Re: Firewire HD Partition is not accessible. Very strange.

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Kevin wrote:


Please help shed some light on this unusual problem.


Tina hit the nail on the head, the fact it affects to different Macs,  
one PPC and one Intel, running two versions of OS X, 10.4.11 & 10.6.8,  
would seem to indicate this issue is a hardware issue related either  
to the enclosure bridge or the HD. Since the enclosure is both  
Firewire 800 & USB 2.0, have you tried it with USB 2.0? I'd try USB  
2.0, and if it works, just use USB 2.0 rather than Firewire 800. There  
is almost zero speed difference because the bottleneck on a single HD  
is the HD itself, not the type of connection, they're all faster than  
the HD.


You can check for error messages related to Firewire using  
Utilities>Console and searching through the messages for anything  
related to the Firewire bus or this HD.


Often there have been firmware updates for enclosures that work  
poorly, but your enclosure appears to use an Oxford 943 chipset  
(OXUF943SE) which doesn't appear to have any firmware updates that  
might fix your issue.


I think switching to USB 2.0 is your best bet. If USB 2.0 doesn't work  
in a similar fashion, it's FOR CERTAIN the HD. You might be able to  
backup the data and reformat the HD completely, or use DiskWarrior to  
fix, but most likely it overheated in the small, fanless enclosure,  
which is common, and the HD would likely be dead for all practical  
purposes. S.M.A.R.T. data doesn't work for HD's in external  
enclosures, BUT, if you can place the HD into a regular desktop or  
laptop attached to the internal bus you can use a utility that can  
access the S.M.A.R.T. data which should be able to tell you if the HD  
overheated or has other fatal defects.


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:20 PM, JohnV wrote:

> 
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> Follow the links I sent, or google "G5 iMac capacitor replacement".
>> 
>> If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the whole thing, 
>> Power supply and logic board.
>> 
> 
> Is this valid for a mid-2005 PPC dual core G5 tower?
> 
> or even a 2009 macbook pro


No. Neither.

See:

 


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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[cheryl]

So if I just delete my own personal stuff, it will be ok to leave the
OS on? That's the main thing I want to do is remove my own stuff and
I'm afraid I will do it wrong and leave something there.

On Jan 2, 7:30 pm, Valter Prahlad 
wrote:
> Il giorno 3-01-2012 3:40, cheryl ha scritto:
>
> > I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
> > why.
>
> Relax.
> There are no stupid questions - although there might be stupid answers. ;-)
>
> > The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
> > already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
> > computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it.
>
> So you're selling them?
> I'd say you just need to erase your data (unless you don't mind other people
> getting their hands on it).
>
> > I read somewhere
> > that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
> > do.
>
> It depends. Some Lists (like LEM-Swap) require to sell the machine with no
> OS later than the Mac was shipped with, unless you give the original OS
> discs included.
> (in other words, not giving away pirated OS copies)
>
> IMHO it's pretty much up to you, however.
> If the OS is the same you got the Macs with, you might as well leave it on.
> Leaving an OS is a kind gesture to the new user - who might be even less
> computer-savvy than you. :-)

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[Clark Martin]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:03 PM, faithie999 wrote:

> which are the "power supply" caps on the logic board?  there are
> probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

Roughly in the center bottom of the logic board are several groups of caps 
(1000uF, 16V IIRC), about 10-12 caps in a group.  I think there are about 4 
groups.

> 
> as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
> the smaller ones?

I replaced the power supply.  I started out replacing the caps but ran into a 
snag but I don't remember what it was.

The power supply is trickier as the caps are stuffed in tighter and glued 
together.  And they are often surrounded by other components that you don't 
want to remove.

> 
> i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
> the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
> look doable.
> 
> none of the caps, either on the logic board or the power supply, are
> bulging or otherwise look damaged, but i know they can be damaged
> internally without any external "symptoms"

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Re: Firewire HD Partition is not accessible. Very strange.

[Tina K.]

