Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread arichic...@gmail.com
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_other_services_axed

Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they do this?
And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like
NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I
do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than
presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks
ads and many other good things to keep it low-end.

Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss
reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to
extant email lists?

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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread JoeTaxpayer
I just use the News and Blogs reader in Thunderbird. Anything not great 
with this option?

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:47:20 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote:


 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_other_services_axed
  

 Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they do 
 this? 
 And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like 
 NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I 
 do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than 
 presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks 
 ads and many other good things to keep it low-end. 

 Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss 
 reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to 
 extant email lists? 


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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread a1
I am not a real fan of the Thunderbird interface, either, and like
NetNewsWire, it is tethered to one computer, isn't it?

Here is a good article discussing the situation. Man is Google messing
up.

http://web.appstorm.net/roundups/rssfeeds/google-reader-is-dead-heres-what-you-need-to-replace-google-reader/

On Mar 14, 8:44 am, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just use the News and Blogs reader in Thunderbird. Anything not great
 with this option?







 On Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:47:20 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote:

 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_...

  Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they do
  this?
  And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like
  NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I
  do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than
  presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks
  ads and many other good things to keep it low-end.

  Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss
  reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to
  extant email lists?

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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread JoeTaxpayer
Understood. Yes, I read it like mail on one computer only. I can see how 
that's not ideal for many people. 

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:05:48 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote:

 I am not a real fan of the Thunderbird interface, either, and like 
 NetNewsWire, it is tethered to one computer, isn't it? 

 Here is a good article discussing the situation. Man is Google messing 
 up. 


 http://web.appstorm.net/roundups/rssfeeds/google-reader-is-dead-heres-what-you-need-to-replace-google-reader/
  

 On Mar 14, 8:44 am, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I just use the News and Blogs reader in Thunderbird. Anything not 
 great 
  with this option? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:47:20 AM UTC-4, a1 wrote: 
  
  http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9237592/Google_Reader_several_... 

  
   Google Reader is probably my most used web app of all. Why would they 
 do 
   this? 
   And what to do now with a PPC/Leopard setup? I don't really like 
   NetNewsWire for a variety of reasons. I don't like the little ads, I 
   do not like how it takes me to a webpage for a blog rather than 
   presenting the content within itself. On Aurora, Google Reader blocks 
   ads and many other good things to keep it low-end. 
  
   Also count me among those opposed to Wordpress esp without a good rss 
   reader! Why can't the Wordpress content automatically be forwarded to 
   extant email lists? 


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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 14, 2013, at 8:05 AM, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not a real fan of the Thunderbird interface, either, and like
 NetNewsWire, it is tethered to one computer, isn't it?
 
 Here is a good article discussing the situation. Man is Google messing
 up.
 
 http://web.appstorm.net/roundups/rssfeeds/google-reader-is-dead-heres-what-you-need-to-replace-google-reader/

One huge point: Google reader is the google *application* to read your google 
*account's* RSS feeds. You can use other readers with your google account. I 
use Reeder on both my Macs and iPad and everything stays nicely in sync. 
NetNewsReader also supports a google account, iirc.

And I agree with many. If the mailing lists get shut down, well, so long and 
thanks for all the fish. :-( 

Web forums are well-nigh unreadable, not easily combined and filterable (all my 
LEM lists are filtered into two folders in my mail client Desktops and 
Laptops), and I've never met one that was nearly as usable as a mailing list.

In particular I HATE being sent to a web forum because 'somewhere in this 
frakking 3,234 screen thread is the answer to what you want, interspersed with 
everyone's 200 pixel high dancing avatars with another 100 px of decorative 
frome and dark red fonts on a black background because it looks like 1334 h4X0r 
eyecandy so you get like 4 actual posts per page that takes 30 seconds to 
reload. And FSM forbid you click on the miniscule 3-pixel high '' one pixel 
away from the '' icon that sends you from whatever page you were on to page 
3,234, with no way back.

