Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
Thanks for input. My video card is a Rage 128 Pro. I also have a 900-04023-4313-60E which has a 28v notation. I intend to put a four port 2.0 USB card in. Gene Original Message - From: Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory. I had a very similar G4 (G4 DA 667). IMHO, 1GB Ram is enough for common use, but it's not if you're using heavyweight apps (Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, and the like), or you like keeping lots of apps open. Upgrading to 1,5GB (Quicksilver's max) can somehow improve speed, I think. I think a CPU upgrade is the most speed-effective upgrade you can do. Second one would be a better graphic card, especially if you're into videogames (I am :-). Which graphic card you actually have? Perhaps a modern and big IDE drive would give you the same speed improvement, and in a simpler way. (a SATA drive would make transition to a future G5 - or better - simpler, thou) BTW, there's a simple hack to make drives bigger than 128GB totally usable in old G4s (in OSX, at least). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
If you end up putting in a SATA card, you won't have to worry about the 128GB limit, at least with the drives connected to that card. Max the ram out to 1.5GB. Put in a SATA card. If you have the stock video card, it's most likely good enough for anything but gaming. As far as an optical drive upgrade, you can put pretty much anything in there that is IDE. As far as a processor upgrade goes, if possible, put a Dual 1GHZ processor in. Only if you can find a reasonable price though, otherwise it may not be worth it. Anything that Sonnet sells, like the 1.8GHZ Dual, would be best, but usually the price for that processor alone is higher than the price of a high end G5 PowerMac. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD just shuts down by itself… opinions please.
Here we have an MDD powermac G4, 2gb ram Leopard 10.5.8 stock video with the only modification being a USB2.0 card. The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
Il giorno 17-11-2011 19:28, Jeffrey Engle ha scritto: Here we have an MDD powermac G4, 2gb ram Leopard 10.5.8 stock video with the only modification being a USB2.0 card. The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. This shouldn't make the Mac shut down, thou... IMHO. I used G3, G4 (not MDD), G5, a G4 Powerbook, with a dead battery eventually, and they all worked fine (save for the clock thing). Most likely thing, outside the Mac, could be a power shortage. Maybe so short you didn't notice lights flickering or the like, but long enough to make the computer switch off. Unless you have a working UPS, of course. Inside the Mac, the only thing I can think of, is a faulty power supply. Or, the power cable isn't properly seated (when people clean around computers, they often pull cables and cords...). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. This shouldn't make the Mac shut down, thou... IMHO. I used G3, G4 (not MDD), G5, a G4 Powerbook, with a dead battery eventually, and they all worked fine (save for the clock thing). Most likely thing, outside the Mac, could be a power shortage. Maybe so short you didn't notice lights flickering or the like, but long enough to make the computer switch off. Unless you have a working UPS, of course. Inside the Mac, the only thing I can think of, is a faulty power supply. Or, the power cable isn't properly seated (when people clean around computers, they often pull cables and cords...). I've tried a new PRAM battery, PRAM reset, pushing the cuda switch.. this clock will not stay set. what next? I wonder what else would cause this? as far as the power shuttin off, I'm still trying to recreate that... (or not:-) Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do this?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:17:51 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do this?? --- You might check the polarity of the battery. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:17:51 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do this?? --- You might check the polarity of the battery. Ken Positive to positive, negative to negative what else could it be? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:50:16 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:17:51 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do this?? --- You might check the polarity of the battery. Ken Positive to positive, negative to negative what else could it be? --- As hard as it is to see the polarity marks on some holders, it could easily be the other way around. You probably don't have to think very long to figure out how I know. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Upgrade my Quicksilver
Thanks. I`m on it. Gene From: Jonas Ulrich To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver If you end up putting in a SATA card, you won't have to worry about the 128GB limit, at least with the drives connected to that card. Max the ram out to 1.5GB. Put in a SATA card. If you have the stock video card, it's most likely good enough for anything but gaming. As far as an optical drive upgrade, you can put pretty much anything in there that is IDE. As far as a processor upgrade goes, if possible, put a Dual 1GHZ processor in. Only if you can find a reasonable price though, otherwise it may not be worth it. Anything that Sonnet sells, like the 1.8GHZ Dual, would be best, but usually the price for that processor alone is higher than the price of a high end G5 PowerMac. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
Jeffrey Engle wrote: gets 3.6v on the meter It's not the volts that make a battery good, it's the amps. what else could cause the clock to do this? I had a 7600 that started not keeping time. It was a bad motherboard. It also started having other issues, like corrupted HD data, and automatic shutdowns. I put another motherboard in and it was fine using all the old components including PS, PRAM, HD, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
I had a quick silver do this to me. It was a bad power supply. Check if you can hear any arcing going on where the cable goes into the machine. If so, you PSU has had it. Also sometimes the power cable used to work itself loose, which probably ended up killing the power supply in the first place. Quick Silvers were known for this. Loads of dead ones on ebay with the same problem Good luck On 17 Nov 2011, at 20:33, Ken Daggett wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:50:16 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:17:51 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone. Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do this?? --- You might check the polarity of the battery. Ken Positive to positive, negative to negative what else could it be? --- As hard as it is to see the polarity marks on some holders, it could easily be the other way around. You probably don't have to think very long to figure out how I know. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself… opinions please.
I'm now convinced the power supply is the weakest link in the MDD. I peaked at having 5 working systems. 1 bought new, the rest on eBay. The bought-new was the first to die, and recently, another. Both fails are pretty certain the PS. An intermittent problem is tougher to diagnose, but I've not seen PRAM battery lead to this symptom. On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: Here we have an MDD powermac G4, 2gb ram Leopard 10.5.8 stock video with the only modification being a USB2.0 card. The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself opinions please.
On 17-11-2011 19:28, Jeffrey Engle, macgu...@gmail.com, wrote: The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... Well in the last 2 weeks I had this with a QS'02 and a MDD. Had this never before. I was checking all: PS, PRAM-bat, connections etc., and all OK, when one of my grandsons (he is 9 yrs old and I'm 68 haha!) said: Hey Opa (= dutch for granddad) your Macs are dustbunkers! I looked and he was right!! Being curious, I first restarted both Macs while watching what would happen. I used iStatPro in Dashboard to observe the tempartures of the HD's (I have 3 in both). And I saw following: After 96 minutes the SU-disk of the MDD came to 61 degrees C and the MDD shut down. After 128 minutes the SU-disk of the QS came to 64 degrees C and the QS shut down. Then I totally cleaned both an restarted them. Now they are both running already for 3 days + without any inclination to power down! Perhaps an idea for you also! Try it, because it will never hurt anything but will help possibly! Good Luck, Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD just shuts down by itself… opinions please.
From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com Here we have an MDD powermac G4, 2gb ram Leopard 10.5.8 stock video with the only modification being a USB2.0 card. The other night, the machine just powered down all by itself ... looks like PRAM battery? clock is doing the usual mishap... A real long shot but perhaps a defective keyboard or keyboard cable/connection. I had the the shut down problem on a PCI Mac that had a failed keyboard. Don't recall any clock problem however. Try switching keyboards and cables. Overheating or a failed power supply as discussed is probably a more likely culprit. --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
