Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:15 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 13, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Ralph Green wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 09:46 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Ralph Green wrote: I called Apple hardware treacherous. I did not come up with that term. It is widely used, No it isn't because you're the only person I've ever read or heard making that claim. I think it is interesting that because you have not heard it, that you can assert it is not widely used. Here is a 5 year old reference to it. http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/55765 Read one of the original documents about treacherous computing http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html Richard Stallman is one of the giants of computer science, but he's also pretty much an extremist. Unless you are like RMS and closely examine every line of the source code for every bit of software running on your computer, at some point you have to trust the creators of the hardware and software that they are on the up-and-up. Simply asserting a worst-case-scenario and comparing it to Franklin's beloved quote about security and liberty, is engaging in deceptive hyperbole, FUD in other words. It's like arguing that roads are an intolerable infringement on your right to drive anywhere your vehicle could travel, and a tyrannical imposition on personal liberty by the treacherous state. You sure seem to like straw dog arguments. I don't assert a worst case scenario. I just avoid one. If I have 2 choices, where one leaves me in control and one gives some other person arbitrary control over my property, I pick the one where I have control. That is just rational, not extreme. I don't know what the odds of Apple trying to shut things down are. I think they are probably low, but His Steveness is such a control freak that it is naive not to consider the possibility. I have met Richard Stallman and spent time talking to him one on one. He is clearly an extremist and I disagree with him about a lot. His extremism has also benefited society quite a bit and I am grateful that he has been here. I referred to him as just one example that I did not invent the terms you acted like I did. Do you at least see that I did not coin the phrase treacherous computing and I am not alone in using the terminology? You said I was the only person you had heard or read making that claim and I pointed you to evidence. I work mostly within the open source community and I do hear the phrase fairly often. If you doubt that Apple uses TPM, read about it: http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/ Yes. Also read where it says, and I quote: No TPM for You! Next! At the time of this writing (October 2006), the newest Apple computer models, such as the MacPro and possibly the revised MacBook Pro and the revised iMac, do not contain an onboard Infineon TPM. Apple could bring the TPM back, perhaps, if there were enough interest (after all, it is increasingly common to find TPMs in current notebook computers), but that's another story. Perhaps Apple has removed TPM. It is in their interest to say so. Apple often acts like control freaks, but they are generally honest. I already said I plan to look for confirmation of this. I'll find someone with boards I can examine, but that will take a while. I really hope that Apple has reversed their early x86 decision to use TPM and then I'll consider Apple x86 hardware. I would still say that hardware with TPM is of zero value to me, as a rule. because Apple sells hardware that obeys Apple and not the person who owns the computer. That is complete paranoid BS based on a total misunderstanding of what EFI and TPM actually are. This is so silly, I will just ignore it. It is about whether some third party can trust that you can only run software they approve of. TPM is about control and is a rather nasty thing. It has some positive aspects, but not nearly enough to balance the negatives. Only if you assume the worst case scenario all the time. I don't assume it. I just avoid it. Your arguments are, if I may drag recent politics into it, akin to the One percent doctrine Ron Suskind describes in the book of the same name, about the Bush administrations response to 9/11 and the aftermath. It is derived from a quote by vice president Cheney: if there's a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. It's not about our analysis ... It's about our response. More straw dogs. I am probably more like the elder Bush here. It would not be prudent at this juncture. I will say if there is a 1% chance of catastrophe, it would be wrong to ignore it. RMS and your arguments about TPM are engaging in the very same fearmongering. If there is any chance that
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On 10/05/11 12:50 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Jack Countryman wrote: IPC 10.5.6?? What's IPC mean here, or where do I find that version of 10.5.6? Yeah, I know...you know what you mean, but I'm not that much up to speed on this stuff anymore, and must have missed the post somewhere that talks about what IPC is in this context?(Last one I built that really worked was with the Kalyway distro...several years ago...if that gives you an idea of how far out of sync I am.) I'd really like to get a 10.6 machine going one of these times...just to show it can be done... Thanks. We are veering off into dealing with illegal torrents of altered OS X'es, which really isn't necessary. Go to these sources: http://www.tonymacx86.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a?hl=en For a wealth of information on building a Hack that DOES NOT REQUIRE altering the OS X installer; you install from the standard OS X disk. And at this point we're S far off topic, I expect the Nanny will close the thread. Thanks for the links Bruce! I looked at the tonyx86 site and I've just ordered my parts. Wish me luck! I was planning on saving up for a Mac Pro, but if this gets me to the promised land on the cheap then I'm a happy camper =). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: itunes
