Re: Mac Mini G4 locks up while playing streaming audio
On Nov 16, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Clark Martin wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:05 PM, faithie999 wrote: > >> i have a mac mini G4 running 10.5.8. yesterday (i thought it was a fluke at >> the time) and again just now, it locked up while playing streaming audio in >> firefox 3.6.24. the mini was completely unresponsive, so i held the power >> button until it shut down. then powered back on, got the startup chime, but >> then a gray screen with no apple. i tried resetting PRAM, letting it cycle >> thru three startup chimes, but same result--gray screen but no apple. >> >> then i decided to try booting into open firmware to see if the machine was >> completely dead. this worked, and at the prompt i typed mac-boot and >> immediately the apple, then gearwheel, appeared, and it rebooted fine. >> >> as i said above, this just happened again (altho i booted into open firmware >> without resetting PRAM, so that troubleshooting step had no effect). >> >> i know this is an ancient version of firefox, and i am now using safari for >> the streaming audio, but i'm curious why after a forced shutdown the mini >> wouldn't restart normally, and why issuing the mac-boot command from open >> firmware made a difference. > > It may well be that the real problem is in why it had trouble booting and > that the streaming lock up was caused by that (it MAY). For starters run > Disk Utility / Disk Verify. Check the System Log, for the boot up process, > when it locked up and for some time before that. Do these things have PRAM batteries? If so it's getting on to the age where those can fail; I know non-Mini G4's have problems with this. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
> > Itanic > > The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement: It can hardly be worse (well, it could; it could be a respray of Merced). Still, this was a case where HP got too far ahead of itself; compiler technology still doesn't do a good job with EPIC-VLIW instruction sets, and the "hard limit" of one instruction per cycle hasn't really been all that bad in practise as CPUs get more efficient and more of them exist in one system. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Haiku is easy/Sometimes it doesn't make sense/Refrigerator -- "KFI Haikus" - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini G4 locks up while playing streaming audio
On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:05 PM, faithie999 wrote: > i have a mac mini G4 running 10.5.8. yesterday (i thought it was a fluke at > the time) and again just now, it locked up while playing streaming audio in > firefox 3.6.24. the mini was completely unresponsive, so i held the power > button until it shut down. then powered back on, got the startup chime, but > then a gray screen with no apple. i tried resetting PRAM, letting it cycle > thru three startup chimes, but same result--gray screen but no apple. > > then i decided to try booting into open firmware to see if the machine was > completely dead. this worked, and at the prompt i typed mac-boot and > immediately the apple, then gearwheel, appeared, and it rebooted fine. > > as i said above, this just happened again (altho i booted into open firmware > without resetting PRAM, so that troubleshooting step had no effect). > > i know this is an ancient version of firefox, and i am now using safari for > the streaming audio, but i'm curious why after a forced shutdown the mini > wouldn't restart normally, and why issuing the mac-boot command from open > firmware made a difference. It may well be that the real problem is in why it had trouble booting and that the streaming lock up was caused by that (it MAY). For starters run Disk Utility / Disk Verify. Check the System Log, for the boot up process, when it locked up and for some time before that. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac Mini G4 locks up while playing streaming audio
i have a mac mini G4 running 10.5.8. yesterday (i thought it was a fluke at the time) and again just now, it locked up while playing streaming audio in firefox 3.6.24. the mini was completely unresponsive, so i held the power button until it shut down. then powered back on, got the startup chime, but then a gray screen with no apple. i tried resetting PRAM, letting it cycle thru three startup chimes, but same result--gray screen but no apple. then i decided to try booting into open firmware to see if the machine was completely dead. this worked, and at the prompt i typed mac-boot and immediately the apple, then gearwheel, appeared, and it rebooted fine. as i said above, this just happened again (altho i booted into open firmware without resetting PRAM, so that troubleshooting step had no effect). i know this is an ancient version of firefox, and i am now using safari for the streaming audio, but i'm curious why after a forced shutdown the mini wouldn't restart normally, and why issuing the mac-boot command from open firmware made a difference. thanks in advance ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Linux question Date:Friday, 16. November 2012 From:Cameron Kaiser To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Itanic … The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20121108235552_HP_Triples_Performance_of_New_Mission_Critical_Servers_with_New_Itanium_Chips.html Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
how to install (downgrade) SCSI driver extension?
Greetings! I have an MDD dual 1.25 gHz running Leopard (10.5.8). I am using an ATTO UL3D SCSI card to run a 2 drive internal SCSI RAID. Hoping to get better performance, I upgraded the ATTO driver to the most recent one provided by ATTO for PPC and Leopard (or below), which is their version 3.21. Everything still works, but the new driver did not enhance performance (I'm getting about 125 MB/sec. on uncached 4K block reads). Not only that, but the new driver will not allow the SCSI drives to spin down and sleep. My boot drive is an OWC 115 GB SSD. The old driver (version 2.04f1) works just fine with this setup, and WILL allow the drives to sleep. I have verified this by booting from another drive that has Leopard with the old driver. So, the question, how do I get the new driver out of the system and re-install the "old" driver. I don't have an installer "package" for the old driver, as I do for the new one. I just have a copy of the old driver. I didn't want to start mucking around in the extensions folder without knowing what I was doing. The driver extension is in the folder SSD 115/System/Library/Extensions . Thanks, Rob Johansen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Linux question Date:Friday, 16. November 2012 From:Cameron Kaiser To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is > probably where much of the credit is owed. Well, according to Wikipedia, the kernel is a hybrid. It is partly a March 3.0 microkernel and partly a (originally) 4.3BSD monolithic kernel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:39 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: > Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) > > Apple discloses this lineage in OS X pretty plainly. > > List the "extensions" and you will find "BSDKernel". It may, indeed, be > the mach_kernel, but it is called what it is, and it has UC Regents > copyrights going back to before there every was a Macintosh in Steve Jobs' > vision. Well it's more than a little convoluted. Mach was developed at Carnegie Mellon as a drop-in replacement kernel for Unix; in their case, BSD unix, since BSD was the de-facto standard for academic CS research; later developers of BSD adopted Mach as the standard BSD kernel. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
>>> Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both >>> sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on >>> the BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) Apple discloses this lineage in OS X pretty plainly. List the "extensions" and you will find "BSDKernel". It may, indeed, be the mach_kernel, but it is called what it is, and it has UC Regents copyrights going back to before there every was a Macintosh in Steve Jobs' vision. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:36 PM, M Christol wrote: > n 11/15/12 5:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both >> sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the >> BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) but A/UX, >> Apples FIRST Unix, was a System V-based system. >> > Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop? I don't think so. > There was some kind of unix version Of Photoshop? I'm unaware of any. There was a unix version of Adobe's old long document software, FrameMaker? It was very expensive. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux question
On 11/15/12 9:58 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop? No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac "side." found it - not A/UX, it ran on Solaris. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