On 2012/01/02 20:53, Kevin so eloquently wrote:

Recently I have not been able to access a partition on a Firewire hard drive. 
When
I click on the icon for the partition on my desktop or in the devices list in 
the
sidebar of the Finder, the Finder seems to blink and all of the icons on the
desktop as well as the finder bar up top all disappear for a second and then
comeback leaving me without a way to browse the items on that partition. The 2
other partitions of the drive are just fine. I canot open files within a program
to acces the drive either, say open up Text Edit and click on that drive to 
chose
a file it simply crashes the application instantly.

I can see the drive in Disk Utility and System Profiler. Disk Utility says it is
fine when I repair it.

I've restarted, shutdown, disconnected and turned on and off the FW drive. 
Started
with the drive on and connected. Started up in Safe mode. Reset PRAM. Nothing.
Repaired permissions on the Mac HD, deleted com.apple.finder.plist and still 
nothing.

The machine is a 2010 Intel Core 2 Duo Mac Mini running SL 10.6.8 8GB RAM. It 
also
afects my 17 " 1.5Ghz AL G4 Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 with 2 GB RAM. On 
that
machine it actually makes the Finder Icon and title bar blink infinitely without
letting me do anything except disconnect the drive after which all is well.

The drive is a 500GB  Seagate 7200 rpm OWC Mercury On The Go 2.5" ATA in a
FW800/USB2 enclosure connected via FW800. There are 3 180GB partitions. The 
drive
is 2 years old. I'll be contacting OWC in the morning.


It seems odd that two different machines are experiencing the same condition, have 
you done any maintenance on them recently? Perhaps the free Applejack or the very 
un-free DiskWarrior could be of help.



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Firewire HD Partition is not accessible. Very strange.

[Kevin]

Hello everyone! Long time reader very seldom poster...

I have a question for the minds here:

Recently I have not been able to access a partition on a Firewire hard 
drive. When I click on the icon for the partition on my desktop or in 
the devices list in the sidebar of the Finder, the Finder seems to blink 
and all of the icons on the desktop as well as the finder bar up top all 
disappear for a second and then comeback leaving me without a way to 
browse the items on that partition. The 2 other partitions of the drive 
are just fine. I canot open files within a program to acces the drive 
either, say open up Text Edit and click on that drive to chose a file it 
simply crashes the application instantly.


I can see the drive in Disk Utility and System Profiler. Disk Utility 
says it is fine when I repair it.


I've restarted, shutdown, disconnected and turned on and off the FW 
drive. Started with the drive on and connected. Started up in Safe mode. 
Reset PRAM. Nothing. Repaired permissions on the Mac HD, deleted 
com.apple.finder.plist and still nothing.


The machine is a 2010 Intel Core 2 Duo Mac Mini running SL 10.6.8 8GB 
RAM. It also afects my 17 " 1.5Ghz AL G4 Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 
with 2 GB RAM. On that machine it actually makes the Finder Icon and 
title bar blink infinitely without letting me do anything except 
disconnect the drive after which all is well.


The drive is a 500GB  Seagate 7200 rpm OWC Mercury On The Go 2.5" ATA in 
a FW800/USB2 enclosure connected via FW800. There are 3 180GB 
partitions. The drive is 2 years old. I'll be contacting OWC in the morning.


Please help shed some light on this unusual problem. I have not been 
able to find anything via Googl/Apple site/etc. I'm fairly certain my 
data is there and intact just not accessible. I hope I'm right or I just 
lost a recording session among other important things...Thanks in advance.


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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 3-01-2012 3:40, cheryl ha scritto:

> I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
> why. 
Relax. 
There are no stupid questions - although there might be stupid answers. ;-)

> The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
> already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
> computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it.
So you're selling them?
I'd say you just need to erase your data (unless you don't mind other people
getting their hands on it).

