Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 6, 2011, at 10:54 PM, admin wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/ USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. Some external Firewire/USB 2.0 cases have chipsets that are problematic with Mac OS X. Knowing the exact make and model of the enclosure; or the PID VID (from System Profiler) of the Firewire USB 2.0 bridge chipsets might lead to a firmware update that could possibly solve your issue, but the chances of this is very low. Most of the bad Firewire chipsets aren't fixable with firmware. The problematic USB 2.0 chipsets have upgrades, but the upgrades require Windows. I would try DiskWarrior under both Firewire and USB 2.0 to see if it makes a difference. Firewire is generally MUCH better than USB 2.0, but certain Firewire chipsets such as those from Genesys Logic just will not work with OS X. Likewise, there are certain USB 2.0 chipsets that have early firmware versions that are very flakey in OS X, and can sometimes be improved to achieve functionality. There may even be a firmware update for the HD itself, but these are very rare and the chances are unlikely. You may have a bad drive that's unsalvageable. If you can attach the drive to an ATA bus rather than the external enclosure you can get a S.M.A.R.T. report on the HD status using something like SMARTReporter. In my experience any drive that fails a SMART test is bad, but some drives that pass a SMART test are also bad. Bad is bad, but good isn't necessarily good. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple_ARM ?
An opinion. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-dumping-intel-for-arm-pros-cons-and-a-lot-of-questions/48419?tag=nl.e589 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
Wow! If Apple goes to ARM on laptops, wouldn't that be like going back to the PowerPC. I know that the times are different today and that ARM is way better off than PowerPC was in 2005 as far as Apple is concerned, but still, what would the performance of say future equivalent of MacBook pro be? And what will they stick into MacPros and iMacs? Is there a ARM chip in the roadmap that can match current Xeon generation? Is there even a ARM chip that can match PowerPC 970gx? I just hope that Apple knows what they are doing, and that they are not going to abandon their technical and academic community in favor of normal users, who just use Apple products out of fashion or because they don't like Windows. Think again, Apple! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Thanks for the suggestions. On May 7, 2011, at 2:32 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Greetings Can we assume that this configuration did work and that it has failed recently or is this something that has been added? If the drive did work and has recently failed, what has changed or been changed in your platform? Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On May 6, 8:54 pm, admin oneluc...@mac.com wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 7, 2011, at 12:14 PM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings Can we assume that this configuration did work and that it has failed recently or is this something that has been added? If the drive did work and has recently failed, what has changed or been changed in your platform? Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? ... or reseating and/or replacing the ATA/IDE cable from the computer to the drive. Just sounds like a drive that's at the end of its life. : ( -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
If Apple goes to ARM on laptops, wouldn't that be like going back to the PowerPC. I know that the times are different today and that ARM is way better off than PowerPC was in 2005 as far as Apple is concerned, but still, what would the performance of say future equivalent of MacBook pro be? And what will they stick into MacPros and iMacs? Is there a ARM chip in the roadmap that can match current Xeon generation? Is there even a ARM chip that can match PowerPC 970gx? IBM has expended considerable $$$ on the Power. For Apple, they stopped at Generation 5 (AKA, G5), but IBM is way past Generation 7 now, and almost everybody who is anybody is incorporating Power processors as cores within their own silicon. In fact, the largest network routers use Power. And, my SUV has fiver Power processors in its various control systems. It would make more sense to go back to Power for desktops, but Apple will not do that. No, I expect that ARM will be used on phones and tablets and possibly on extra-low-power-consumption laptops, but not on conventional laptops nor on desktops. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
At 13:49 +0200 5/7/11, Matevzť Markovicť wrote: Wow! If Apple goes to ARM on laptops, wouldn't that be like going back to the PowerPC. I know that the times are different today and that ARM is way better off than PowerPC was in 2005 as far as Apple is concerned, but still, what would the performance of say future equivalent of MacBook pro be? And what will they stick into MacPros and iMacs? Is there a ARM chip in the roadmap that can match current Xeon generation? Is there even a ARM chip that can match PowerPC 970gx? The ARM chips do not have the AltaVec stacked arithmetic capability that the Gx series have. The idea is that vector operations which have a lot of identical processes applied to a list of values can be stacked up to that after, say 100 , clock pulses a new result comes out for each clock pulse, with a 100 pulse overall delay. That's very useful to scientists, engineers, and three-D games. Modern Intel chips don't have that either. It turns out that threaded processing available on video plug-in boards behaves in a similar fashion and it's possible to pass off mathematics to the video board in a way that's similar to AltaVec. It's what makes those 3-D views in the games react to a mouse or game control unit. S. It looks like Intel with plug-in cards can multiply quickly. Probably not so for portables. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
