Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM, wrote:
>
> I'm sure I'm representative of most of us here, in that we have our PPC's
> on hand because they do a particular job we bought them for, and still do
> it well.
>
True enough. I use my MDD (Dual 867 MHz PPC G4, 1 MB L3 cache per
processor, 2 GB DDR SDRAM) for everything these days. I use it to surf the
web, talk on a BBS (via Terminal), read and send email, DL torrents, listen
to the radio via iTunes and (rarely) use Yahoo! Messenger.
Before this I used a Quicksilver. Prior to that it was a Smurf (B&W G3). I
also have an 8600/200, a 5400/180 and a 5260/100.
I am a collector of old computers.
I would list all my other Macs, Apples (and a Franklin Ace 500) and PCs as
well as my Sun 3/60 and an old Atari (I forget the model) but that is a
long list and only certain machines are topical to this list.
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Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
> > There are Mac-based server systems which are still using Apple Network > > Servers, and those went out of production in 1995. > > I only retired my ANS 500 about two months ago, and only then because it > was getting flaky and 200MHz wasn't cutting it for some database tasks I > needed. Otherwise I'd probably still be using it. I'm certainly not getting > rid of it. Oh, and minor nit: Shiner ended production in 1997. Mine was one of the last off the line. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Smile if you like this tag line. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
> > Got to be something drawing a particular group with Macs more than 6 > > years old. I know several hundred Mac users and of those that are > > online, about 1% are doing it with a PPC. > > There are Mac-based server systems which are still using Apple Network > Servers, and those went out of production in 1995. I only retired my ANS 500 about two months ago, and only then because it was getting flaky and 200MHz wasn't cutting it for some database tasks I needed. Otherwise I'd probably still be using it. I'm certainly not getting rid of it. My new main server is an IBM 2-way (dual core, 4 logical CPUs with SMT) POWER6. At 4.2GHz, it's a nice bump, though it does run hot (both the CPU and the 3 15Krpm SAS drives). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- FORTUNE: Good day for romance, but try a single person this time. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bob's G5 odyssey
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Bob's G5 odyssey Date:Thursday, 26. April 2012 From:Cameron Kaiser To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > > > I may be wrong, but is there a liquid cooled 2.3 GHz? > > > > > > Sorry, I should have clarified. Yes, neither 2.3 is LCS, but the later > > > 2.3 of that same generation seems to be inferior to the previous 2.3. > > > > Sorry for my misunderstanding. > > > > If I may ask: what's the problem with the Early 2005 2.3 GHz G5? > > The PCIe DC 2.3 had a disproportionate number of power supply problems. > This wouldn't ordinarily be such a big deal except replacing/repairing > power supplies on the G5 is hard labour -- it is quite difficult to get > at. It is otherwise average in reliability. > > The original DP 2.3, however, has the best reliability marks of any G5. So I got this wrong again. Shame on me! Somehow I was thinking the original 2.3 was what you didn't recommend, whereas instead you say the PCIe "Late 2005" 2.3 is problematic (due to high number of faulty PSUs). Sorry again. Reliability: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/power-macintosh-g5.html Since I had a "Late 2005" 2.0 GHz Dual-Core and now have a "Original/2003" Dual-2.0 GHz, both without major problems, I'd say any statistic about faults is not applicable to a unique system like the one you may own. May be that 32% of the original 2003 2.0 GHz where faulty with their graphics cards or system boards, but mine is fine anyway. (Until now at least.) To come back to Bob's decision finding: For both 1) the more efficient PowerPC 970fx and 2) PCI-X with eight DDR2 DIMM slots, these two models remain: PowerMac7,3 Mid-2004 Dual-2.0 GHz PowerMac7,3 Early-2005 Dual-2.3 GHz All others are either not using the 970fx or don't feature PCI-X, and with PCI they only have 4 DIMM slots. All Power Macs with PCI/PCI-X can take 1 GB DDR-DIMMs, so the PCI-X models max out at 8 GB (the PCI models at 4 GB). The all take PC3200 DDR RAM at 400 MHz. Bob said, he wanted to reuse some of his RAM that he had for his G4 MDD Dual-1 GHz. The MDD Dual-1.0 GHz and Dual-1.25 GHz as well as the FW800 Dual-1.25 GHz and Dual-1.42 GHz uses PC2700 DDR memory at 333 MHz The MDD Dual-867 MHz and the FW800 1 GHz use even slower PC2100 DDR memory at 266 MHz. In short: MDD/FW800 with 133 MHz system bus: PC2100 DDR (266 MHz) MDD/FW800 with 167 MHz system bus: PC2700 DDR (333 MHz) G5, all but "Late 2005": PC3200 DDR (400 MHz) While you can (propably) use a faster memory module in a slower memory slot (i.e. a PC3200 in a G4), you cannot use a PC2100/PC2700 for a G4 in a G5. Keep that in mind. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD remounts and Ipod Touch issues
On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:04 AM, JohnV wrote: > one iPod Touch wouldn't show up, while another one did > > Now BOTH are working fine... maybe one was so far discharged it wouldn;t > function until it got restored to some level? > That's a possibility; I know that my MacBook Pro won't boot up immediately if the battery's drained too much...sure gave me a scare the first time I ran into that one! -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD remounts and Ipod Touch issues
I think I;m starting to sort this out, if not actually SLOVE it, the HD seems to have a bad volume header... other drives are working. the Seagate 1T that dropped off came back with a nudge from MOUNT in Disk Utilities and shows up fine on reboots one iPod Touch wouldn't show up, while another one did Now BOTH are working fine... maybe one was so far discharged it wouldn;t function until it got restored to some level? On 4/26/12 12:50 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 6:33 PM, JohnV wrote: When an external HD drops off the screen (presumably after going to sleep) how does one get it to re-mount? You've got a USB issue here. First your iPod Touch isn't recognized, now you're saying your HDs are "drop off the screen" which isn't supposed to happen ever, and both are USB related. You've got a bigger problem than a HD sleep issue because your iPod is definitely wrong behavior for certain, and it has nothing to do with software on your G5, it's a pure hardware issue. You should look in your Utility>Console logs for error messages related to USB. It's likely you'll see error messages. If your USB ports are bad, you may need to purchase a USB PCI card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
