally normal for the PSU to handle since the series of Power Macs you own required more power for the system. 5 Hard drives all being 3.5 inches in size should have a PSU with at least 550W of power to ensure safety. Anything 200W-550W is unstable with that many internal devices built in, because you will never be able to tell when the PSU will not be able to handle that much power being fed to it anymore. For safety reasons, both of my PM G4 Sawtooth systems have a 1200W PSU from best buy. Their form factor was ATX, which fit the machine's socket that supplies power to the main logic board, so I was able to use them. When buying computer parts like that, watch out for their price tag. My 2 PSU's cost me $350 together. I don't know what the wattage of the G5 power supply is, but I'm sure it's more than adequate for what you're doing with it. 1200w power supply in a Sawtooth is like dropping a Lycoming aircraft engine in a Yugo. Not only is it absolutely ridiculous, but it's pointless as well. 350w will drive a Sawtooth with a hefty upgraded dual CPU, every single expansion slot filled, and 4 hard disks without even breaking a sweat. I have 4 hard drives and 4 PCI cards in mine, and it's the stock 220w power supply. Modern hard disks pull about half the current as hard disks just 5 years ago. They generally have a ramped spin-up so they don't shock the system with a sudden power demand, and their seek power consumption is far below less than half again of their startup current. If you don't have a bunch of expansion cards in the machine, then running 5 hard disks should be a piece of cake on the stock power supply. I should also point out that the power socket on a Sawtooth is NOT a standard ATX socket. While it is physically identical, it has a slightly different wiring layout. See the attached link for how to mod a standard ATX power supply to work in a G4 safely and within spec of the original power supply: http://www.outofspec.com/frankenmac/wire.shtml On another subject..you still have like a 36 point From Mark's G4 Sawtooth attached to every message you send. Please either get rid of it, or make it a reasonable size!!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 Question
Greetings all, Today I was blessed with a nice used late-model G5/2.3GHz Dual-Core unit to use as a server in my office. This is one of the PCI-E models. Everymac.Com states this about the PCI-E slots: This model has two open full-length four-lane PCI Express slots, and one open full-length eight-lane PCI Express slot (I presume the two four-lane slots are the 100MHz slots, and the third is a 133MHz slot, yes?) My main question is: which slot of the three is the 8-lane slot? I suspect its the one closest to the CPU, is that correct? Thank you for the consideration. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Question
On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:30 PM, DLC wrote: Greetings all, Today I was blessed with a nice used late-model G5/2.3GHz Dual-Core unit to use as a server in my office. This is one of the PCI-E models. Everymac.Com states this about the PCI-E slots: This model has two open full-length four-lane PCI Express slots, and one open full-length eight-lane PCI Express slot (I presume the two four-lane slots are the 100MHz slots, and the third is a 133MHz slot, yes?) My main question is: which slot of the three is the 8-lane slot? I suspect its the one closest to the CPU, is that correct? Thank you for the consideration. Best regards, Dana PCI Express runs at the same clock speed, they're all 100 MHz. The lanes mean the data bandwidth of the slot. A 1x slot is good for 250MB/s, while a 4 lane slot is good for 4x that, and an 8x slot is good for 8x that amount. The graphics card sits in a 16 lane slot. You can tell which slot is which by their length. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Install script for fresh OS install?
