Re: 9600 Pro or XT as alternative to 9800 (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

2012-12-13 Thread John Laughlin 
A Mac flashed 9700 works fine, too.  Been using one in my G4 Digital
Audio for at least two years, possibly three years.  No pins taped on
it...

-J

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM, frrob fr...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Greetings all!

 On a related, but slightly different note:

 What about using an ADC/DVI version of the 9600 (either the Pro or XT)
 instead of the 9800? I have seen a number of them for sale on eBay. Since
 they are ADC, they might play better with the MDD. Furthermore, they don't
 appear to have the Molex secondary power connector, so that would be another
 problem avoided. Do they not have the molex because they draw extra power
 through the ADC plug on the motherboard, or do they just draw less power?

  I imagine I'd have to tape pins 3  11, but that's not a big deal.

 With the 9600 XT or Pro, I'd still have hardware acceleration of Core Image
 and Quartz Extreme.

 Any potential pitfalls, or other thoughts on that?


 Thanks,

 Rob J.


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Re: 9600 Pro or XT as alternative to 9800 (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

2012-12-13 Thread Alex Sciortino 
I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a G5. 
The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x.

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What is slowing down my G 4

2012-12-13 Thread Norm Rowe 
Mac G4 with OS 10.5.8 with 2gig memory was running ok but lately get notices 
about upgrading to adobe on several web sites. This has lest to a marked slow 
down on my Mac. Any connection?
Norm
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Re: What is slowing down my G 4

2012-12-13 Thread John Laughlin 
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Norm Rowe nrow...@fairpoint.net wrote:
 Mac G4 with OS 10.5.8 with 2gig memory was running ok but lately get notices 
 about upgrading to adobe on several web sites. This has lest to a marked slow 
 down on my Mac. Any connection?
 Norm
 Sent from my iPad

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Maybe do a Command-Option-P-R three times at boot up...  Noticed that
my G4 DA with 1.2 GHz processor seemed to be running as if it still
had the 533MHz processor in it.  Zapped the PRAM, and it became much
faster.

-J

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Re: What is slowing down my G 4

2012-12-13 Thread Bruce Johnson 

On Dec 12, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Norm Rowe nrow...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 Mac G4 with OS 10.5.8 with 2gig memory was running ok but lately get notices 
 about upgrading to adobe on several web sites. This has lest to a marked slow 
 down on my Mac. Any connection?

Probably not, since Adobe's latest Flash versions are no longer available for 
PPC systems IIRC.

Your friend for determining what's causing slowdowns is tha Activity Monitor 
app, in Utilities.

Here's some tutorials on the subject:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2005/10/04/activity-monitor.html
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/01/15/how-to-use-activity-monitor-to-make-your-mac-faster/
http://mac.appstorm.net/how-to/os-x/making-the-most-of-activity-monitor/


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Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

2012-12-13 Thread frrob 
Hello again!

Well, I have given up on the 9800. I spent several hours again yesterday 
trying unsuccessfully to get the MDD to boot normally. 

I finally removed *every* hard drive except the boot drive (OWC 115 GB 
SSD), and every PCI card. No joy. 

I replaced the PRAM battery - that didn't help either. 

I even remove the tape from pins 3  11. No help there either.

In fact, I could only get the machine to boot without the flashing molex 
warning once. Out of some 20 attempts to start the machine, on all but one 
attempt, regardless of what I did, I got the flashing molex warning. 

I tested continuity on all the molex splitter leads, and all were OK. 

So, I'm guessing that there may be a defect in the card. Perhaps a cracked 
trace, or something. 

I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. But for 
now I am back to the 9000. I've purchased a 9600 XT on eBay. Perhaps I will 
have better luck with that. 

Thanks again for all your suggestions. 

Rob J. 



On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Alex Sciortino wrote:

 I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a 
 G5. The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x.

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Re: What is slowing down my G 4

2012-12-13 Thread Dan 

At 11:59 PM -0500 12/12/2012, Norm Rowe wrote:
Mac G4 with OS 10.5.8 with 2gig memory was running ok but lately get 
notices about upgrading to adobe on several web sites. This has lest 
to a marked slow down on my Mac. Any connection?


Marked slow down in what way?  That's a generalism that's about as 
useful as telling your mechanic that your car won't go without 
bothering to mention that you didn't open the garage door.  So give 
us some details, please.  What exactly is slow?  What app(s) are 
involved?  What does Activity Monitor show?


wrt Flash...  Some web sites are using some new grody code to 
determine what version of Flash you have installed.  It takes longer 
to finish, and that will hold up page loading.  The solution there is 
to use something like ClickToFlash or ClickToPlugin etc.


A recent thread on this list, Flash 11.5 Only discussed the 
hacked Flash plugin that gets around that problem sometimes.


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Re: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

2012-12-13 Thread Richard Gerome 
  I don't know if anyone talked about this or not? Is this a PC 9800? If it is it needs to have the rom flashed besides taping 3 and 11 pins...-Original Message-
From: frrob 
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Subject: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

Hello again!Well, I have given up on the 9800. I spent several hours again yesterday trying unsuccessfully to get the MDD to boot "normally". I finally removed *every* hard drive except the boot drive (OWC 115 GB SSD), and every PCI card. No joy. I replaced the PRAM battery - that didn't help either. I even remove the tape from pins 3  11. No help there either.In fact, I could only get the machine to boot without the flashing molex warning once. Out of some 20 attempts to start the machine, on all but one attempt, regardless of what I did, I got the flashing molex warning. I tested continuity on all the molex splitter leads, and all were OK. So, I'm guessing that there may be a defect in the card. Perhaps a cracked trace, or something. I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. But for now I am back to the 9000. I've purchased a 9600 XT on eBay. Perhaps I will have better luck with that. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Rob J. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Alex Sciortino wrote: I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a  G5. The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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