Re: My DA G4 died.
Agree with Valter with regards to power supply. I'm using an ATX PC power supply on my G4 mystic,,, higher wattage than the OEM though. I remember it being a total rewire job tracing back all the wires (24?) and connecting them to the correct/like voltage of the mac. Had to cut wires since the output plugs weren't compatible between the Mac and the ATX. It wasn't the easiest hack I've ever done, but that was 6-7 years ago and still running. Keyboards are pretty much interchangeable but remember that the boot process will only see USB hardwired inputs until the OS is mounted,,, have an old microsoft one that I use when wanting to initiate special commands during boot, ie single user mode. On 7/29/17, Cameron Kaiserwrote: >> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at >> office max/depot whatever it is. I would >> think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a >> possibility? > > It would basically work, though some keys might be missing, and some keys > on that keyboard might not map. > >> Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they >> both >> use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet >> ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the >> bigger drives from the G4 in >> the S900? > > Most Sonnet cards (which specific model?) do work in old beige Macs and are > bootable in those systems, including with the classic Mac OS. > > -- > personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ > -- > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * > ckai...@floodgap.com > -- 10% of computer users [use] Mac ... the top 10 percent. -- Douglas Adams > --- > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "G-Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Need help installing and booting OS9 on G4 Quicksilver 2002
If memory serves, and it often doesn't, the install disks are machine specific. Might want to try a generic OSX disk that supports classic, ie Panther, Tiger, and use the OS9 folder and drivers included. On 1/17/16, Brad Waitwrote: > Hi > > I just bought a used G4 quicksilver 2002 power mac (this one: > http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html). > > > > I want it to boot from OS9, and I don't really need to run OSX. I thought > this would be simple to set up, but apparently not. > > Unfortunately, I bought this used without any install CDs. For the seller's > > privacy, I wiped the hard disk by connecting the G4 via firewire to my OSX > laptop, and using the latest disk utility. This wiped any OS9 drivers from > > the disk. The newer OSX disk utility would not let me install the OS9 > drivers on the reformatted drives. There is no 'install OS9 drivers' > checkbox. > > Two questions: > > >1. IF I can find a bootable OS9 installer CD, will it install the OS9 >drivers automatically to the reformatted hard drive? Or, will it not be > >able to see the drive at all when it boots up? >2. I need help getting a bootable OS9 CD. I found several ISOs online >that I burned to a CD using my OSX laptop. But none of ISOs appear to be > >bootable on the G4. I am stumped as to why this doesn't work. Here are > the >ones I have tried: > > >- > > http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/power-mac-g4-quicksilver-2002-restore-discs > > - http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0 > > Anyone have suggestions? > > Thanks > -Brad > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "G-Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?
FWIW, i've bee using a Firmtek seritek 1s2 internal card for the last 5-6 years with 1 and 2 tb Sata 1 drives and a 3 tb WD SATA III drive. Using a PPC Gigabit Ethernet (Mystic) running 10.4.11 . Had to partition the WD 3 tb into a 1 and 2 tb section from an external case before I could format it natively. YMMV On 9/21/15, 'glenstrek' via G-Groupwrote: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028 > > I'm thinking of using this SYBA SY-PCI140010 PCI card to add a SATA drive > to my G4 Sawtooth. I have checked the SYBA site and it does have an OS X > driver with a 2010 date. It does not say what version of OS X. Has anyone > had any success or failure with this card? It has a SIL3124 Chipset. The > hard drive is a 320 MB SATA II. The Sawtooth has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade > processor with 2 GB RAM and running 10.4.11. > > The Sawtooth recognizes the full 320 GB of the drive when attached via a > USB 2.0 card or the USB 1.1 native bus using a SATA-USB adapter. I would > rather have the drive inside the computer and be able to boot the drive > into 10.4.11. I can't do that when connected with USB on that old G4. My > other option is a SATA/Firewire external enclosure which should be bootable > > and would cost about the same. > > This is a temporary solution until I fix or replace my recently failed G5. > I need to open files in Adobe CS2 and FileMaker 7 so 10.4.11 preferred, > 10.5.8 or maybe even 10.6.8 with an Intel Mac. > > Any thoughts or ideas? Thanks once again --glen > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "G-Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Giant Sata HD bolluxes up my DA G4