> I read somewhere
> that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
> do.
It depends. Some Lists (like LEM-Swap) require to sell the machine with no
OS later than the Mac was shipped with, unless you give the original OS
discs included.
(in other words, not giving away pirated OS copies)

IMHO it's pretty much up to you, however.
If the OS is the same you got the Macs with, you might as well leave it on.
Leaving an OS is a kind gesture to the new user - who might be even less
computer-savvy than you. :-)

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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[David W. Morris]

Follow Tina's instructions and you should not have any problems.   
Another easy solution is to remove the hard drive and keep it for  
yourself and sell the system without any hard drive.  This is done  
often by many sellers.


Happy New Year!

David
aka AmigaDave
Dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS2.7 on 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac & 1.5GHz  
G4 MacMini, plus MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta on 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks  
(15" & 17"), and MacOSX & Linux on Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, waiting  
for MorphOS3.x later this year or next.



On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:40 PM, cheryl wrote:


I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere
that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
do.


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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[JohnV]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


Follow the links I sent, or google "G5 iMac capacitor replacement".

If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the  
whole thing, Power supply and logic board.




Is this valid for a mid-2005 PPC dual core G5 tower?

or even a 2009 macbook pro

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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Jesse]

As far as I know, they can be wiped or they can carry what original came on it 
or they can be updated to what OS they can carry at the moment. Check list 
rules as to what is acceptable, say if you were on LEM-swap. Other than that, 
wiping is merely an option for security, so do what thou wilt...

Tah

Ps...  Try putting your drive in another system and wiping then reinstalling it 
physically in the machine you want clean. Automatic wiped system!

Sent from my iPhone 4





On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:40 PM, cheryl  wrote:

> I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
> why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
> already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
> computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere
> that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
> do.
> 
> On Jan 2, 4:58 pm, "Tina K."  wrote:
>> On 2012/01/02 17:11, Valter Prahlad so eloquently wrote:
>> 
>>> Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto:
>> 
>  I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
>  myself?
>>> Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data?
>>> In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and
>>> with apps) but without any of your data left?
>> 
>> Giving that the subject line is: "How do I remove an *OS* from a computer, I 
>> think
>> it's pretty plain. The earlier answer about booting from an install disc,
>> launching Disk Utility, clicking on the desired drive, then erase, and then 
>> going
>> into "Security Options..." and choosing how many times you want it 
>> overwritten, is
>> the answer you're looking for.
>> 
>> Tina
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>> 10.6.8
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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[cheryl]

I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere
that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
do.

On Jan 2, 4:58 pm, "Tina K."  wrote:
> On 2012/01/02 17:11, Valter Prahlad so eloquently wrote:
>
> > Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto:
>
> >> >  I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
> >> >  myself?
> > Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data?
> > In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and
> > with apps) but without any of your data left?
>
> Giving that the subject line is: "How do I remove an *OS* from a computer, I 
> think
> it's pretty plain. The earlier answer about booting from an install disc,
> launching Disk Utility, clicking on the desired drive, then erase, and then 
> going
> into "Security Options..." and choosing how many times you want it 
> overwritten, is
> the answer you're looking for.
>
> Tina
>
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> 10.5.8
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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:36, Mac User #330250 ha scritto:

> I don¹t want to fall into a negative mood here, but still I find it importaint
> to point out an observation of mine that made me think that, sadly, these
> times are going to end soon: look at the download figures of TenFourFox. This
> will give you a good idea of how many of ³us² are still out thereŠ
> http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list ­ ³Downloadcount²

I can't understand your concern. Am I missing something?

Number of download seems increasing to me.
Considering only the "RC/final" 4 versions (G3, G4x2, G5):
TFF 4.0.1 = 19904
TFF 7.0 = 20703
TFF 8.0 = 22334

I didn't consider TFF 9, because it's still "work in progress".
DL numbers seem going up, though.

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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Tina K.]

On 2012/01/02 17:11, Valter Prahlad so eloquently wrote:

Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto:


>  I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
>  myself?

Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data?
In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and
with apps) but without any of your data left?