Hmm, have I mentioned my visceral hatred of web forums before?? :-)


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What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?

2013-03-14 Thread spilrules
I was copying a very large backup file from an external USB HD device and 
walked away from the computer. Upon returning a couple hours later, it was 
not running and I tried to remember if I had shut it off or not, pretty 
sure I had not.  I pushed the start button and nothing happened, completely 
dead.  I noticed the power plug connected was not lit green as it usually 
had been. Battery indicator showed a full charge.

Prior to this, I started to notice that the power cord would not change 
from the orange color to green when the powerbook was typically finished 
charging, even though the desktop showed the battery to be charged at 100%.

Prior to this, about 3 days earlier, I plugged a USB flash drive in to copy 
a file to it, and the spinning beachball appeared and after waiting for an 
eternity and not being able to get the computer to respond at all, I pushed 
in the power button and held it for a few seconds until it shut down. Upon 
restart, my dock which is set to appear and disappear would not show up and 
I had to go to preferences and set it to always appear in order to see it. 
While doing this I noticed that all of the drop down menus would not 
highlight as you would scroll the mouse over them or pop open on tabs 
unless clicked.  Tired from a long day, I shut it down and the next day it 
functioned fine as it used to.  Unsure if any of this is related to it now 
not responding to anything at all. The battery shows a full charge when 
pushing the indicator button on it. 

The power cord is not damaged as I have 4 of them and they all work 
properly and light up with my other functioning 12 powerbook, but not this 
one, which is:

Powerbook G4 1.67mhz, 15, 2 gb ram, running OSX 10.4.11 

Any advice is greatly appreciated!







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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Scott

On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 And I agree with many. If the mailing lists get shut down, well, so long and 
 thanks for all the fish. :-( 
 
 Web forums are well-nigh unreadable, not easily combined and filterable (all 
 my LEM lists are filtered into two folders in my mail client Desktops and 
 Laptops), and I've never met one that was nearly as usable as a mailing list.
 
 In particular I HATE being sent to a web forum because 'somewhere in this 
 frakking 3,234 screen thread is the answer to what you want, interspersed 
 with everyone's 200 pixel high dancing avatars with another 100 px of 
 decorative frome and dark red fonts on a black background because it looks 
 like 1334 h4X0r eyecandy so you get like 4 actual posts per page that takes 
 30 seconds to reload. And FSM forbid you click on the miniscule 3-pixel high 
 '' one pixel away from the '' icon that sends you from whatever page you 
 were on to page 3,234, with no way back.
 
 Hmm, have I mentioned my visceral hatred of web forums before?? :-)
 

Hmm, since Bruce hijacked this thread to talk about LEM going to web forums 
(another thread altogether), I will compound his error by seconding his 
visceral hatred of web forums. Add to that the pernicious and apparently 
unstoppable spread of clubs whereby drugstores, grocery stores, and just 
about every other seller of something is forcing customers to join their club 
or be discriminated against with higher prices. They can call it customer 
loyalty program or whatever BS they want, but I refuse to carry around a piece 
of plastic to show my fealty to every seller who wants me to buy something from 
them. And did I mention how I really, really hate people who don't use turn 
signals, and especially those who think it's perfectly all right to slow down 
for a stop sign but roll right on through if, in their judgment, it's safe to 
do so? 

Be careful about this LEM forum thing, Dan. I understand it makes sense for you 
in a lot of ways. But the downside is that it very likely will cause the 
disintegration of a worldwide community of like-minded folks you've spent way 
more than a decade creating and maintaining. So farewell, Bruce, Dan, Dan and 
the rest of you who have enlightened my mailbox for years.

Jim Scott
Eureka, CA

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Can't connect to TVGuide.com

2013-03-14 Thread Michael McMurtrey
As of yesterday I cannot connect to this site (204.153.26.245) using  
Safari 5.0.6, OS X 10.5.8, over Verizon's DSL.


I cannot ping the site (10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received,  
100% packet loss).


Traceroute ends at my router IP address.

