Re: Failure to Import Mail

2012-08-17 Thread Al Poulin


On Aug 17, 1:12 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

>
> What Dan says: you can import mail going forwards, but not 
> backwards...fundamentally you're trying to make POP do the job that IMAP was 
> invented for.

Thanks Bruce and Dan for the insight into what Apple did to Mail,
essentially making it impossible to import from newer to older
versions of its own software, but ironically taking care of switchers,
eh?

Anyway, my wife and I will stick with POP. In our joint account, I
don't want her erasing what I want to archive, nor to I want to erase
hers.

Al Poulin

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Re: Failure to Import Mail

2012-08-17 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Dan wrote:

> At 7:53 AM -0700 8/16/2012, Al Poulin wrote:
>> Using POP mail works well for the way my wife and I share an e-mail
>> account on separate Macs at home. I am using Apple Mail in OS X 10.6.8
>> Snow Leopard on an iMac 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. In preparing for a
>> vacation trip, I attempted to move my e-mail holdings from the iMac to
>> an iBook G4 1.33 GHz (2005) running the latest version of OS X 10.5
>> Leopard.
>> 
>> With an Ethernet connection, the methods that I attempted failed,
>> including "Import" at the iBook from Apple Mail, "Import" at the iBook
>> from "Files in mbox format," and simply copying the Mail folder from
>> the iMac's user Library.
>> 
>> Is there a way to do this? Something like ChronoSync perhaps? Thanks,
> 
> In each release, Apple has made changes in the way their Mail app stores 
> data.  So I would not expect the older Mail app to be able to talk to the 
> data from the newer Mail app.
> 
> Not sure if manually changing the folder structure would be enough. I'm 
> thinking Mail probably made changes to the individual file contents too.
> 
> If you changed both to use IMAP, perhaps that would let you keep things in 
> sync - at least for newer messages.

What Dan says: you can import mail going forwards, but not 
backwards...fundamentally you're trying to make POP do the job that IMAP was 
invented for. 

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Re: Failure to Import Mail

2012-08-17 Thread Dan

At 7:53 AM -0700 8/16/2012, Al Poulin wrote:

Using POP mail works well for the way my wife and I share an e-mail
account on separate Macs at home. I am using Apple Mail in OS X 10.6.8
Snow Leopard on an iMac 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. In preparing for a
vacation trip, I attempted to move my e-mail holdings from the iMac to
an iBook G4 1.33 GHz (2005) running the latest version of OS X 10.5
Leopard.

With an Ethernet connection, the methods that I attempted failed,
including "Import" at the iBook from Apple Mail, "Import" at the iBook
from "Files in mbox format," and simply copying the Mail folder from
the iMac's user Library.

Is there a way to do this? Something like ChronoSync perhaps? Thanks,


In each release, Apple has made changes in the way their Mail app 
stores data.  So I would not expect the older Mail app to be able to 
talk to the data from the newer Mail app.


Not sure if manually changing the folder structure would be enough. 
I'm thinking Mail probably made changes to the individual file 
contents too.


If you changed both to use IMAP, perhaps that would let you keep 
things in sync - at least for newer messages.


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Re: Security

2012-08-17 Thread Bruce Johnson
A good start is something like this:



A little old, but it'll get you started.

Care to share the article links you're looking at? We can help decipher them. 

Turning on the firewall is good, knowing which services to allow and not allow 
is simple for someone who knows the OS inside and out, but to a newb (and we've 
all been there, including me) it can be well nigh unintelligible.



On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:20 AM, JohnV wrote:

> Yes Master. I will Master. I will study these things you have shown me. You 
> have so much knowledge, Master, I will try to understand but there is SO 
> much...   Ignorance is NOT bliss...  and I will still try to walk the rice 
> paper, even though all I can manage so far is to blow my nose on it.