> And IBM's Mainframes are now capable of a lot more than they used to be, > so they've actually built on the technology. I have 2 full System Z frames > here, one at each site..beasts. Well, yes, and CMOS was the key. The last IBM mainframe which was bipolar could not even do 1000 MIPS (it was possibly about 800 MIPS), and that was across only 12 processors (what we might call an Core S/390, using the Intel analogy). At that same time, my employer was making a bipolar S/390-compatible mainframe with 16 processors, and that one was the first mainframe to exceed 1000 MIPS. It is now not uncommon to have 36 S/390-type processors in one box. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
And IBM's Mainframes are now capable of a lot more than they used to be, so they've actually built on the technology. I have 2 full System Z frames here, one at each site..beasts. - Original Message - From: peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:09:16 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution > Got to be something drawing a particular group with Macs more than 6 > years old. I know several hundred Mac users and of those that are > online, about 1% are doing it with a PPC. There are Mac-based server systems which are still using Apple Network Servers, and those went out of production in 1995. IBM is still making mainframes which will run applications which were developed in the 1960s, and it will run those applications flawlessly. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
In fairness, that's probably very true. I play traditional Christmas music, so the audience is likely to be much older, probably retirees with little disposable income. I have some pretty high-end computing environments at my disposal, yet I primarily use my PPC Mac for everyday use. My Alienware desktop is gathering dust, as is my Alienware laptop - I do everything with my iPhone that I used to do with the laptop 6 months ago. It's not a matter of cost for me, but rather it does what I want it to do, and does it well, so why should I change? That being said, I do intend on buying a new 8 core Mac Pro this year before they discontinue that, and my aim is to ultimately replace the PPC with the Mac Pro, keeping the PPC for my Photoshop and Web side work, because I do such little of it now that it makes no sense to buy newer versions for Intel Mac. I'm sure I'm representative of most of us here, in that we have our PPC's on hand because they do a particular job we bought them for, and still do it well. The challenge for me is to make it do more "current" things purely for amusement and the experience. - Original Message - From: Wayne Stewart To: G-Group Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:43:06 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution Got to be something drawing a particular group with Macs more than 6 years old. I know several hundred Mac users and of those that are online, about 1% are doing it with a PPC. They'd be running newer hardware if they could afford to. Actually their budget isn't much over free. iPads are used a bit differently and possibly aren't used for online radio. There's likely over 60 million iPads out there. That's way more than all the PPC Macs ever made On Apr 27, 6:11 am, Darryl wrote: > Very true, although the browser string usually returns architecture info > (PPC, Intel, AMD) and whether 32 or 64 bit. Over Christmas every year I run a > radio station online. For the last year, Dec 11-Jan 12, my logs showed > approximately 1 out of every 3 listeners who's browser string indicated they > were using OS X were on PPC. > > I also saw some iPads for the first time. Barely anyone running Lion... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
> Got to be something drawing a particular group with Macs more than 6 > years old. I know several hundred Mac users and of those that are > online, about 1% are doing it with a PPC. There are Mac-based server systems which are still using Apple Network Servers, and those went out of production in 1995. IBM is still making mainframes which will run applications which were developed in the 1960s, and it will run those applications flawlessly. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
Got to be something drawing a particular group with Macs more than 6 years old. I know several hundred Mac users and of those that are online, about 1% are doing it with a PPC. They'd be running newer hardware if they could afford to. Actually their budget isn't much over free. iPads are used a bit differently and possibly aren't used for online radio. There's likely over 60 million iPads out there. That's way more than all the PPC Macs ever made On Apr 27, 6:11 am, Darryl wrote: > Very true, although the browser string usually returns architecture info > (PPC, Intel, AMD) and whether 32 or 64 bit. Over Christmas every year I run a > radio station online. For the last year, Dec 11-Jan 12, my logs showed > approximately 1 out of every 3 listeners who's browser string indicated they > were using OS X were on PPC. > > I also saw some iPads for the first time. Barely anyone running Lion... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
> While a G3-4-5 user is (on an emotional level) a strong Apple supporter, on > a monetary level he isn't supporting Apple at all. :-) > It's a case of philosophical Vs. financial. I no longer "support" Apple even "philosophical". Since I do want modern software, and Apple ditched the entire different architecture (the reason I bought my first Mac, it wasn't color nor design of the case, nor the Apple logo, it was its *difference*), I moved to GNU/Linux. It works on a lot of different CPU architectures. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
Very true, although the browser string usually returns architecture info (PPC, Intel, AMD) and whether 32 or 64 bit. Over Christmas every year I run a radio station online. For the last year, Dec 11-Jan 12, my logs showed approximately 1 out of every 3 listeners who's browser string indicated they were using OS X were on PPC. I also saw some iPads for the first time. Barely anyone running Lion... Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: > Actually if someone says they're running 10.4 or 10.5, it doesn't mean > that OS is necessarily running on a PPC Mac. The first Intel machines > came with 10.4. I know a number of people still using 10.4 or 10.5 on > Intel machines for a variety of reasons. You could purchase10.5 to run > on a PPC Mac but it was only original software on Intel machines. > A lot of people never upgrade their OS or install updates. Lots of > early Macbook Pros are still running 10.4.5 or whatever they came with > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