This is the only site I apparently cannot contact using Safari. I can  
connect to it using Internet Explorer 5.2.3 and Stainless 0.8.


So the problem would seem to lie within Safari. I have repaired  
permissions, but the problem persists. How do I fix it?



Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX

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Re: Can't connect to TVGuide.com

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net wrote:

 As of yesterday I cannot connect to this site (204.153.26.245) using Safari 
 5.0.6, OS X 10.5.8, over Verizon's DSL.
 
 I cannot ping the site (10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% 
 packet loss).
 
 Traceroute ends at my router IP address.

This means your ISP is blocking UDP packets, usually done to 'make things 
secure form ev1l l334 h4X0rz' and messing up everyone who has a routing 
problem...

host 204.153.26.245
245.26.153.204.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer akamai-origin.tvguide.com.

I can only get partway to it and cannot ping it at all.


 
 This is the only site I apparently cannot contact using Safari. I can connect 
 to it using Internet Explorer 5.2.3 and Stainless 0.8.
 
 So the problem would seem to lie within Safari. I have repaired permissions, 
 but the problem persists. How do I fix it?

Clear your cache and history. Permissions have nothing to do with this.

I cannot think of anything else that would block Safari from accessing the 
site, unless some Parental Permissions thing has been enabled? I know you can 
block specific websites; I don't know if this will affect all web browsers or 
just Safari.

The ONLY time 'repair permissions' will ever fix anything is if you 
specifically get an error related to permissions immediately after an Apple 
update, either in the Finder as an actual error pop-up or in the Console.

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Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?

2013-03-14 Thread spilrules
thanks for the advice, however it did not solve the problem. It is still 
dead. Absolutely nothing happens when I push the power button. Battery 
still indicates full charge.
Any other advice?
Thanks!

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:48:03 AM UTC-7, spilrules wrote:

 I was copying a very large backup file from an external USB HD device and 
 walked away from the computer. Upon returning a couple hours later, it was 
 not running and I tried to remember if I had shut it off or not, pretty 
 sure I had not.  I pushed the start button and nothing happened, completely 
 dead.  I noticed the power plug connected was not lit green as it usually 
 had been. Battery indicator showed a full charge.

 Prior to this, I started to notice that the power cord would not change 
 from the orange color to green when the powerbook was typically finished 
 charging, even though the desktop showed the battery to be charged at 100%.

 Prior to this, about 3 days earlier, I plugged a USB flash drive in to 
 copy a file to it, and the spinning beachball appeared and after waiting 
 for an eternity and not being able to get the computer to respond at all, I 
 pushed in the power button and held it for a few seconds until it shut 
 down. Upon restart, my dock which is set to appear and disappear would not 
 show up and I had to go to preferences and set it to always appear in order 
 to see it. While doing this I noticed that all of the drop down menus would 
 not highlight as you would scroll the mouse over them or pop open on tabs 
 unless clicked.  Tired from a long day, I shut it down and the next day it 
 functioned fine as it used to.  Unsure if any of this is related to it now 
 not responding to anything at all. The battery shows a full charge when 
 pushing the indicator button on it. 

 The power cord is not damaged as I have 4 of them and they all work 
 properly and light up with my other functioning 12 powerbook, but not this 
 one, which is:

 Powerbook G4 1.67mhz, 15, 2 gb ram, running OSX 10.4.11 

 Any advice is greatly appreciated!









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Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?

2013-03-14 Thread Eric Hall
Did you take the battery completely out, wait a few and put it back in? Or try 
to start it without the battery?

Eric 





 From: spilrules t...@tomstock.us
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?
 

thanks for the advice, however it did not solve the problem. It is still dead. 
Absolutely nothing happens when I push the power button. Battery still 
indicates full charge.
Any other advice?
Thanks!

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:48:03 AM UTC-7, spilrules wrote:
I was copying a very large backup file from an external USB HD device and 
walked away from the computer. Upon returning a couple hours later, it was not 
running and I tried to remember if I had shut it off or not, pretty sure I had 
not.  I pushed the start button and nothing happened, completely dead.  I 
noticed the power plug connected was not lit green as it usually had been. 
Battery indicator showed a full charge.