Greetings all, I hope my description is accurate to the point that it rings a bell. I do remember this being briefly chatted up on this list, but I can't come up with the correct syntax to register a winning query. Here goes: I am putting a fresh install of OS X (Leopard) on a person's new (to- them) G5. When i am finished with all the updates, I would then like the unit to boot up as if they were the new owner, starting up the Mac for the first time and being asked to set up their account and register with Apple. I seem to recall a little utility script that one runs to make this so, or a start-up preference that needs deleting. Does this make sense, or ring a bell with anyone? If so, let me know. Thanks in advance for any input. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HDD wattage timit
- Original Message From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com Hi All I have a PM G5 Dual 2.7 with a Jive 5 adaptor and 5 2TB HDDs. I've heard that the power supply is to small to handle 5 large drives, so far I've had no problems, but I'm just wondering if this is true? You can calculate the wattage needed from the power requirements written on the drives in question or find it on their specification sheets and compare it with the wattage of your power supply. The largest power requirement is when you boot the computer and all drive get the juice at once. Once your G5 is booted power requirements of you drives will decrease. Don't know if this is true with today's SATA drives but in the old days of SCSI your could set jumpers with a delayed start so they all did not start up at the same time. Useful in servers that had many hard drives with critical power requirements. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HDD wattage timit
Always wondered why computers haven't featured a wattage meter? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Install script for fresh OS install?
That will happen on its own, with a new install. I just did some drive swaps, and wanted to made a new one the main OS drive, so I started from scratch. Big welcome screen and all. On Aug 2, 10:38 pm, DLC dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Greetings all, I hope my description is accurate to the point that it rings a bell. I do remember this being briefly chatted up on this list, but I can't come up with the correct syntax to register a winning query. Here goes: I am putting a fresh install of OS X (Leopard) on a person's new (to- them) G5. When i am finished with all the updates, I would then like the unit to boot up as if they were the new owner, starting up the Mac for the first time and being asked to set up their account and register with Apple. I seem to recall a little utility script that one runs to make this so, or a start-up preference that needs deleting. Does this make sense, or ring a bell with anyone? If so, let me know. Thanks in advance for any input. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
On 8/2/10 4:42 PM, glen wrote: Need I new monitor. My old 20 LCD Dell is on life support. No complaints got used as a gift many years ago. My budget is in the $150 range and the primary use is for graphic arts (commercial but not too color sensitive) and secondarily for general web browsing/email. If colour reproduction isn't too critical, then sure, the panel will work. But for accurate colour reproduction, last I heard, only the most expensive LCD panels will almost match the accuracy of a good CRT. First question, which would be the better 780p or 1080p. I think this has to do with visual lines per inch. I assume the higher p the better but really don't know. As others have said, the p refers to the display scan method used. i = interlaced, p = progressive. The numbers to the left of that refer to the vertical resolution. As these are standardized, 720 refers to a resolution of 1280×720 and 1080 is 1920x1080. I have not seen a display, or video card for that matter, that has an interlaced option in years. Just about any thing you might look at currently is progressive. My suggestion, when looking at reviews, treat them as you would any other monitor you are researching. Look at the colour accuracy, refresh rate, connectivity and resolution. Ignore the whole 1080/720 p/i thing, it's being used more for marketing than anything else, especially considering that with some displays (and televisions), the bold print may say 720p, but when you look at the fine print, it says that it can accept and display a 720p signal, but the actual resolution is less. And as 720/1080 is a television standard, it's pretty safe to disregard it when looking at a monitor. (IMO, of course) Consider that the display I'm looking at now, an old dell 2005 ultrasharp widescreen has a native resolution of 1680x1050, which is more than enough for 720p. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Install script for fresh OS install?
On Aug 2, 10:38 pm, DLC dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Greetings all, I hope my description is accurate to the point that it rings a bell. I do remember this being briefly chatted up on this list, but I can't come up with the correct syntax to register a winning query. Here goes: etc I seem to recall a little utility script that one runs to make this so, or a start-up preference that needs deleting. Does this make sense, or ring a bell with anyone? If so, let me know. Thanks in advance for any input. Best regards, Dana On 8/2/10 11:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer of joetaxpaye...@gmail.com sent That will happen on its own, with a new install. I just did some drive swaps, and wanted to made a new one the main OS drive, so I started from scratch. Big welcome screen and all. Hi Joe, Thanks for the response. Yes, I know that, a fresh install provides the welcome procedure. I just wanted the new user to experience the same thing after I had finished with the updates. Maybe not..? Thanks again, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