Just music. No new drivers available. Heard about a glitch that you have to install Burnpatch. Tried that, but the instant you click burn on itunes screen - it just quits and generates an error report for Apple. I called the people who sold me the unit. They said it's itunes problem when using 10.4 and iTunes 9.2. They recommend deleting about 25 plist files. If that doesnt work - create a new iTunes account with Apple. If that doesnt work then go to iTunes 9.1 ! On May 13, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Trinette Johnson wrote: What kinda of files are you trying to burn in iTunes? Also the drivers might need a upgrade for your device. Sent from my iPod On May 7, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: PM G4 933 10.4.11 iTunes 9.2.1 Hi everyone. iTunes plays fine but if I go to burn a cd, I get The application iTunes quit unexpectedly. Tried a few times. This is something new but I have not changed much on the Mac recently. My Superdrive is new (Pioneer DVR 118L) but have used it plenty over the past few months with no problems so far. I see this in system log: May 5 08:15:28 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer crashdump[846]: iTunes crashed May 5 08:13:21 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer /Applications/ iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes: CGSImageCreateWithDevice: Invalid device image May 5 08:13:21 Baldassare-Guzzos-Computer /Applications/ iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes: ripc_DrawWindowContents - Cannot acquire window image Any idea's? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/ netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On May 14, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I insist on no such thing. I just steer clear of it. No fear mongering is involved. Just rational analysis. Hence the use of rational, non-emotional words like 'treacherous' and 'His Steveness' and 'control freak'. 8-/ The *hardware* cannot be set to do what you claim, because the control of TPM is done by SOFTWARE. (and in software I'm including any firmware or EFI code to enable it because both EFI and firmware are re-writeable.) RMS has problems with proprietary* OS'es and TPM because they could be used to implement such controls as you describe, but the presence of a TPM chip alone can not do that. The link to the Amit Singh article with accompanying source code proves that. You can make the TPM module accept an arbitrary key pair for verification. Indeed, it should be possible to write a TPM driver that ensures that only truly GPL'ed and open code can run. It would involve some seriously gnarly (gnu-rly?) key management and verification stuff and require servers to do that (akin to PGP key exchanges and trust relationships) but it could be done. GPL violations could be handled by revocation of the key. Boom! Violating code no longer runs. It's like turning the Empire's strength against it. So to speak. 8-P *well,aside from his problems with proprietary software, full stop. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: itunes
On May 14, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: Just music. No new drivers available. Heard about a glitch that you have to install Burnpatch. Tried that, but the instant you click burn on itunes screen - it just quits and generates an error report for Apple. I called the people who sold me the unit. They said it's itunes problem when using 10.4 and iTunes 9.2. They recommend deleting about 25 plist files. If that doesnt work - create a new iTunes account with Apple. If that doesnt work then go to iTunes 9.1 ! Before you go to this extreme, create a new user account, toss some songs into the iTunes library and see if you can burn there or still get the error. If you can burn there, the issue is with something local to your user account: preferences, a corrupted iTunes library, a corrupted music file (although ones that prevent burning don't play well, either) If you still have the problems it may be related to iTunes or the system. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: itunes
On May 14, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: Ok. Created a new user account and everything worked. Now where else do I look? Deleted plist files. Anything else I'm missing? How do I locate the corrupted files? First I'd rebuild your iTunes library: First try this, in case it's just the database: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1451 The other way is more laborious: back up all your music files, delete the itunes library in your account and drag the music files back from the backup into an open iTune library window. If you suspect a certain music file itself is messed up, there's always the old classic Extensions debug: create a playlist with half the songs; burn it, if it fails, take out half the songs, if it succeeds burn the other half. Rinse and repeat until you've found the offending item. Really silly question, did you try deleting and recreating the playlist with a different name? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: itunes
I did remake the playlist with a different name. I even made a few new ones with different music. None of them worked. I'll try rebuilding library next. On May 14, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 14, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: Ok. Created a new user account and everything worked. Now where else do I look? Deleted plist files. Anything else I'm missing? How do I locate the corrupted files? First I'd rebuild your iTunes library: First try this, in case it's just the database: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1451 The other way is more laborious: back up all your music files, delete the itunes library in your account and drag the music files back from the backup into an open iTune library window. If you suspect a certain music file itself is messed up, there's always the old classic Extensions debug: create a playlist with half the songs; burn it, if it fails, take out half the songs, if it succeeds burn the other half. Rinse and repeat until you've found the offending item. Really silly question, did you try deleting and recreating the playlist with a different name? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: itunes
Thanks for the good reading. On May 14, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 14, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: Ok. Created a new user account and everything worked. Now where else do I look? Deleted plist files. Anything else I'm missing? How do I locate the corrupted files? First I'd rebuild your iTunes library: First try this, in case it's just the database: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1451 The other way is more laborious: back up all your music files, delete the itunes library in your account and drag the music files back from the backup into an open iTune library window. If you suspect a certain music file itself is messed up, there's always the old classic Extensions debug: create a playlist with half the songs; burn it, if it fails, take out half the songs, if it succeeds burn the other half. Rinse and repeat until you've found the offending item. Really silly question, did you try deleting and recreating the playlist with a different name? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