Prior to this, I started to notice that the power cord would not change from 
the orange color to green when the powerbook was typically finished charging, 
even though the desktop showed the battery to be charged at 100%.

Prior to this, about 3 days earlier, I plugged a USB flash drive in to copy a 
file to it, and the spinning beachball appeared and after waiting for an 
eternity and not being able to get the computer to respond at all, I pushed in 
the power button and held it for a few seconds until it shut down. Upon 
restart, my dock which is set to appear and disappear would not show up and I 
had to go to preferences and set it to always appear in order to see it. While 
doing this I noticed that all of the drop down menus would not highlight as 
you would scroll the mouse over them or pop open on tabs unless clicked.  
Tired from a long day, I shut it down and the next day it functioned fine as 
it used to.  Unsure if any of this is related to it now not responding to 
anything at all. The battery shows a full charge when pushing the indicator 
button on it. 

The power cord is not damaged as I have 4 of them and they all work properly 
and light up with my other functioning 12 powerbook, but not this one, which 
is:

Powerbook G4 1.67mhz, 15, 2 gb ram, running OSX 10.4.11 

Any advice is greatly appreciated!








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Thank you LEM - WAS::: Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread Jerry
Its often difficult to impossible to understand the reasoning behind a 
move like this from the outside, and since I do not provide support to 
LEM first hand, I realize exactly where my opinion weighs.


I would ask that some form of a mailing list, such as Mailman, or 
something similar be retained.  I do not plan to follow if the list is 
moved from a mail list to a web based forum.


If LEM end up as only a web based forum, I would like to take this time, 
when we are all still together as a group, to say thank you to everyone 
who made LEM happen.  It was a great run and I very much appreciated all 
of the efforts made that kept this list alive.


Jerry


On 03/14/13 01:11 PM, Jim Scott wrote:


Hmm, since Bruce hijacked this thread to talk about LEM going to web

forums (another thread altogether), I will compound his error by
seconding his visceral hatred of web forums. Add to that the pernicious
and apparently unstoppable spread of clubs whereby drugstores, grocery
stores, and just about every other seller of something is forcing
customers to join their club or be discriminated against with higher
prices. They can call it customer loyalty program or whatever BS they
want, but I refuse to carry around a piece of plastic to show my fealty
to every seller who wants me to buy something from them. And did I
mention how I really, really hate people who don't use turn signals, and
especially those who think it's perfectly all right to slow down for a
stop sign but roll right on through if, in their judgment, it's safe
to do so?


Be careful about this LEM forum thing, Dan. I understand it makes

sense for you in a lot of ways. But the downside is that it very likely
will cause the disintegration of a worldwide community of like-minded
folks you've spent way more than a decade creating and maintaining. So
farewell, Bruce, Dan, Dan and the rest of you who have enlightened my
mailbox for years.


Jim Scott
Eureka, CA



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Re: What killed the G4 Powerbook, i.e. is it really dead?

2013-03-14 Thread Clark Martin

On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Eric Hall wrote:

 Did you take the battery completely out, wait a few and put it back in? Or 
 try to start it without the battery?

Take the battery out, unplug the adapter and press the power button and wait 10 
minutes.  Then reconnect power and hit the power button, then insert the 
battery.

This should drain any capacitors that may be holding enough charge to keep some 
circuits powered and in a confused state.

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Re: Can't connect to TVGuide.com

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Ken Daggett kadagg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 On 14 Mar 2013, at 12:01:29 PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 I can only get partway to it and cannot ping it at all.
 ---
 Firefox 3.6.2.8 popped right to the site.

All my browsers were able to get to it. However a large number of networks 
block the UDP packets that ping and traceroute use, as a security measure. 
(They can be used in reconnaisance of networks, as well in some cases, used in 
DDOS-style attacks.)


