Re: Help with Mac OS9 Drivers, running in OS-X/Classic
Thanks Bruce - it is working just fine on OS9, I was just seeing if there was a 'fix' to pop this thing into a window in OS-X, and it doesn't look like it is possible. National Instruments does provide a developers toolkit, so one could I guess in theory write one, but it's probably not worth the effort as the ap runs just fine in OS9. The ap will not run in OS-X natively, so that is out. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
What is going on here is the long known fact that Microsoft is a SOFTWARE company not a hardware company and Apple is BOTH SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE company. You sure can be sure that Apple has NO INTENTION of letting ANY of its software run on all this hardware that IS NOT APPLE and that Apple did not make a profit selling it. Put another way: Money, Money, Money, fool. Now would you really blame them? I sure would. But they got the codes we do not. And Bruce points out, that is complete paranoid BS based on a total misunderstanding of what EFI and TPM actually are. As Apple moves into bigger market share, soon you will find Apple programs that are far superior to Microsoft and the public will start migrating toward Apple to replace Microsoft. The only sad part here is we are talking years and years and prices that people will pay to keep the virus problem out and the ease of use in. It is just a matter of money. JML --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Subject: Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 9:46 AM On May 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ralph Green wrote: I called Apple hardware treacherous. I did not come up with that term. It is widely used, No it isn't because you're the only person I've ever read or heard making that claim. because Apple sells hardware that obeys Apple and not the person who owns the computer. That is complete paranoid BS based on a total misunderstanding of what EFI and TPM actually are. If what you say is true, it should be trivial for you to point to me the place on Apple's website where they have the 'Linux Enablers' available for download. Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On May 13, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: If you believe that EFI is some great conspiracy to prevent you from running another OS on a Mac it is YOU who doesn't understand what EFI is. I believe he's referring to TPM, not EFI. My understanding of TPM is that it's a set of cryptographic keys that prevents software from running on any untrusted system (meaning, unapproved hardware). If Apple controls the keys, then the argument is that Apple owns the computer they sold you. In labor relations, there's something known as a lock out, which the NFL is on the cusp of having now. I know it's highly unlikely, but from a theoretical standpoint Apple could lockout the owners of Intel Macs. PPC Macs would still be playing ball because our playing field has no locks or keys. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
Bruce, EFI is fine. BIOS had major problems, since it runs in real mode. It is TPM that is the problem. Apple certainly used TPM on their early x86 hardware. If they have removed it, that is a good thing. I will have to search for some real evidence on that matter. Ralph On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 07:29 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Ralph Green wrote: but the fact that Apple releases enablers to allow other operating systems to run seems to indicate that the TPM is really there and implemented. Apple releases Windows drivers for it's hardware, not 'enablers for other operating systems'; BootCamp is just a bootloader. There is no 'enabler for Linux'...you can take ANY Linux distro for X86 and install it on a Mac; you need nothing from Apple. Some hardware may not work well, pending driver issues, but that's true of lots of hardware. If you believe that EFI is some great conspiracy to prevent you from running another OS on a Mac it is YOU who doesn't understand what EFI is. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
Sorry Alex, I was refering to the fact that MS has some 90+% of the business and military market based upon the programs running that are owned as the creator by MS. So as to have been a fly on the wall in Apples core meetings, it was clear that the way to increase market is to change chip sets and at the same time gain speed. You got to give these CORE meetings much, much, more respect, they ARE LOOKING 10 20 and more years ahead and sure have planned a course that will allow take over of most of them 90% you see now, because Apple has a better product. It is clearly a business decision, money goes where the best return is gained and in the computer world that will soon be with Apple as the non apple (MS) users are learning cheap gets you in, but the costs kill you and as they look at Apple and see the quality built in with no costs, hey, they will come, they will come. JML --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 12:25 PM That already happened. I have found that iMovie is superior to WMM and iWork is far, far superior to M$ Office (even AppleWorks is better). On May 13, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: As Apple moves into bigger market share, soon you will find Apple programs that are far superior to Microsoft and the public will start migrating toward Apple to replace Microsoft. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