Giving that the subject line is: "How do I remove an *OS* from a computer, I think 
it's pretty plain. The earlier answer about booting from an install disc, 
launching Disk Utility, clicking on the desired drive, then erase, and then going 
into "Security Options..." and choosing how many times you want it overwritten, is 
the answer you're looking for.



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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:03 PM, faithie999 wrote:

> which are the "power supply" caps on the logic board?  there are
> probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

Follow the links I sent, or google "G5 iMac capacitor replacement".

If you're kitting up to do the power supply, may as well do the whole thing, 
Power supply and logic board.


> 
> as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
> the smaller ones?

Only the big can-like ones

> 
> i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
> the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
> look doable.
> 

Actually the larger ones are easier to remove.

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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto:

> I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
> myself?

Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data?
In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and
with apps) but without any of your data left?

Which Operating System(s) those Macs have?

Sure you can do it yourself.
In case you want to erase just your data, you'll have to identify where that
data has been put (not so difficult).

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Re: Happy New Year!

[Dan]

At 11:49 PM +0100 1/2/2012, Mac User #330250 wrote:

On OS X I use CCC too. I like it a lotŠ Although in the newer versions the GUI
has changed quite a bit. I'm not yet sure if I should stay with an older
versionŠ


Go to the latest vers.  The GUI is better and 
more behaved.  The wording has changed to clarify 
some things, and it seems to automatically pick 
the right settings now.


- Dan.
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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[faithie999]

i assume that "wipe the data" means wipe the entire disk. if you want
to just erase selected files, move them to the trash, then click on
Finder-->Preferences-->Advanced, and check the box next to Securely
Empty Trash.  then empty the trash.  i have no idea how secure this
is.


to securely erase the entire disk:

boot from your install disk

open disk utility

highlight the hard disk in the left-hand panel

click the "erase" tab on the right-hand panel

click on "security options" and check the radio button next to the
desired level of secure erase of your choosing, then click erase

the above is all for OS X.  for mac classic os, someone else will have
to give advice.

ken



On Jan 2, 5:54 pm, cheryl  wrote:
> I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
> myself?

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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Barry Levine]

on 1/2/12 5:54 PM, cheryl at chelyh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
> myself?


How old, what OS?

There are some utilities that will zero out a hard-drive. I presume you're
interested in removing any old personal data.

I have an old utility called "Burn 2.3" (Classic Mac) that allegedly can
zero out selected files, so this wouldn't require a boot disk. There are
others that need a boot disk.

If the hard-drives are quite obsolete, and you're just interested in making
sure your data is wiped before disposing of your legacy macs, you can always
open them up. You'll get some amazing refrigerator magnets.  The nice shiny
disks ought to be good for something decorative...

Barry

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[faithie999]

which are the "power supply" caps on the logic board?  there are
probably 20+ caps in all on the board.

as for the power supply board--did you replace the large caps, or just
the smaller ones?

i know that any of them can be bad, but desoldering and resoldering
the larger ones are probably beyond my capability.  the smaller ones
look doable.

none of the caps, either on the logic board or the power supply, are
bulging or otherwise look damaged, but i know they can be damaged
internally without any external "symptoms"

thanks

ken



On Jan 2, 3:15 pm, Clark Martin  wrote:
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:
>
> >> a friend gave me a dead iMac 17" G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
> >> when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
> >> second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
> >> the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
> >> there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
> >> then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
> >> re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.
>
> > Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
> > supply and/or logic board.
>
> > 
>
> > Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.
>
> I received a 20" G5 (no iSight) for free because it had the same or similar 
> symptoms.  I replaced all the power supply caps on the logic board and 
> replaced the power supply.  All is well with it now.
>
> Replacing the caps isn't simple as they use lead free solder which has a 
> higher melting point.  Unless you are skilled at soldering your best bet is 
> to find a service to change them.

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How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[cheryl]

I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
myself?