So Apple will just stick to intel on high-performance models, while using ARM for everything else? That seems too optimistic to be true... that would mean that Apple would have to develop 2 parallel versions of OS X at the same time, one for ARM and other for Intel. This actually is nothing new, Apple is messing with multiple different architectures at the same time for the last 20 years (if not more), so they have vast experiences in that field. Anyway, I would love to see old-new PowerPCs in modern macs, but that is not going to happen, I am afraid... As it was said, IBM is past 7th generation, but Power architecture is meant for high-performance computing, not for laptops and iMacs. Apple has actually the ability to build high-performance PowerPCs (from PASemi), but I do not think that they are going to use this. Btw. I thought that SSE3 has everything that Altivec offers. Can you explain a little bit more, please? Matevž -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
At 8:37 AM + 5/7/2011, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: An opinion. [zdnet link] LOL. This was all done in the press as minor stories back in January. It's only now that they've picked it up again during this slow news cycle. Ok... The facts: ARM is an up and coming architecture whoze implementation is getting faster and faster with each generation. However, it is currently 32-bit only. Back in January, at CES in Las Vegas, ARM made the announcement that they're going 64-bit and their intention is to get into the server-grade processor market. ETA for delivery is a year or less. At that same CES, Microsoft announced they're going to port Windoze to ARM. No ETA commitment. A few microseconds later, a loud *plotz* was heard from one end of Intel's management to the other, and the higher mucketies probably choked on their skittles. So much for the facts. Now the guesswork, however founded it may be: Apple has little tolerance for companies that fail to make their commitments. eg: It is believed the main reason for the switch to Intel x86 is that IBM/Moto/Freescale fell behind their own delivery commitments, unable to produce faster low-power (laptop) class processors etc. eg2: Last year's MBA had the same'ole Core 2 Duo a second time around. hum. Apple's experience with the 68x-ppc and ppc-x86 transitions have given it the tools necessary to make moving onto another platform s easy. IOW, Apple is pretty much architecture independent. All that matters is performance - speed and power. Of course, that makes Intel's recent 3d transistor announcement silly hype. The bottom line is what's fastest. iOS is based on a stripped down fork of Mac OS X. And quite a few touch-screen type features are being moved from iOS into Lion (OS X 10.7). ETA this summer. Now, why would Apple have any interest in maintaining *two* operating systems? That's a lot of unnecessary work! And remember that patent for the touch-screen iMac? Yea, baby! After Lion, or perhaps during Lion's life cycle, there will be a complete merge of iOS' features into OS X. So... The state of the art by this summer will be... 32-bit ARM at the low end, and 64-bit Sandy Bridge x86 at the high end. Atom is a joke. Ivy Bridge is coming. Faster ARM is coming. 64-bit ARM is coming! My bet: IF Intel gets its butt in gear and is on time delivering Ivy Bridge and its follow-ons -- ie, faster low power x86 processors, then Apple will stick with them. But if Intel blinks, and 64-bit ARM beats one of their that x86 generation, Apple will move ARM into the MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac lines during the next release cycles. That's right... iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac will become the same product line, +/- a few peripherals and a dock. As to the speculation of who fabricates what... pt. Doesn't matter. ARM makes no chips! All that fabrication is out-sourced anyway, generation by generation. As Atom fails, Intel will have more and more fabrication capacity available. Bidding war. Yea, Intel will make ARM processors for whoever pays. *yawn* - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
About your bet, Dan, what do you think will happen to the Mac Pro line? At the time I see no alternative to Xeon Nehalems. The reason I am concerned about this is because I use computers also to compute number sequences and there you need all the power you can get. And more cores mean more intervals at the same time, where current 12-core Mac Pro is clearly the winner. Well, current gen. Mac Pro is still somehow out of reach for me :) I can theorise about such computers but in real life I use my humble PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.25, which is, if you ask me, one of the best computers of all times (next to PowerBook G3) :D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Earlier this year I was hit with a power surge that did a lot of damage. Part of the damage included a fried Sonnet Tempo ata 133 card and two dead seagate drives. I bought a new tempo card and I found a seller on eBay that sells used circuit boards for hard drives for 39.99 a piece. Fortunately, the power surge only fried the circuit board and I was able to find replacement boards for both drives. Replacing the circuit boards is very easy. There are six screws that bolt them to the hard drive. The seller provides a little torx screwdriver. So the mechanically inclined part mostly requires operating a srcewdriver and not loosing the screws. I assume you know how to futz around inside your computer and swap hard drives. Once the circuit board is swapped I put the dead HD in a firewire enclosure and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the data to a new hard drive. The involved part is matching the model number, batch number, the date, etc, and the ten digit number on the big controller chip. Once you have matches in all the categories the seller checks to see if they have a matching board. If you're lucky and have the 39.99 your problem may be solved. I don't have the sellers site available at the moment, but I could look for it if you want. Mark Murphy On May 6, 11:54 pm, admin oneluc...@mac.com wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