FWIW, I have been using giant SATA drives for the last 5-6 years with my 2002 G4 Mystic, which is an earlier machine than the DA. I currently have a Seritek 1s2 pci SATA card (2 internal ports) with a 2tb Seagate and a 3tb Western digital mounted above the optical drive slot. I have also used a 4 port seritek card that I abandoned due to intermittent sleep issues. I believe these both were SATA I cards, though I have the newer SATA II and III drives, which are supposed to be backward compatible, and were in my case. If I recall, certain drives had issues with the chipsets in the pci cards, but most were compatible. The only problem I've had was formatting the WD 3 tb drive, which I did with an OWC Voyager external firewire/usb/sata box. (Disk utility only saw 2 tb, which I think is the systems upper limit, thus 2tb and 1 tb partitions were needed). I'm stuck with a pokey 100 bus, but have still have experienced a noticeable improvement in performance with these large capacity Sata drives, much faster than using an external firewire box like the Voyager. I got a 2TB sata HD and Pata Sata converter for it to use in my DA G4 running 10.1.11. It's hooked up to a 133ATA card. I have 120GB boot drive and 300GB data drive. The computer just hangs on boot-up. The optical drive does nothing. Starting with the optical empty does nothing. The computer just hangs. It's had startup issues for some time. It order to reboot it you have to use the button on the front. Same for shutdown. I just let it run all the time. Looks like the giant 2TB is useless for this machine and I realize this computer is 15 years old. Unless somebody has some ideas. Thanks Mark Murphy -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comg3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optouthttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Missing file and failure to launch
This is an odd one, at least for me. I'm using two 2 tb sata drives behind a seritek internal card on my ancient G4 Mystic, and backing up (clone) via Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) manually every two weeks or so. My everyday drive, WD2, is one of 2 partitions, my backup drive uses none, with 10.4.11 PPC on both. I've let WD2 get a bit to full on occasion lately (less than 20 gb free space at times). Safari crashes (not that unusual these days) and won't relaunch. I try all the usual trashing of preferences, caches, plugins, etc, reboot and run applejack to no avail. Then itunes won't launch. Boot up the backup drive and all is well there. Run disk warrior on WD2 with no major problems found. Try replacing the offending apps from the backup and reboot into WD2 to no avail. Run Disk Utility to recheck permissions, check The Google for solutions no luck. In desperation and running out of time, I decide to clone over my most important files with CCC, leaving the Application folder and system files unchecked,,, CCC won't boot. Other apps, including apples preview, text edit, are still launching and working fine. I reboot the backup and run CCC, attempting to clone over emails and recent work/files using WD2 as source (not recommended,,, what a mess!). CCC warns me and doesn't clone over system files and apps. When done, CCC displays an error message saying there were problems with the attributes of a /.vol file. I check the WD2 drive with the venerable FindPro and Word 5.1 (able to find and sometimes open invisible files and folders), and lo and behold, no .vol file at root level or anywhere else for that matter. When checking the backup drive I found an alias for a .vol file at root. If I knew how to use the terminal or the exact nature of this .vol file/alias, I'd be willing to try and copy it over from my backup, but I have reached the upper layers of my incompetence and need the help of the experts Please ? Thanks,,, be back this evening. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Browers that don't crash
I'm running the last Safari and latest TenFourFox, using Tiger on a Mystic, which is a similar environment to your setup. I could try some sites your having issues with and see if I get similar results. I too have been having some stalling and crashes with sites like Facebook, Huffington Post, etc that are running Flash scripts in the background. Like in the past, it will likely be the internet that drives me to an upgrade rather than the hardware failing. Frank Sorry for the confusion. I am running TenFourFox 17.07 On Monday, July 22, 2013 12:28:58 PM UTC-4, smac0031 wrote: I use Firefox 17.0.7. For the past couple of months Firefox quits all the time. I've steadily upgraded the thing but nothing changes. Sometimes I give up and try Safari again, but that quits too. I have a DA G4 running 10.4.11. Any suggestions, preferably none that cost money. -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Power Mac forum at LowEndMac.com
Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback. We will continue to maintain all of our lists on Google Groups as is and add online forums at lowendmac.com as an additional resource. That's great to hear, I was desperately trying to find alternatives to what I believed to be their demise. Thanks for keeping the mailing lists open, and all that you do Dan,,, a great resource. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote: signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day mainly saw ads. Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads? Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums. Looks like the fateful day is fast approaching,,, I'll be hanging around at: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u if anyone wants to know how to convert a PC ATX power supply for a Mystic, or other such arcane oddities. Hope to see some of my old friends dropping by from time to time. Best to All, and thanks for all the fish,,, Frank -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote: signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day mainly saw ads. Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads? Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums. Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of people here are my trusted, respected friends that I would greet enthusiastically if ever to meet offlist. WIll stay with lists for as long as possible and will only visit forums if help is needed. Best to All -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Power supply recomendations?