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Re: Partitioning

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Partitioning
Date:Monday, 02. January 2012
From:Valter Prahlad 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> Partitioning has always been (and still is, I see) a matter of personal
> taste.
> Like everything in life, there's no "One size fits all". :-)
> 
> On my HD, I still have three main partitions (plus one for scratch disk).
> Since I'm keen on organization, it helps keeping things separated.
> Some advantages:
> - Faster file searchs
> - Faster backups (I can backup just one partition)
> - It's simpler to remember the file/folder trees (I always know a certain
> kind of files can only be in that partition)
> - I can keep differents OS9 System folders for Classic and for OS9 boot
> - If there's some disk problem on some partition, it's faster running a
> disk repair tool on that partition alone (this was more true in OS9
> times).

Full ack. I have exactly the same thinking…

> I totally agree with you, it doesn't offer any protection from data loss,
> though.

True. That’s someting always to keep in mind…


Cheers,
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Re: Happy New Year!

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Happy New Year!
Date:Monday, 02. January 2012
From:Dan 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Retrospect Express

Thanks! I’ll look for this when the time comes that I finally start using Mac 
OS 8.6 (on the G3) and 9.0.4/9.2.2 on the Cube.

On OS X I use CCC too. I like it a lot… Although in the newer versions the GUI 
has changed quite a bit. I’m not yet sure if I should stay with an older 
version…

Cheers,
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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Dennis Myhand]

Every day.  It is the storage server for my network.  DA 500 MHz dual 
processor 1.5gigs of RAM OS-10.4.  Your "bad English" is better than my 
students normal speech.  Peace, Dennis


On 1/2/2012 11:40 AM, gira93 wrote:

Hello everyone!

Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,

I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
very well with 10.4.11.

I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
use such an old mac for the "everyday use".

So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?

PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.



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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Mac User #330250]

Hello!

--  Original message  --
Subject: Are powermac g4 still useful?
Date:Monday, 02. January 2012
From:gira93 
To:  "G-Group" 
> Hello everyone!
> 
> Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,

Yes!

> I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> very well with 10.4.11.

I have/had the exact one too. But I upgraded the processor. The 733 MHz model 
lacks level 2 cache, which makes it really slow compared to the 733 MHz 
version of the G4 Digital Audio.

I’d recommend getting a used processor module (+ heatsink) of the Dual-800 MHz 
or even the Dual-1 GHz version. Alternatively a third party upgrade will help 
a lot.


Even on 10.4 the QS-733 felt significantly slower than the MDD-Dual-1-GHz.

> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".

I’m a crazy person when it comes to answering your question: am I still using 
an old G4?

Well, I've got a lot of G4s, two G5s and one G3. And what do I use mostly?
The G3!

I got the slowest and oldest of them all running Tiger, Microsoft Office (which 
just rocks compared to LibreOffice; I don’t know much about iWork) and 
TenFourFox for the internet. I don’t actually use YouTube on it thou. Wouldn’t 
work anyway.

I also occasionally use a G4 Cube which I plan to upgrade: a GeForce 6200 
graphics card maybe, but I’d loose compatibility for the older Mac OSes. I’ll 
definitely upgrade the single 450 MHz processor in favour of a Dual-500 MHz 
module that I already have tested in one of my G4 towers.

What else… I now used one of the G5s a lot. I found that YouTube works great 
using TenFourFox and WebM/html5. It’s got some issues with the fans thou.


Crazy? Just a matter of perspective. If you can still do with it what you want 
to do with it, why on earth should that be crazy?

I ran Linux on my G4 MDD Dual-1 GHz at first. It was great, but I eventually 
went for a newer G5 to replace it, which ended in a desaster—just two words: 
hardware support.

> So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?

I think the replies to your post answer it well. There are still people out 
there that keep their Power Macs running.

I don’t want to fall into a negative mood here, but still I find it importaint 
to point out an observation of mine that made me think that, sadly, these 
times are going to end soon: look at the download figures of TenFourFox. This 
will give you a good idea of how many of “us” are still out there…
http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/downloads/list – “Downloadcount”

> PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.
I’m not in the possition to tell you any different than that your English is 
great. I’m from Austria.