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Re: Google Reader going away, now what?

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Koralatov li...@koralatov.com wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 16:21, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 One huge point: Google reader is the google *application* to read your
 google *account's* RSS feeds. You can use other readers with your
 google account. I use Reeder on both my Macs and iPad and everything
 stays nicely in sync. NetNewsReader also supports a google account,
 iirc.
 
 Google Reader is both the web-app, and the syncing back-end that keeps
 $RSS_APP in sync across your machines.  As I understand it, which may
 not be entirely correct, when Google Reader goes away, the syncing API
 and corresponding functionality goes away too…

Yah I've been doing some more reading about that. This suxrox badly. Per the 
twittertwatter machine, though, at least the author of Reeder is promising 
ongoing support of some sort.



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Re: New Forums

2013-03-14 Thread Dan

On 13 Mar, Dan Knight blerted:
We've started the process of migrating to WordPress forums, and 
today   I'm announcing that the Power Macs (G3-5) forum is ready to 
go. Please go to \url\ and create a login ID and password so you can 
participate.


Apropos to what?  What is the point of this transition?

As I replied to Dan's blert on the iMac List, and got NO response:

The ppc page takes about 45 secs to load (Safari, Leopard, 
QuickSilver, with a 15/5 fiber connection).


The right hand column - mostly ads, keeps flashing then redrawing, 
making the whole page distractingly unreadable.  Looks like this is 
site-wide?


I hit the Login link and was quickly taken to a login page.  My old 
LEM login doesn't work, so I hit the register link.  Took me a 
while to realize that there is a field next to the captcha graphic -- 
it has no outline, so it's basically invisible.  And no matter what I 
do, the captcha fails.


Now, I'm really confused as to the whole point of this.  Are you 
saying you're removing us from Google Groups?  You're maintaining the 
bazillion group split?  What about archives?


At 1:11 AM +0100 03/14/2013, t...@nehaia.dk wrote:

from the welcome message in the intel imac group:

I just want to take a moment to welcome you to the first of our
WordPress-based forums, which will replace the Google Groups that we've
used for years. You'll be able to use the same ID and password to log into
Low End Mac and the forums - and you should even be able to do that using
your Facebook, Twitter, or several other social networking IDs.


so, sadly, it seems we're at the end of things as we knew them :-(


The blert for the iMac list was on 12 Mar.  It is now two days later. 
Nothing has changed.  The registration does not work.  The page's ads 
still distractingly redraw.  The format of the page is just not 
usable.


format is generous.  The forums there seem to be crude throwbacks 
from the early 1980s bbs days.  At the minimum one would expect a 
full phpBB, that works with all browsers.  Does this worpress thing 
even support mailing lists?  Or is Dan expecting us to waste hours 
each day perusing individual slow forums on the web?


End of things is right.  At this point, I doubt I'll be making the 
transition.  GG's mailing lists work fine.  I've no interest in 
wasting time farking with a new set-up when the old one ain't broke.


If Dan has unilaterally decided to do this, with no input from his 
userbase... oh well.  Maybe it's time we did our own Google Groups 
and maybe hooked up with a site like everymac.com?  That site's pages 
DO work on older Macs.


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Re: New Forums

2013-03-14 Thread a1
1. Can't ownership of this group simply be transferred, and then we
could all just stay put?
2. Can a new group be created and the archives forwarded?
3. If everyone is fed up with Google, a Yahoo group could be created,
yes?
4. I have messages saved from as far back as 2004, from when the lists
were at mail.maclaunch.com. I think the move to Google for these lists
was the reason I made a Google account. I can't stand Chrome, the new
look of the Google Groups, the Standard View of Gmail [I use the html
version only]. The only thing I liked that was easy on the eyes and
easy to manage was Google Reader.

Somebody could get a listserv together if need be, yes? Dan can
advertise and promote LEM web forums but there is no reason people
could not separately, independently circulate listservs. I'd be happy
to have all pre-Intel stuff in one place again.

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