One by one, my MDD G4 collection has seen their power supplies fail. It seems the exact form factor is not available as a new product, only used. Which is tough, as it would probably fail soon anyway. Anyone have experience replacing these? Any advice on best model to fit inside the MDD case? I bought an ATX 400W supply and waited to start the conversion process. Now that I tested it, it's a DOA. My mistake waiting so long, but though I'd ask here before throwing more money at this. FWIW, I put an ATX 500 Watt unit ($25 new from Amazon) in my Mystic. I'd say you don't need to worry about the size and mounting holes as they seem fairly standard/compatible, but should be concerned about the orientation of the power plug, fan outlet, and wiring harness. Amazon had several units/models to choose from. Also, ATX doesn't have the 28 v lead which I didn't need as I'm not using an ADC monitor. There may be other issues with the MDD that I'm not aware of like waking from sleep,,, YMMV -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
The second thought is that maybe the PSU itself isn't capable of providing enought power for all of the components. And: warmed-up components may draw more power. FWIW I had the same problem when updating my Mystic to the flashed version of a 9800 pro card (taped pins). The general consensus found by browsing internet forums was that there just wasn't enough power in the OEM PSU (360 watt?) to handle everything (2 internal SATA, 2 ATA drives, DVD drive, and 9800 card). This thought was reinforced by the fact that only one of the SATA drives would boot up, but work fine with the other disconnected, or with the original card re-installed. As fate would have it my 10 year old OEM PSU failed shortly after installing the card,,, perhaps it was on it's way out anyway? Problem solved by replacing it with a 500 watt PC PSU, though I have had some intermittent sleep issues (crashes), presumably from the PC PSU not having a 28 volt standby voltage lead into the motherboard, which again presumably could be corrected by adding one independently or other hacks, which I haven't felt compelled to tackle. Replacing the PSU with a PC version is not for the faint of heart as it involves rewiring 22 output leads to the corresponding correct voltage inputs on the motherboard, and possible mounting issues, and may not be feasible with other G4 models. -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power output problem?
I've had a lot more connected to a G4 than a couple of drives and a 9800. My guess is that your power supply is getting marginal. After 12 years likely the capacitors in the power supply have started going. You could recap the power supply or do an atx conversion. Another option is to power some of the extra equipment from an external power supply, though if your power supply is on the way out then that'd be a short term solution OK, so I fired up this morning and was reading my mail when I had a total freeze up. Rebooted (had to pull the power cord) and was treated to a very nice graphic of the Radeon 9800 card with a flashing red power plug and no startup chime,,, guess you were spot on Wayne. Any advice on doing an ATX conversion ? Any heat problems? Thanks FYI anyone else following this thread. I was able to restart after disconnecting my 2 internal ATA drives (have them mirrored on the SATAs). I of course then had to try plugging in both SATA drives and voilla!,,, feels good to have my backups up to date again and will pick up a power supply to have on hand for that fateful morning when the inevitable happens. Thanks everyone. -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Power output problem?
