Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I've looked at the Sonnet Tempo HD PCI card (part # THD-MW). A question: What does Bootability - Not supported mean? Not (gulp) what seems the most obvious, that you couldn't boot up from a drive connected to it, right? That wouldn't be good. Especially after I was so proud of myself for picking up on the fact that I'd need cables to go along with the card. Those ATA cards all model the attached devices as if they were SCSI. In most cases, at least in the cases where the controlling firmware was licensed from Firmkek, the actual originator of ATA add-on cards for Macs, the attached devices are bootable, just as SCSI drives are fully bootable. It could be that Sonnet wrote their own firmware, possibly to save the license fees from Firmtek, and equally possibly they took some shortcuts. Whatever the real reason, the Firmtek-licensed cards are bootable, and so also are the ACARD cards, which use their own firmware, but which is architecturally compatible with Firmtek's. Indeed, Firmtek made some boo-boos in its SCSI implementation, which ACARD duplicated in order to be compatible. You can initialize a drive on an ACARD card and subsequently transport it to a Firmtek-licensed card and it will be plug-and-play. Needless to say, I don't buy Sonnet's products because they tend to cut corners and produce products with incompatibilities or other obvious limitations. Many non-Mac drive controller cards can be used on a Mac but you can't boot from them. This is because the ROM on the board (if any) doesn't have code for a Mac. To be bootable the card needs a Mac compatible ROM. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Clark Martin wrote: Many non-Mac drive controller cards can be used on a Mac but you can't boot from them. This is because the ROM on the board (if any) doesn't have code for a Mac. To be bootable the card needs a Mac compatible ROM. This is true, but . . . if any competent programmer would look into the source code for XPostFacto, the key innovation of XPostFacto was the ability to start the boot process on one bootable hardware device, and load some of the extensions that will enable another unbootable hardware device, and then hand-off the boot to this other normally unbootable device. In XPostFacto this is called the Helper Disk boot option, and it's extremely useful for making normally unbootable PCI cards such as PCI Firewire cards or PCI ATA cards bootable. This means that theoretically ANY unbootable card or device could be made bootable by a simple little program that does what XPostFacto does. I wish someone would get the XPostFacto source and write a new little universal application called something like Boot Helper that would do just this, and make all these cheap but unbootable PC-version cards bootable in all Macs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: On Dec 26, 7:16 pm, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: I have two Sawtooths which I equipped with Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI cards. They support drives larger than 128GB. No Voodoo. The cards extended the usefulness of these G4s. I've looked at the Sonnet Tempo HD PCI card (part # THD-MW). A question: What does Bootability - Not supported mean? Not (gulp) what seems the most obvious, that you couldn't boot up from a drive connected to it, right? That wouldn't be good. Especially after I was so proud of myself for picking up on the fact that I'd need cables to go along with the card. Sean I've been booting from these cards with no problem. Just specify startup disk in Preferences or startup with option key held down. I've never had problems with these cards - they are completely transparent. My choice of Sonnet brand has nothing to do with research into technical matters such as firmware. They were offered by a supplier I have been using for years - macsales.com (Otherworld Computing) - and I knew I would be able to return them if I had any problems. I've had two in operation on two G4s for at least 3 years. Dale -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
I just received a Yikes! G4 Mac, with 768MB RAM and a 433MHz processor. I would like some feedback on some recommended upgrades. I am planning on converting this system into a Linux server of some kind, preferably Yellow Dog Linux, and I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? Or would I be better off in just buying a Quicksilver? :P Thanks in advance! -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? I'm not a Yikes expert, but my understanding is that a Yikes is almost identical to a late BW G3, and when you upgrade the CPU to 1 GHz you're required to underclock the system bus from 100MHz back to 66MHz, so the net gain isn't as great as it might appear. I believe the CPU:bus ratio is limited to 6:1 maximum when running at 100MHz, so this means the max. full speed CPU would be a 600MHz G4. I think when underclocked to 66MHz you can get a 10x ratio, so perhaps a 1.2GHz G4 would be possible if they made one, but I don't think they ever made such I thing? The Yikes isn't the best Mac for upgrading, but all PPC PowerMacs are looking pretty slow and expensive in relation to cheap PC hackintoshes running Snow Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:42 AM, TRGPN WebMaster wrote: --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Not so. In its simplest terms, you need a separate volume for each OS you want to run on your computer. Use the system preference Startup Disk to select the system you want to run. Darn,, I was polishing up the old eMac 700, anticipating sales. Happy New Year! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Help Me Please!