Well, someday, grasshopper, you will snatch the pebble from my hand, and if 
it's by sneaking up behind me with a 2x4 you will have learned well! 8-P


> 
>   John Vengrouskie
> 
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:19 AM, JohnV wrote:
>> 
>>> iMac intel
>>> 
>>> In playing with security/firewall settings while reading aricles on Mac 
>>> vulnerabilities, I changed a setting and now, when I fire up the iMac 
>>> (10.6.8) , after logging in, I get a stacked set of identical windows, each 
>>> asking if I want to ALLOW or DENY a named application to have access. I 
>>> clicked on DENY on each but would appreciate a clue about what these things 
>>> ARE.
>>> 
>> 
>> You went and fiddled with things you do not comprehend, Grasshopper, and now 
>> it's broken. 8-)
>> 
>> Go forth and undo your doings. These are all things that OS X normally uses 
>> behind the scenes to do things.
>> 
>> Google is your friend, man is your less friendly, but very knowledgeable 
>> local geeky 'friend'.
>> 
>> Denying these services means you : cannot share files, cannot connect to 
>> Windows shares, cannot print.
>> 
>> This is a common consequence of encountering scary security and 
>> vulnerability articles with not enough understanding of the underlying 
>> processes and systems involved.
>> 
>> There are a lot of FUD-ish articles out there that make it sound as if your 
>> Mac is merely seconds away from being completely taken over by Albanian 
>> criminal hacker terrorists intent on using your mac to trade child porn, 
>> nuclear secrets and celebrity email passwords, and getting you thrown in 
>> Gitmo while stealing every cent you own and taking out 14 billion dollars in 
>> loans in your name from banks run by Russian mobsters, who WILL pay to 
>> invent a time machine to go back in time to threaten castrating your 
>> grandfather before your father was born to force you to pay back the loans...
>> 
>> Out of the box, if nothing is turned on in the Sharing pane, your Mac is 
>> pretty much immune to outside attacks as is. If you're connected behind a 
>> typical DSL or Cable router using NAT, your mac is pretty much immune to 
>> outside attacks as is.
>> 
>> All of these things are parts of services that are called when you have 
>> stuff in the sharing pane ticked.
>> 
>>> krb5kdc
>> 
>> Kerberos, used for authentication by a host of services
>> 
>> NAME
>>   krb5kdc - Kerberos V5 KDC
>> 
>> SYNOPSIS
>>   krb5kdc  [  -a ] [ -x db_args ] [ -d dbname ] [ -k keytype ] [ -M mkey-
>>   name ] [ -p portnum ] [ -m ] [ -r realm ] [ -4 v4mode ] [ -n ]
>> 
>> DESCRIPTION
>>   krb5kdc is the Kerberos version 5 Authentication Service and  Key  Dis-
>>   tribution Center (AS/KDC).
>> 
>>> 
>>> nmbd
>> 
>> Look, you cannot share with Windows systems now.
>> 
>> NAME
>>   nmbd  -  NetBIOS name server to provide NetBIOS over IP naming services
>>   to clients
>> 
>> SYNOPSIS
>>   nmbd [-D]  [-F]  [-S]  [-a]  [-i]  [-o]  [-h]  [-V]  [-d ]
>>[-H ]  [-l ] [-p ] [-s >figuration file>]
>> 
>> DESCRIPTION
>>   This program is part of the samba(7) suite.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> smbd
>> 
>> Now you cannot mount volumes from Windows servers, either (or linux ones, or 
>> many NAS boxes)
>> 
>> NAME
>>   smbd - server to provide SMB/CIFS services to clients
>> 
>> SYNOPSIS
>>   smbd   [-D]   [-F]   [-S]   [-i]   [-h]  [-V]  [-b]  [-d ]
>>[-l ]   [-p ][-P ]
>>[-O ] [-s ]
>> 
>> DESCRIPTION
>>   This program is part of the samba(7) suite.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> cupsd
>> 
>> The CUPS (heart of the printing system in OS X) central dispatcher. Since 
>> the Mac uses 'network' printing even to use locally attached printers, 
>> preventing cupsd from doing it's thing, means you cannot print.
>> 
>> cupsd(8)  Apple Inc.  
>> cupsd(8)
>> 
>> NAME
>>   cupsd - cups scheduler
>> 
>> SYNOPSIS
>>   cupsd [ -c config-file ] [ -f ] [ -F ] [ -h ] [ -l ] [ -t ]
>> 
>> DESCRIPTION
>>   cupsd  is the scheduler for CUPS. It implements a printing system based
>>

Re: Security

2012-08-17 Thread JohnV
Yes Master. I will Master. I will study these things you have shown  
me. You have so much knowledge, Master, I will try to understand but  
there is SO much...   Ignorance is NOT bliss...  and I will still try  
to walk the rice paper, even though all I can manage so far is to  
blow my nose on it.