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Stephen Conrad]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Clark Martin  wrote:

>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:40 AM, gira93 wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,
> >
> > I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> > love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> > very well with 10.4.11.
> >
> > I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> > use such an old mac for the "everyday use".
> >
> > So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?
>
> I use my dual CPU 867 MHz MDD
It has 2 Gig RAM and runs OS X 10.5.8

Prior to that I ran a Quicksilver with maxxed out RAM and OS X 10.4.11
I upgraded due to a need for more RAM and the ability to add more HDs
The quicker speed was also a factor

Prior to that was a B&W GW (a Smurf)

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Clark Martin]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:40 AM, gira93 wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> 
> Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,
> 
> I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> very well with 10.4.11.
> 
> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".
> 
> So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?

I routinely use a MDD G4 with dual CPUs.  I do CAD work and software 
development on it for embedded systems.  It's not my main machine, that's a 
MacBook Pro. Many days I use the G4 more than the MBP.  I don't watch streaming 
video on it but I do watch mp4 video files on it.  And when I've compiled the 
code I'm working on I use a G3 Pismo to download it to the MicroController I'm 
working on.

Besides CAD and editing / compiling I use the usual web browsing, database, 
word processing, spreadsheet, etc. applications on it.

My household fileserver is a G4 QuickSilver with a SATA card and about 2Tb of 
storage.

Yes, G4s are still quite viable.  As to being crazy, I can't say but there is 
nothing wrong with using a G4 for daily use.

> 
> PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.

Your "bad" english is better than quite a few so called native speakers I've 
seen on the Internet.  It is certainly better than my Italian which is 
non-existant.

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Partitioning

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-01-2012 18:15, Bruce Johnson ha scritto:

> As for partitioning, I haven't seen the value of that in a long, long time.
> Partitioning gets you all the hassles of separate volumes with all the risks
> of a single mechanism. If something goes wrong with your disk, you lose it all
> anyway. Separate spindles, always!

Partitioning has always been (and still is, I see) a matter of personal
taste.
Like everything in life, there's no "One size fits all". :-)

On my HD, I still have three main partitions (plus one for scratch disk).
Since I'm keen on organization, it helps keeping things separated.
Some advantages:
- Faster file searchs
- Faster backups (I can backup just one partition)
- It's simpler to remember the file/folder trees (I always know a certain
kind of files can only be in that partition)
- I can keep differents OS9 System folders for Classic and for OS9 boot
- If there's some disk problem on some partition, it's faster running a disk
repair tool on that partition alone (this was more true in OS9 times).

I totally agree with you, it doesn't offer any protection from data loss,
though.

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Re: iMac G5 won't power on

[Clark Martin]

On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:45 PM, faithie999 wrote:
> 
>> a friend gave me a dead iMac 17" G5 iSight.  the symptom is:
>> when i push the power button, the pilot light comes on for about a
>> second, then the fan comes on at full speed, then about a second later
>> the pilot light and the fan turn off.  the screen never lights up and
>> there is no startup chime.  i've tried resetting SMU by unplugging,
>> then replugging while depressing the power button, then releasing and
>> re-pushing the power button.  same behavior as described above.
> 
> 
> Almost certainly, given that this is a G5 iMac, it's bad caps in the power 
> supply and/or logic board.
> 
> 
> 
> Plenty of instructions for the DIY-er and services to do it for you.

I received a 20" G5 (no iSight) for free because it had the same or similar 
symptoms.  I replaced all the power supply caps on the logic board and replaced 
the power supply.  All is well with it now.  

Replacing the caps isn't simple as they use lead free solder which has a higher 
melting point.  Unless you are skilled at soldering your best bet is to find a 
service to change them.

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Ernst Schlegel]

2012/1/2 gira93 

> Hello everyone!
>
> Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,
>
> I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> very well with 10.4.11.
>
> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".
>
> So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?
>
> PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.
>
> I am still working occasionaly with a G3 350. No problem.

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:54 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:


Crazy? You'd be crazy only if it didn't do what you needed and made
you miserable. (Which certainly makes the case for most windows users,
but I digress.)