OK, 2 questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
Op 29-dec-2010, om 15:52 heeft Stephen Conrad het volgende geschreven: OK, 2½ questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be used again? which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? 1) Water and a soft towel?? Don't use a key combo: go to terminal and type reboot (as super user) or sudo reboot (as normal user) and give your user password. 2) Again go to the terminal and type eject (root) or sudo eject as normal user. --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Erik Harperink hbharper...@quicknet.nlwrote: Op 29-dec-2010, om 15:52 heeft Stephen Conrad het volgende geschreven: OK, 2½ questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be used again? which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? 1) Water and a soft towel?? Don't use a key combo: go to terminal and type reboot (as super user) or sudo reboot (as normal user) and give your user password. On my Apple KB I used the key combo to reboot. :) 2) Again go to the terminal and type eject (root) or sudo eject as normal user. Neither ejected the CD-ROM --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
Op 29-dec-2010, om 16:19 heeft Stephen Conrad het volgende geschreven: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Erik Harperink hbharper...@quicknet.nl wrote: Op 29-dec-2010, om 15:52 heeft Stephen Conrad het volgende geschreven: OK, 2½ questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be used again? which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? 1) Water and a soft towel?? Don't use a key combo: go to terminal and type reboot (as super user) or sudo reboot (as normal user) and give your user password. On my Apple KB I used the key combo to reboot. :) 2) Again go to the terminal and type eject (root) or sudo eject as normal user. Neither ejected the CD-ROM Hi Stephen, I'll post your question on the MacFreak discussion forum and see if anyone else can come up with an answer. Erik --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, 2 questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? Here is a good link if the keyboard is clear Pro Keyboard. I also soak in 99.9% alcohol and give plenty of dry time. http://www.sterpin.net/uk/prokeyboarduk.htm 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? Hold down the mouse key while booting. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
At 8:52 AM -0600 12/29/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? Yea, that's right, blame it on the cat. Let's face it - you're *terrible* staff. If you'd been doing your job you would have been petting her not farking around on some computer. And what's the deal with the aspertame being near your computer? That stuff is TOXIC! Get it OUT of your HOME! Don't even think of suiing your cat. That's simply unacceptable. WRT using the keyboard again... damp cloth, maybe some rubbing alcohol, might work. Depends on how far the liquid got into the electronics while it had power. You *did* unplug the thing as soon as the spill occurred, right? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? None of the Logitech keyboards I've used can boot a Mac. They just don't have the logic for it. 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? My Logitech has a nice eject button in the upper right corner. But like all the other special buttons, it only works when LCC is running. You could just drag the disc to the trash. Or do a 'diskutil eject' command from Terminal. Or boot and hold down the mouse button... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
At 4:23 PM +0100 12/29/2010, Erik Harperink wrote: Again go to the terminal and type eject (root) or sudo eject as normal user. Neither ejected the CD-ROM I'll post your question on the MacFreak discussion forum and see if anyone else can come up with an answer. The answer is to use the proper command diskutil eject devicename The command man diskutil will give details. There is no 'eject' command in the shell. There is, however, one in the firmware... easier to just hold down the mouse button tho. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, 2 questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? Here is a good link if the keyboard is clear Pro Keyboard. I also soak in 99.9% alcohol and give plenty of dry time. http://www.sterpin.net/uk/prokeyboarduk.htm It says Apple USB Keyboard Model No. M2452 AP94903WHGX 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? Hold down the mouse key while booting. Will try that next time I reboot (I just did earlier) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