John Vengrouskie

On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:19 AM, JohnV wrote:


iMac intel

In playing with security/firewall settings while reading aricles  
on Mac vulnerabilities, I changed a setting and now, when I fire  
up the iMac (10.6.8) , after logging in, I get a stacked set of  
identical windows, each asking if I want to ALLOW or DENY a named  
application to have access. I clicked on DENY on each but would  
appreciate a clue about what these things ARE.




You went and fiddled with things you do not comprehend,  
Grasshopper, and now it's broken. 8-)


Go forth and undo your doings. These are all things that OS X  
normally uses behind the scenes to do things.


Google is your friend, man is your less friendly, but very  
knowledgeable local geeky 'friend'.


Denying these services means you : cannot share files, cannot  
connect to Windows shares, cannot print.


This is a common consequence of encountering scary security and  
vulnerability articles with not enough understanding of the  
underlying processes and systems involved.


There are a lot of FUD-ish articles out there that make it sound as  
if your Mac is merely seconds away from being completely taken over  
by Albanian criminal hacker terrorists intent on using your mac to  
trade child porn, nuclear secrets and celebrity email passwords,  
and getting you thrown in Gitmo while stealing every cent you own  
and taking out 14 billion dollars in loans in your name from banks  
run by Russian mobsters, who WILL pay to invent a time machine to  
go back in time to threaten castrating your grandfather before your  
father was born to force you to pay back the loans...


Out of the box, if nothing is turned on in the Sharing pane, your  
Mac is pretty much immune to outside attacks as is. If you're  
connected behind a typical DSL or Cable router using NAT, your mac  
is pretty much immune to outside attacks as is.


All of these things are parts of services that are called when you  
have stuff in the sharing pane ticked.



krb5kdc


Kerberos, used for authentication by a host of services

NAME
   krb5kdc - Kerberos V5 KDC

SYNOPSIS
   krb5kdc  [  -a ] [ -x db_args ] [ -d dbname ] [ -k keytype ]  
[ -M mkey-

   name ] [ -p portnum ] [ -m ] [ -r realm ] [ -4 v4mode ] [ -n ]

DESCRIPTION
   krb5kdc is the Kerberos version 5 Authentication Service  
and  Key  Dis-

   tribution Center (AS/KDC).



nmbd


Look, you cannot share with Windows systems now.

NAME
   nmbd  -  NetBIOS name server to provide NetBIOS over IP  
naming services

   to clients

SYNOPSIS
   nmbd [-D]  [-F]  [-S]  [-a]  [-i]  [-o]  [-h]  [-V]  [-d  
]
[-H ]  [-l ] [-p number>] [-s 
figuration file>]

DESCRIPTION
   This program is part of the samba(7) suite.




smbd


Now you cannot mount volumes from Windows servers, either (or linux  
ones, or many NAS boxes)


NAME
   smbd - server to provide SMB/CIFS services to clients

SYNOPSIS
   smbd   [-D]   [-F]   [-S]   [-i]   [-h]  [-V]  [-b]  [-d  
]
[-l ]   [-p ][-P  
]

[-O ] [-s ]

DESCRIPTION
   This program is part of the samba(7) suite.




cupsd


The CUPS (heart of the printing system in OS X) central dispatcher.  
Since the Mac uses 'network' printing even to use locally attached  
printers, preventing cupsd from doing it's thing, means you cannot  
print.


cupsd(8)  Apple  
Inc.  cupsd(8)


NAME
   cupsd - cups scheduler

SYNOPSIS
   cupsd [ -c config-file ] [ -f ] [ -F ] [ -h ] [ -l ] [ -t ]

DESCRIPTION
   cupsd  is the scheduler for CUPS. It implements a printing  
system based
   upon the Internet Printing Protocol, version 2.1.  If  no   
options  are
   specified on the command-line then the default configuration  
file /pri-

   vate/etc/cups/cupsd.conf will be used.





AppleFileServer


Now you cannot share files with other Macs.

NAME
 AppleFileServer -- Apple File Protocol server.

SYNOPSIS
 AppleFileServer

DESCRIPTION
 How to run the AppleFileServer

 Running on MacOS X Desktop

  The AppleFileServer is typically launched using the  
Sharing
  Preference. Launch System Preferences. Select  
Sharing. Select
  the Services tab. Select Personal File Sharing and  
click start.





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College of Pharmacy
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