G5 Troubles
I picked up a G5 dual 2.0 PCI-x a couple of days ago. The hard drive had been wiped, but it started right up to the flashing ? I stuck in a retail 10.3 disk and installed and then upgraded to 10.4.11. It ran for a day or so and even successfully started Classic. Then, after a day of running properly, it won't launch. It does start with the proper Chime but then shows only a blank screen for several minutes before the fans gradually increase speed to max. I have: Reset NVRAM in Open Firmware: No change. Reset PRAM; No change. Installed new PRAM battery: No change. I opened it up, wiped all the fans clean, blew out a bit of dust. No change. I am looking for ideas from anyone who has more experience with this machine that I do. I have taken apart and put into operation most other types of Macs, from a 128 through DP Mirror Door, and a few PowerBooks, so I thought I might be able to save this machine from the scrappers. HELP! Ken -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: I picked up a G5 dual 2.0 PCI-x a couple of days ago. The hard drive had been wiped, but it started right up to the flashing ? I stuck in a retail 10.3 disk and installed and then upgraded to 10.4.11. It ran for a day or so and even successfully started Classic. Then, after a day of running properly, it won't launch. It does start with the proper Chime but then shows only a blank screen for several minutes before the fans gradually increase speed to max. I have: Reset NVRAM in Open Firmware: No change. Reset PRAM; No change. Installed new PRAM battery: No change. I opened it up, wiped all the fans clean, blew out a bit of dust. No change. I am looking for ideas from anyone who has more experience with this machine that I do. I have taken apart and put into operation most other types of Macs, from a 128 through DP Mirror Door, and a few PowerBooks, so I thought I might be able to save this machine from the scrappers. HELP! Ken -- Unplug all cables including AC, Press CUDA switch for ten seconds. If that doesn't help reseat the RAM. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013 1:14 PM, Ken Daggett kadagg...@gmail.com wrote: Then, after a day of running properly, it won't launch. It does start with the proper Chime but then shows only a blank screen for several minutes before the fans gradually increase speed to max. Have you tried another hard drive? I had a Mini that would spin its fans up to max on powerup, but with a blank screen. It came back to life as soon as the sketchy drive was disconnected. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: SSD in a G5
Hello, While trim is not going to be supported (unless there is some third party utility) The SSDs firmware will perform the garbage collection without the OSes help. I was thinking about a velociraptor myself for a fast boot drive but what about a segate momentus hybrid SSHD? It caches reads and learns the most used programs like those used at boot. Writes are just the same as a spinner though. Not sure about the noise of the raptor as well as the SSHD will be faster assuming the firmware GC is up to the job. Martin N At 03:00 25/07/2013, you wrote: Trim is outside the realm of possibility. Not sure If doing an erase free space procedure monthly or so would help a bit. Modern drive garbage collection is pretty good. Anybody got any benchmarks? I picked up a velociraptor to use in an old G4 rather than try to work through SSD issues. Sent from my mobile device. On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:58 PM, ah...clem mailto:boneheads...@gmail.comboneheads...@gmail.com wrote: anyone had success putting an SSD in a G5 and getting the maximum speed out of it? issues i'm aware of include the native SATA-1 interface, which will limit speed to a theoretical max of 187.5 MB/s, regardless of how fast the SSD itself is. the way around that is to use an expansion slot and a SATA-2 or SATA-3 controller. problem is, i'm having a hard time finding a PCI-e SATA-3 controller that's compatible and bootable. i tried one of the Apricorn Velocity Solo cards (PCI-e/sata-3 controller and carrier for 2.5 SSD), and it is indeed bootable in a 2009 MacPro, but it is invisible in my G5 quad. system profiler and disk utility don't even know it's there. it's supposed to work in ANY computer with a PCI-e slot. waiting to hear back from customer support. one bit of good news i can share is that at $43 (sans drive) it was an appealing alternative to the much more costly Sonnet cards, and outrageously expensive Accelsior cards, and it works flawlessly in a MacPro, delivering a read/write speed of 480 MB/s (if your SSD is up to it), just not the G5 i intended it for. anyone have any other suggestions, or success stories with other hdwe? TIA for all replies. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706–90) -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On 29 Jul 2013, at 15:14:29 PDT, NODEraser wrote: Have you tried another hard drive? I had a Mini that would spin its fans up to max on powerup, but with a blank screen. It came back to life as soon as the sketchy drive was disconnected. --- Haven't tried a new HD as I don't have any serial ATA drives on hand. This the first machine (other than my wife's laptop) that uses these. I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. Ken -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. These symptoms are similar to what happens with a partial power supply failure. You might get a multimeter and carefully check out the voltages using this G5 pinout diagram. As I remember, my G5 lost all the +3.3V when it failed, resulting in a black boot with runaway fans. Power Supply P1 Connector Pin# Signal Color -- Pin# Signal Color 1 +5Vstb Purple - 13 GND Black 2 GND Black - 14 Power ON Green 3 FANtach White/Yellow -- 15 GND Black 4 GND Black - 16 Reserved 5 Reserved -- 17 GND Black 6 GND Black - 18 RTNaud(GND) Black 7 +12Vaud (12V2) Yellow - 19 GND Black 8 GND Black - 20 +5V sense Red 9 +3.3V sense Orange 21 GND Black 10 GND Black 22 -12V Blue 11 GND Black 23 GND Black 12 Reserved - 24 Reserved Power Supply P2 Connector Pin# Signal Color --- Pin# Signal Color 1 +3.3V Orange --- 9 +5V Red 2 +3.3V Orange -- 10 +5V Red 3 +3.3V Orange -- 11 +5V Red 4 +3.3V Orange -- 12 +12V3 Yellow 5 Reserve --- 13 +12V3 Yellow 6 +12Vfan Yellow 14 +12V1 Yellow 7 +12Vfan(12V2) Yellow -- 15 +12V1 Yellow 8 +25V White 16 RTNfan(GND) Black Power Supply P3 Connector Pin# Signal Color --- Pin# Signal Color 1 +5V Red 5 +5V Red 2 GND Black -- 6 GND Black 3 GND Black -- 7 GND Black 4 12V2 Yellow 8 +12V2 Yellow -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 29, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. These symptoms are similar to what happens with a partial power supply failure. You might get a multimeter and carefully check out the voltages using this G5 pinout diagram. As I remember, my G5 lost all the +3.3V when it failed, resulting in a black boot with runaway fans. Possibly reseat all connections on logic board? Including HDD. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 29 Jul 2013, at 15:14:29 PDT, NODEraser wrote: Have you tried another hard drive? I had a Mini that would spin its fans up to max on powerup, but with a blank screen. It came back to life as soon as the sketchy drive was disconnected. --- Haven't tried a new HD as I don't have any serial ATA drives on hand. This the first machine (other than my wife's laptop) that uses these. I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. Try just disconnecting the HD. If it's the HD you should get the flashing question mark. If it does then stick in the boot DVD-ROM and see if it comes up okay. Try pulling the PRAM battery. I don't know if the G5 will boot this way but it's worth a shot. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On 7/29/13 7:20 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Ken Daggett wrote: On 29 Jul 2013, at 15:14:29 PDT, NODEraser wrote: Have you tried another hard drive? I had a Mini that would spin its fans up to max on powerup, but with a blank screen. It came back to life as soon as the sketchy drive was disconnected. --- Haven't tried a new HD as I don't have any serial ATA drives on hand. This the first machine (other than my wife's laptop) that uses these. I was hoping to resurrect this machine with no significant $$ outlay. I did as John Carmonne suggested (reset CUDA and reseat RAM) but still no joy. Try just disconnecting the HD. If it's the HD you should get the flashing question mark. If it does then stick in the boot DVD-ROM and see if it comes up okay. Try pulling the PRAM battery. I don't know if the G5 will boot this way but it's worth a shot. Check the battery. Being in storage could have run down battery. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: Check the battery. Being in storage could have run down battery. Yes, I 2nd this, excellent advise, and often a problem. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Troubles
On 29 Jul 2013, at 20:15:35 PDT, Kris Tilford wrote: Check the battery. Being in storage could have run down battery. Yes, I 2nd this, excellent advise, and often a problem. Well, as I mentioned, I did install a new PRAM battery, though the old one measured at 3.6v. Status update: as suggested, I disconnected the HD and started. The machine showed the flashing ?. Put in an OS 10.4 install disk. Machine booted to the DVD. Shut down and reconnected the HD. Booted to the DVD and called Disk Utility. Drive was visible but attempts to Repair failed. I erased the HD, with zero out as the option. Installed 10.4 and updated to 10.4.11. Seems to boot OK. The HD may be flaky as suggested, but the rest of the machine seems OK. I wasn't looking forward to probing the power supply pins as a failure there would be $$ that I would rather put to a new machine. If the rest of the machine is good, I will try finding a 2 or 3 Tb HD and give it a home. Thanks for the assist. Ken -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
