Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
I am only trying to have one hard drive installed at a time, and I want to set it up as the boot drive. I am not quite sophisticated nor interested enough to figure out how to put two hard drives on my ATA bus, especially since I really want to keep that third drive bay open to take advantage of that nice SCSI cable sitting in there. I have some even OLDER Macs I need to keep running, and they all require SCSI drives. I have tried the Seagate drive with the jumpers set to either the single drive setting, or the cable select setting. I have not tried the Quantum drive with an alternative jumper setting. On Monday, April 14, 2014 10:17:53 PM UTC-4, mhfadams wrote: On Apr 14, 2014, at 13:16 , Iamanamma wrote: I took one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using an OS 8.6 install disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. You had two drives, or just one? If two, is it the boot drive that was suspect, or the other one? Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS 8.6? Newer systems are always being updated to handle improved drive technologies, so it is quite possible that 9.2 would see something that 8.6 didn't. The size of the drives is also important, as every OS version and machine have their own limits. Is the Seagate larger than the Quantum? Is the Seagate larger that 128 GB ? Is it the Seagate that is only being seen by OS 9.2? or the Quantum ? Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. Yes, it could be, but if OS 9 is seeing the drive and OS 8 is not, then that is less likely. If you have two drives installed, and one is set to 'master' or 'slave' then the other drive needs to be set to the other setting. If one drive is 'cable select' then so should the other. Manoah F. Adams federaladamsfamily.com/developer -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
I made some progress today, I have an old copy of DiskWarrior, and when I started up from that CD, the new Seagate hard drive mounted (with the jumpers set to cable select). I ran DiskWarrior and then restarted from the OS 8.6 CD. The drive mounted again. Since the drive is a little on the large side, I partitioned it as I have seen recommended. Right now the G3 is chugging along, installing OS 8.6 onto 7 GB partition I made in the hard drive. Wish me luck. On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:16:58 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: I am having trouble getting this old Mac to recognize hard drives. I took one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using an OS 8.6 install disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. I had a new ATA hard drive, so I took the old one out and replaced it. I started up from the CD, and the same thing happened. Nothing was visible on the ATA bus. I got out another install disk, 9.2 this time, and restarted from it. This time I used Apple System Profiler to see if anything was there, and sure enough it was. I re-initialized the disk (Macintosh OS Standard), shut down and started up from the OS 8.6 disk again. Again, no hard drive on the ATA bus. Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS 8.6? Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. I really need this unit to be running OS 8.6 and not 9. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
Success! On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:00:38 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: I made some progress today, I have an old copy of DiskWarrior, and when I started up from that CD, the new Seagate hard drive mounted (with the jumpers set to cable select). I ran DiskWarrior and then restarted from the OS 8.6 CD. The drive mounted again. Since the drive is a little on the large side, I partitioned it as I have seen recommended. Right now the G3 is chugging along, installing OS 8.6 onto 7 GB partition I made in the hard drive. Wish me luck. On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:16:58 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: I am having trouble getting this old Mac to recognize hard drives. I took one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using an OS 8.6 install disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. I had a new ATA hard drive, so I took the old one out and replaced it. I started up from the CD, and the same thing happened. Nothing was visible on the ATA bus. I got out another install disk, 9.2 this time, and restarted from it. This time I used Apple System Profiler to see if anything was there, and sure enough it was. I re-initialized the disk (Macintosh OS Standard), shut down and started up from the OS 8.6 disk again. Again, no hard drive on the ATA bus. Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS 8.6? Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. I really need this unit to be running OS 8.6 and not 9. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
I have tried the Seagate drive with the jumpers set to either the single drive setting, or the cable select setting. I have not tried the Quantum drive with an alternative jumper setting. Apple began using Cable Select cables with the BW G3, after it had licensed hp/Compaq's patent on cable select and the hardware in the host adapter which supports it. Cable Select involves cutting certain wires in the 40-pin/80-wire ribbon cable, and the, using three different types of connectors, each of which appears to be the same, but are internally different. With a Beige, Apple was not using Cable Select, it was using 40-pin/40-wire ribbon cables, so your best option is ... on Rev 2 or Rev 3 ROM machines (this won't work on Rev 1 ROM machines) ... to set one drive to Master and the other drive to Slave. It is customary for the farthest away drive to be Master, but this is not a real requirement as masters and slaves are really peers. On a BW or later, simply set both drives to Cable Select. Indeed, on a BW and later, the Zip drive may be replaced by an additional hard drive, although the Zip drive carrier is drilled for M3 retention screws in a Zip pattern, and not for #6-32 UNC retention screws in a hard drive patterd. No matter, a hard drive may be installed in the Zip drive carrier without screws, if that suits you. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