At 7:02 AM -0800 12/29/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Here is a good link if the keyboard is clear Pro Keyboard. I also soak in 99.9% alcohol and give plenty of dry time. A good point there. Daubing spots with rubbing alcohol, plus dry time, is ok. But to really do the job heavily, rubbing alcohol is Bad -- too much water. So go with the real thing... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Dec 29, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Dan wrote: At 7:02 AM -0800 12/29/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Here is a good link if the keyboard is clear Pro Keyboard. I also soak in 99.9% alcohol and give plenty of dry time. A good point there. Daubing spots with rubbing alcohol, plus dry time, is ok. But to really do the job heavily, rubbing alcohol is Bad -- too much water. So go with the real thing... And of course there is good ol' WD-40... JT Banks Forced to Forgive Credit Card Debt Find Out How Much of Your Debt Can Be Erased. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d1b62f4333d73a576cst05vuc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? A while back (August ??) someone had a post on the G-3-5-list which explained how to add an eject icon to the OS X top menu bar. The instructions were to look in System\Library\CoreServices\Menu Extras and double click on Eject.menu. This should add an eject icon to the menu bar which you can use to eject a disc. As for rebooting, I'm confused. Does pressing the power on/off button no longer bring up the shutdown dialog? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: As for rebooting, I'm confused. Does pressing the power on/off button no longer bring up the shutdown dialog? DUH! I'm an idiot. Here I am explaining how to add an eject icon to the menu bar and I completely forget that there is also a Shut Down selection in the Apple icon's pull-down menu. Guess I'm just too used to using the power button to do it ... -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Dec 29, 9:52 am, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? The easiest way is to put the Eject icon in your menubar, then you can easily control the open/close/eject functions. Navigate to System Library CoreServices Menu Extras, double-click on the icon called Eject.menu; you will see an eject icon appear in your menubar. I don't know about the whole world but bunnies were on the verge of taking over my yard until I started grilling them- tastes like chicken! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 7:18 am, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? If yoi can find a used Sonnet 500 mHz for under $25 it might be worthwhile. I know it doesn't sound like much of a spped bump but you get a larger cache with the Sonnet hence better performance. Also, max out the RAM to 1 GB. See if anyone has an ATTO SCSI card and a 15K SCSI hard drive for sale cheap. I set up a YIKES! with those mods for a friend of mine and it's been running well for the past 5 years, giving her internet access, email, iTunes, word processing, etc. with 10.4.11 as the OS. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Help Me Please!
-Original Message- From: Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com Sent: December 29, 2010 8:52 AM To: g3-5-list g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Help Me Please! OK, 2 questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? I believe that on a non-Apple keyboard, holding down the F12 key will eject the CD. Don't just press it-you need to hold it down for a few seconds. I don't think F12 works that way on Apple keyboards. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Eric Volker wrote: 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? I believe that on a non-Apple keyboard, holding down the F12 key will eject the CD. Don't just press it-you need to hold it down for a few seconds. I don't think F12 works that way on Apple keyboards. On keyboards without a dedicated eject key F12 does. In 10.4 or later you have to hold the key down for a couple seconds, otherwise you simply activate Dashboard. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: I have a Sonnet Encore ST/G4 Duet that has dual 1.3 GHz G4s in it. It should work well with your PowerMac. $200 shipped? Will not work on his Yikes PCI G4. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
Op 29-dec-2010, om 15:52 heeft Stephen Conrad het volgende geschreven: OK, 2 questions 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? In the meantime I am on a new Logitech K120 USb KB. On this beastie (actually it is rather nice) which key combo do I use to reboot? 2) I tried to eject a CD and no go. Which key ejects CDs? If that does not work how can I manually eject this CD? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval Two replies from the MacFreak discussion forum (translated from Dutch into English): Spilling coke and rebooting and ejecting the cd. What have you done joh! Spiliing coke: rinse in water (yes, detach keyboard !) and for the time being leave to try in a warm spot for at least two weeks. A new ketboard ($ 30) may be an easier fix in these circumstances. Rebooten: PRAM-reset CD uitwerpen: restart mac and keep mouse button pressed . Second reply: Coke, immediately rinse with lukewarm water. Current needs to be switched off, so with a USB keyboard untie cable, and with a wireless keyboard take out the batteries. And don't wait too long before doing so. Dry the keyboard, and leave it for 2 days in a warm spot. 2 weeks is indeed a long time... --- Darwin powermacg3series.local 8.10.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.10.0: Wed May 23 16:50:59 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.21.3~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