I still have my MDD G4s and they're very useful. They still rip DVDs,
browse the web, transcode video to work on my TiVo, and run iTunes to
load my iPod.
As long as it works, be happy.

By the way, have a plan for when it fails. At some point, the power
supply will die and you'll want to transfer files to a new machine. I
have 5 G4s in the house, 2 have died so far.

On Jan 2, 12:40 pm, gira93  wrote:


I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just because i
use such an old mac for the "everyday use".


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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Ashgrove]

On Jan 2, 12:40 pm, gira93  wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,
>
> I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> very well with 10.4.11.
>
> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".

Your English is great!

Everyday use is exactly what older computers are great for. Email,
Internet surfing, word processing, most YouTube (with the right
tricks), there is nothing they won't do.

The kind of people who say that is usually the kind of people who
won't watch a Fellini movie because it's "old"...

Ciao,

Felix

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Re: Happy New Year!

[Chance Reecher]

On 1/2/12 2:38 PM, Dan wrote:

At 5:20 PM +0100 1/2/2012, Mac User #330250 wrote:
What backup software and partitioning do you recommend? On 10.5 
TimeMachine is
the best choice I guess, but what to use on 10.4 and ealier, and on 
8.x/9.x?


On the classic Mac OS, my fav was Retrospect Express.  Before that, 
DiskFit Pro.


On OS X... CarbonCopyCloner rulz.

Time Machine is cute, and good for automatic mostly-pain-free hourly 
incrementals.  But it is nowhere near as reliable as a solid complete 
***bootable*** clone, such as one made by CCC or SuperDuper.


- Dan.


+1 for "CCC rulz." Very reliable backup, I no longer worry about if my 
drive's gonna fail because I know CCC's got me covered.


Chance

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[JoeTaxpayer]

Crazy? You'd be crazy only if it didn't do what you needed and made
you miserable. (Which certainly makes the case for most windows users,
but I digress.)

I still have my MDD G4s and they're very useful. They still rip DVDs,
browse the web, transcode video to work on my TiVo, and run iTunes to
load my iPod.
As long as it works, be happy.

By the way, have a plan for when it fails. At some point, the power
supply will die and you'll want to transfer files to a new machine. I
have 5 G4s in the house, 2 have died so far.

On Jan 2, 12:40 pm, gira93  wrote:

> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just because i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".

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Re: Happy New Year!

[Dan]

At 5:20 PM +0100 1/2/2012, Mac User #330250 wrote:

 > NOW.  Before you forget -- go run yer backups!  It'll give your

 computer(s) something constructive to do while you're nursing that
 hangover and watching the parades!


What backup software and partitioning do you recommend? On 10.5 TimeMachine is
the best choice I guess, but what to use on 10.4 and ealier, and on 8.x/9.x?


On the classic Mac OS, my fav was Retrospect Express.  Before that, 
DiskFit Pro.


On OS X... CarbonCopyCloner rulz.

Time Machine is cute, and good for automatic mostly-pain-free hourly 
incrementals.  But it is nowhere near as reliable as a solid complete 
***bootable*** clone, such as one made by CCC or SuperDuper.


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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Baha Ata]

I had dual 1000 Mhz G4. Installed Mac OS Server 10.5. Good backup server
for my other macs with its SATA card and SATA discs. Sometimes i even use
it for DVD Burning, iMovie simple movies and surfing. Even i watch some
online TV on it. Other than its wind sound it is good to work with.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:22 PM, gira93  wrote:

> I use Mactubes to view youtube videos using Quicktime, it's fast and
> the videos are very fluids!
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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Matevž Markovič]

I used (and still am using) my PowerMac G4 MDD (1,25 Ghz) for (amateur)
mathematical research, along with one other Core i5 computer. It certainly
still is useful.

Matevž

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Jesse]

I do I have dual core mdd g4, it's amazing and other than that no real java 
upgrade...