I think it has just gone bad unfortunately. There used to be a delay in accessing the drive that I thought was the drive being asleep. It was inside my QS2002 as second. Have tried with the Newertech Swiss Army connector, whatever they call it, and a good quality external Firewire case, with pin removed (single state). Surprisingly, perhaps, the only program I have success with in grabbing a drive that no other could was the old Norton Disk Doctor under SystemWorks. Norton stopped supporting in Panther. On May 7, 2011, at 12:14 PM, gifutiger wrote: Have you tried plugging the drive directly into one of the internal Disk Drive slots? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
I agree. One per 26 years isn't too bad ... but I didn't have a duplicate. On May 7, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Just sounds like a drive that's at the end of its life. : ( -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Mark, thanks for that info. I might try that. On May 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, smac0031 wrote: Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Il giorno 7-05-2011 5:54, admin ha scritto: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop I just had a WD 250GB drive intermittently failing... it began making a TAK sound at startup, sometimes not mounting (so no boot, Mac showing flashing folder icon), sometimes booting and working ok. When the TAK sound became more frequent, I got scared and copied everything to another drive. A subsequent check showed a damaged (and unrecoverable) partition, so yes, the drive was failing. Lucky me, I had enough time to backup. Even if your drive is failing (and it seems it is), trying several times could perhaps give you a one time lucky shot, when you can recover something (unless there's something broken in hardware). Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Funny thing... if Disk Utility can't recognize (see) the drive, no other program should. Did you check if the drive is seen in System Profiler? Have you tried Drive Genius? It seems quite powerful. Have in external Firewire/USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Having it connected internally is usually better for testing/recovering. When using an external case, go for FW and avoid USB (slower, less reliable) Did you try recovering it while connected internally? Cable select make any difference? Don't think so. And the only time I used Cable Select (in a G4), I got hard disk troubles, so I'd avoid it. Surprisingly, perhaps, the only program I have success with in grabbing a drive that no other could was the old Norton Disk Doctor under SystemWorks. I agree. Sometimes Norton (under OS9) did wonder. Can you still boot in OS9 to try it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
itunes
PM G4 933 10.4.11 iTunes 9.2.1 Hi everyone. iTunes plays fine but if I go to burn a cd, I get The application iTunes quit unexpectedly. Tried a few times.This is something new but I have not changed much on the Mac recently. My Superdrive is new (Pioneer DVR 118L) but have used it plenty over the past few months with no problems so far. I see this in system log: May 5 08:15:28 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer crashdump[846]: iTunes crashed May 5 08:13:21 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer /Applications/iTunes.app/ Contents/MacOS/iTunes: CGSImageCreateWithDevice: Invalid device image May 5 08:13:21 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer /Applications/iTunes.app/ Contents/MacOS/iTunes: ripc_DrawWindowContents - Cannot acquire window image Any idea's? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Wells Fargo, Numbers and Appleworks
When I try to paste a number of transactions into Numbers it pastes them all into one cell. So right now my OP is to paste first into Appleworks, then recopy/ paste into Numbers. Have you tried, when pasting from AppleWorks into Numbers, EditPaste and Match Style? Seems to me that should get your spreadsheet all set up in Numbers just like it is in AppleWorks. Tested and works here for me with my own example, anyway - formulas and all. Select an area of cells - size doesn't matter - before pasting. I do like the budget pies Numbers provides. Nifty way to see what's eating up my budget alive. Quicken offers budget pies. You can download statements from your bank into Quicken as well. Not that there's anything wrong with spreadsheet DIY. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0 FW800, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
Valter, thanks all for the ideas. Yes, I am still hoping for a one lucky mount and copy. On May 7, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: I had to remove the bad drive from the internal ATA chain so the computer would boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
At 12:35 AM +0200 5/8/2011, MatevÏ Markoviã wrote: About your bet, Dan, what do you think will happen to the Mac Pro line? It's going to be a few years before ARM can compete with the high end Core line, if ever. And I doubt L'Jobs will bless us with a Power based system. The reason I am concerned about this is because I use computers also to compute number sequences and there you need all the power you can get. And more cores mean more intervals at the same time, where current 12-core Mac Pro is clearly the winner. From your description, GUI is moot - so there's no requirement for OS X. A 12 core machine is nice, but quite limited for serious computing. Think GPUs, Grid, and Cloud. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