At 8:03 PM +0100 12/29/2010, Erik Harperink wrote: Spiliing coke: rinse in water (yes, detach keyboard !) and for the time being leave to try in a warm spot for at least two weeks. Dry the keyboard, and leave it for 2 days in a warm spot. 2 weeks is indeed a long time... Two days? Two weeks? ROFL Water apparently takes a long time to evaporate in some areas on the planet! I guess it's kind of like the way electrons flow at different speeds off motherboards, when people are told to pull their PRAM battery for 5 minutes, 15 minutes, two hours, overnight, Ahh. It's all relative. /me quietly tosses dice around - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 6:18 am, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I just received a Yikes! G4 Mac, with 768MB RAM and a 433MHz processor. I would like some feedback on some recommended upgrades. I am planning on converting this system into a Linux server of some kind, preferably Yellow Dog Linux, and I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? Or would I be better off in just buying a Quicksilver? :P Thanks in advance! If your needs are modest, a Yikes! will do as a file server. However, a Yikes in general does not make a good file server. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, I believe the maximum hard drive that can be installed without add-ons is 120GB PATA drive. Second problem is that the IDE bus on the Yikes maxes out at 33MB/s, which can be slow for a modern hard drive. Your upgrade options are also limited. A PATA bus by itself is an issue; the PATA drives still available tend to be small and expensive. The fastest G4 upgrade I've seen for this model is 500Mhz, though there may well be others available. As you've noted, there is a 1GHz G3 available, which may be fine for a file server. The controller configuration is also not ideal for RAID. If I had to convert this to a file server, I'd put in a SATA hardware RAID card, assuming I could find a Linux driver to support it. I think anything you spend on this machine would automatically be more than its worth. A Quicksilver 2002 would be a far superior investment, since it supports large PATA drives out of the box. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
I think anything you spend on this machine would automatically be more than its worth. A Quicksilver 2002 would be a far superior investment, since it supports large PATA drives out of the box. QS 2002s are great machines. Also QS 2001s and DAs. For some of the later G4s it is NOT required to install an ATA card in order to access large drives. Simply install the LBA48 property using Open Firmware. I ran my DAs for years and years that way and not even once did the persistent LBA48 property require resetting. I used that property on both the HD bus and the optical bus, as my optical bus (slave) was usually employed to initialize new drives or to test old drives. If considering a SATA card, which is probably a good idea as PATA maxes out at 750 GB, then try and find an Initio-based card. Those are bootable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
Stephen Conrad wrote: 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? I don't believe that US law allows one to file suit against a keyboard. ;-) Smart-arse, Drew -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Erik Harperink hbharper...@quicknet.nl wrote: A new keyboard ($ 30) may be an easier fix in these circumstances. Not sure if these are a match for what the OP needs, but amazon marketplace has some sellers offering used keyboards for $15-$20 (And for more of course. You can always pay more if you want. ;-) http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Translucent-97-Key-Keyboard-PowerMac/dp/B000EQFQI6 FWIW (which may well be nothing), -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
On Dec 29, 6:52 am, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? The good part is that it's a diet drink - no sugar. It sounds extreme, but a very effective way to clear keyboard spills is to put the kb upside down on the upper rack of the dishwasher and run it through a cycle. Dry it out thoroughly, as others have advised, and it's perfectly fine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
It sounds extreme, but a very effective way to clear keyboard spills is to put the kb upside down on the upper rack of the dishwasher and run it through a cycle. Dry it out thoroughly, as others have advised, and it's perfectly fine. The dishwasher works fine for me if I disassemble the keyboard first and give a long time to dry. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help Me Please!
Hey wipe it down real good, and take a cloth with water (damp) and clean the soda off, then let it dry good. It should work fine. --- On Wed, 12/29/10, Andrew Liu Anderson ma...@lonepineradio.net wrote: From: Andrew Liu Anderson ma...@lonepineradio.net Subject: Re: Help Me Please! To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 5:07 PM Stephen Conrad wrote: 1) Kitty dumped Diet Pepsi on my (Mac) USB KB. How should I clean it so it can be sued again? I don't believe that US law allows one to file suit against a keyboard. ;-) Smart-arse, Drew -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