This is the most amazing computer, and makes me regret not sellin everything 
ibhad in 2003 to get one..Now I I could afford the g5 quad core of my 
dreams

Sent from my iPhone 4





On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:40 AM, gira93  wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> 
> Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,
> 
> I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
> love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
> very well with 10.4.11.
> 
> I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
> use such an old mac for the "everyday use".
> 
> So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?
> 
> PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.
> 
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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[gira93]

I use Mactubes to view youtube videos using Quicktime, it's fast and
the videos are very fluids!

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[Stro]

I am currently using a g4 MDD dual 867mhz OS 10.5 and I have no issues
with it.  I also have a g4 DA dual 533 mhz that I use on occasion.  I
say if the computer meets your needs, then use it.

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Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?

[schaffpa]

Your English is very good! If it works for you, tell them to blow off. ;^) 

G4 MDD Dual 1.0GHz (10.4.11) here is barely adequate, have to continually 
change my YouTube resolution to 360, but it works fine for Word and most other 
things. I plan on upgrading, but only because I feel its limitations. If you 
don't, ignore those 'other' folks. ;^) 

Ciao, 

- Peter 

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From: "gira93"  
To: "G-Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 9:40:05 AM 
Subject: Are powermac g4 still useful? 

Hello everyone! 

Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4, 

I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and 
love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works 
very well with 10.4.11. 

I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i 
use such an old mac for the "everyday use". 

So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4? 

PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian. 

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Are powermac g4 still useful?

[gira93]

Hello everyone!

Hi would like to know if someone here still uses his Powermac g4,

I have a g4 quicksilver (733mhz, 630mb ram) that i still use (and
love) today for web browsing, web administration and youtube, it works
very well with 10.4.11.

I'm writing this because a friend said i was "crazy" just beacuse i
use such an old mac for the "everyday use".

So does anyone here is still using his old trusty G4?

PS: Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.

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Re: Happy New Year!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

>> 
>> NOW.  Before you forget -- go run yer backups!  It'll give your
>> computer(s) something constructive to do while you're nursing that
>> hangover and watching the parades!
> 
> What backup software and partitioning do you recommend? On 10.5 TimeMachine 
> is 
> the best choice I guess, but what to use on 10.4 and ealier, and on 8.x/9.x?

Carbon Copy Cloner is my personal favorite, lots of folks recommend Super 
Duper; but CCC is free (with ads, or no ads with a small donation) flexible, 
and produces a bootable backup if you so desire.

I actually use both time Machine and CCC, on different disks, because while 
both offer easy restores, Time Machine has the edge for ad-hock file and folder 
restores because you can actually go back past the last backup, which allows 
you to roll back significant changes to files.

As for partitioning, I haven't seen the value of that in a long, long time. 
Partitioning gets you all the hassles of separate volumes with all the risks of 
a single mechanism. If something goes wrong with your disk, you lose it all 
anyway. Separate spindles, always!

-- 
Bruce Johnson

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Re: Happy New Year!

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Happy New Year!
Date:Sunday, 01. January 2012
From:Dan 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Happy New Year, all!

And a Happy New Year from Austria to all of you around the world!

> New Year.
> New Month!

Yes! And it started with a brand new release of FreeDOS.
Oups! Wrong group…

Well, not if you use an Emulator like QEMU/Q, VirtualPC, …

> NOW.  Before you forget -- go run yer backups!  It'll give your
> computer(s) something constructive to do while you're nursing that
> hangover and watching the parades!

What backup software and partitioning do you recommend? On 10.5 TimeMachine is 
the best choice I guess, but what to use on 10.4 and ealier, and on 8.x/9.x?

> wohoo!  My first email received of the new year, stamped 12:02am, is 
> Spam!

The appearance of spam recently went down for me… about two months ago? I 
wonder what they’re always doing with their global anti-spam lists and 
techniques… but it works, so I guess it’s great!

> What's for lunch?

Nothing special at the [end|beginning] of this [previous|new] year.

> - Dan.
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


p.s. I know I'm sometimes annoying… Thanks for reading!

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