Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)?
From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2011, 19:22 Subject: Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)? At 1:05 PM -0400 6/5/2011, John Callahan wrote: My G4 works flawlessly while I am using it but if I leave it running it freezes and a message comes up that says you need to restart your computer. Anyone have any idea of what's wrong? That's a kernel panic. Check the system.log and panic log files to see exactly what died. Have you made any hardware changes to your system recently? Do you have any tasks that explicitly run when you're idle? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. - A common problem with G4 systems is sleep - when a USB2 card is fitted. Have you by any chance got a USB2 card in there? Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Beige G3 Woes
This probably belongs on the unsupported OS X group, but as I cannot get to it at the moment, I'm requesting help here. My Beige G3 has been relatively trouble-free until today. It has a Sonnet G4 500 Mhz processor and 768 MB of RAM, and, thanks to XPost Facto,has been running OS 10.4.11with a Radeon 9200 graphics card. I have OS 10.4.11 on one hard drive and OS 9.2.2 on another. This configuration has worked sinhceI first installed OS 10.2 about five years ago. Today when I tried to download a folder from my wife's USB flash drive, all hell broke loose (she has a new HP PC running Windows 7, whichI am using to send this email). Upon plugging the flash drive into my Mac, iPhoto opened in spite of my using the 'Cancel' command. After downloading the folder successfully, I tried to quit iPhoto, but it wouldn't quit, even using the "Force Quit" command (it disappeared from the desktop, but the icon and active arrow remained in the Dock). So I rebooted the computer using the control-command-power key option. The computer would not re-boot into OS 10, even after several tries (gray screen, spinning clock). SoI tried to re-boot into OS 9, holding down the "Option" key at start-up. No joy. So I dug out the OS 9 install disk, opened the DVD drawer using the old bent paper clip on the open button, and booted from the OS 9 install disk. I did a clean re-install ofOS 9.0 with the intent of reinstalling the OS 9.1, 9.2.1, and 9.2.2 upgrades, but the DVD now would not read my OS 9 upgrade CDs! So i decided to try to reinstall OS X using XPost Facto.This time the DVD read the disk andI chose the "Archive and Install" option. This worked. Now I downloaded the 10.4.11 combined update from Apple and attempted to install it, but the installer only completed a partial install and gave me a message to drag the installer from the Trash and re-run it. This was not successful; the installer crashed every time I tried to re run it. Now, when I try to start up in OS X, I get a black screen with the message "DARWIN/BSD (computer name.loc) (CONSOLE) and a log-in prompt. I have no idea what the log-in should be; I've tried ROOT and it asks for a password. I have no password, asI am the only user of this computer. After a couple of tires of this, it goes to the MAC OS X log-in screen, which looks just as it normally did, but any attempt to log-in at this point fails also, and I am taken back to the black console screen. I can reboot back into OS 9, but can't do anything further in the way of upgrades or reinstalls,as my DVD drive is now not working in OS 9! It is a Pioneer DVR-109AB, according to the label on the drive, but System Profiler reports it as a DVR-127D. It is on the ATA bus. This computer is essential to my work and it is vital that I get it running again in both OS X and OS 9. I am at my wit's end. Help! Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Woes
On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:17 PM, skyking...@verizon.net wrote: So i decided to try to reinstall OS X using XPost Facto. This time the DVD read the disk and I chose the Archive and Install option. This worked. Now I downloaded the 10.4.11 combined update from Apple and attempted to install it, but the installer only completed a partial install and gave me a message to drag the installer from the Trash and re-run it. This was not successful; the installer crashed every time I tried to re run it. That means it's a bad installer. Re-download the installer for later. You can do this on your wife's system. Now, when I try to start up in OS X, I get a black screen with the message DARWIN/BSD (computer name.loc) (CONSOLE) and a log-in prompt. I have no idea what the log-in should be; I've tried ROOT and it asks for a password. I have no password, as I am the only user of this computer. After a couple of tires of this, it goes to the MAC OS X log-in screen, which looks just as it normally did, but any attempt to log-in at this point fails also, and I am taken back to the black console screen. Your installation of OS X is hosed. Unfortunately this means that another archiveinstall may not work, BUT it's *probable* that your data is ok. If you have backups of your data, then there's not an issue: reformat the hard drive and start from scratch with OS X. Get the system working, restore your data and go on. If not, it's going to be a yugly recovery. Get another hard drive. Remove the one with OS X and your data, and put it away safely. Install OS X 10.4 on the new drive, and confirm that it is working. Update it with the re-downloaded installer. Now you'll either need an external drive enclosure for your old drive, or one of these: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=2020-OTBcpc=SCH (and the USB card to support them) Connect your old drive and copy your data back to the new one. I can reboot back into OS 9, but can't do anything further in the way of upgrades or reinstalls, as my DVD drive is now not working in OS 9! It is a Pioneer DVR-109AB, according to the label on the drive, but System Profiler reports it as a DVR-127D. It is on the ATA bus. This computer is essential to my work and it is vital that I get it running again in both OS X and OS 9. I am at my wit's end. Help! Well, frankly, if this is truly 'essential to your work' you REALLY need to have a fool proof disaster recovery plan; very few people rely entirely on computers that are in excess of ten years old to do 'essential' stuff. Simply upgrading to a G4 or G5 system (I've seen G5's advertised on the swap list for $400) would be a prudent thing to do. Also having an 'essential to my work' system dependent on a third party hack to run an unsupported OS is a risky proposition,no matter how well behaved the computer is. Also, some advice that's only useful for the future: when you're in a hole, STOP DIGGING! The first thing to do if a system won't boot into OS X is to try a safe mode boot: hold down the shift key where while it's booting up. If that doesn't fix it, boot from the system disc and use Disk Utility to check it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
So I finally got around to installing OS9 and updating the firmware. As soon as I booted into OS9, it said the Setup Assistant had crashed, with an error type 2. I went ahead and updated the firmware, and rebooted into OSX. No change. Everything still crashes. Any other ideas? -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I went ahead and updated the firmware, and rebooted into OSX. No change. Everything still crashes. Have you Safe Booted OS X? Have you run Disk UtilityVerify Disk on the HD? Have you reinstalled the latest Combo Update? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Woes
Il giorno 7-06-2011 1:17, skyking...@verizon.net ha scritto: My Beige G3 has been relatively trouble-free until today. I'm no big expert, but I'll try some suggestions (I loved my Beige G3, BTW :-). The computer would not re-boot into OS 10, even after several tries (gray screen, spinning clock). Then you tried to re-install systems. IMHO; that's a mistake: Mac OS(X) is not Windows, getting screwed every now and then. :-) You reinstall the System when you KNOW the System is broken; when this happens, usually the Mac say this, showing the Folder icon with a question mark (that mea ns I can't find a valid System). For example, if your HD is failing, reinstalling the System would likely kill it . ;-) If the hard disk got corrupted (most likely), reinstalling would only make it wo rse; better use some HD check/repair tool first. - If you can boot from a System CD/DVD, then you can try some tool to check the Mac and hard disks (Disk Utility, Disk First Aid , Apple Hardware Test, Norton, DiskWarrior...). - You could reet the Pram, holding Apple+Alt+P+R keys at boot until your hear th e bong three times. - If you had Applejack installed, you could try to boot OSX in Safe mode (hold A pple+S key at startup) and then run Applejack. I can reboot back into OS 9, but can't do anything further in the way of upgrades or reinstalls, as my DVD drive is now not working in OS 9! If you still have around a CD drive, try connecting that in place of the DVD dri ver, and try using that; maybe the OS9 you have doesn't have the correct drivers for the DVD drive. That's all I can think of now. I think someone wiser than me will give you bette r info later. Best luck! :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)?
I had that same problem. I was told to check your memory cards. On Jun 5, 12:05 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: My G4 works flawlessly while I am using it but if I leave it running it freezes and a message comes up that says you need to restart your computer. Anyone have any idea of what's wrong? Thank you -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
I have tried all that. The same result. Thanks for the idea though! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I have tried all that. The same result.(Everything still crashes.) And what do the crash logs show? Let me guess, Console crashes so you can't see the crash logs? Have you booted verbose (Cmd-v) and looked for anything out of the ordinary? This sounds like a hardware issue, bad RAM, bad HD, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
I haven't tried the logs yet, will try that tomorrow. I testing all the ram, by removing one chip at a time, and applications crash on both OSX, and OS9, which are on different hard drives. I'll try verbose mode and report back. Thanks! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: applications crash on both OSX, and OS9, which are on different hard drives. Same ATA bus? Are you sure the jumper settings on the HDs are correct? A bad ATA cable could be the problem. You can use the cable bus the optical drive are on to troubleshoot. If it's not an ATA cable, you've likely got a bad logicboard because the chances to two separate HDs both being bad simultaneously is very low. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