Hi all, I may have finally hit the wall so to speak, in my attempts at keeping my trusty old G4 (dual 450 mystic) alive. A recent attempt to upgrade my video card to a flashed Radeon 9800 pro that required patching into the power supply via the connector cables that service the original cd/dvd drive (upgraded to Pioneer 106D). The original cable also provided an extension for plugging into an optional zip drive or other optical device, which I have dedicated to 2 internal 2tb drives via a seritek pci sata card (2 port internal only). The Radeon video card relies on yet another jumper cable to patch into the optical power circuit which physically works, but I lose both SATA drives (won't mount) when powering up. Oddly enough, if only one drive is connected I am able to boot from it regardless of which drive it is so I doubt there are any master/slave issues. WOuld like to resolve this issue so I can renew backing up the SATAs and try a Leopard upgrade on one. DOes anyone know if this is a voltage issue? The easiest fix that I see would be to disconnect the Pioneer optical drive and put it in an externally powered box but I have no idea if that will work? Thanks -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power output problem?
I've had a lot more connected to a G4 than a couple of drives and a 9800. My guess is that your power supply is getting marginal. After 12 years likely the capacitors in the power supply have started going. You could recap the power supply or do an atx conversion. Another option is to power some of the extra equipment from an external power supply, though if your power supply is on the way out then that'd be a short term solution Thanks Wayne, If I read you right, you think lowering the overall power demand might help rather than just lowering the demand on the optic drive 2 SATA drives, And 9800 circuit. I have the original OEM 30 gb drive plus a another 40 gb ATA drive that I really don't need except for some older OS's,,, I'm guessing the power demands on the 2 ATA must be at least the power drain of one of the 2tb SATAs? -- Frank Dutra PO Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fdut...@gmail.com Voice: (508) 292-1528 FAX: (815) 377-2407 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: yup, trash heap signals... had one do that to me... warranty? My 2002 OEM IBM clicked for the first 2 years and caused me to put in another drive for backup. The clicking went away after using a drive utility (TechTool on OS 9 I believe) and it has been silently plugging away ever since. Make a backup but stay away from the trash heap for awhile, -- Frank Dutra -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Power Crunch ?
Hello all, Moore's law seems to work in reverse,,, the more HD space I add, the more space I need for backup. I've just received my new Western Digital 2 tb Green drive and am impressed with it's size and weight and not just a little concerned about overtaxing my legacy machine's power supply. I also plan to upgrade my AGP OEM video card as I took a minor performance hit with the 22 Dell monitor. Will I be OK as far as the OEM power supply goes, and if not, would removing the 2 ATA drives help? Seems like just yesterday when I thought I would never need more space than those 2 combined. Any thoughts appreciated as well as ideas on partitioning schemes. The 1 Tb SATA is my boot drive and has only 1 partition, which I've regretted occasionally. Thanks, -- Frank Dutra running behind his: G4 Mac 450 Mhz Dual Processor Gigabit Ethernet booting to Tiger 10.4.11 OEM 30 GB ATA HD plus additional internal 40 GB IBM ATA HD, various USB devices 2 - external 250 gb ATA FireWire drives in OWC Oxford IDE devices 1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card Pioneer 106 (A06) DVD-R/CD-RW, driver patched for OS 9 running in Classic 2 gb ram, 22 Dell Monitor, Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI, Motorola wireless PCI -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Power Crunch ?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Frank Dutra fdut...@gmail.com wrote: Will I be OK as far as the OEM power supply goes, and if not, would removing the 2 ATA drives help? How many drives do you have? I'm only counting four. OEM 30 GB ATA HD plus additional internal 40 GB IBM ATA HD 1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card plus the your new Western Digital 2000 GB (I assume the 2 external drives use a separate power supply.) The grand total would be six, four internal and the 2 external FW drives self powered. Openning up the ATA drive slots/sleds would allow me to mount the 2 SATA drives where apple designed them to be which in theory, may be in a spot with optimal cooling. Rather unlike having them flopping around on top of the super drive I imagine. They account for less than 5 % of the 2 Tb's capacity, so I guess it wouldn't be that big of a loss. Thanks -- Frank Dutra running behind his: G4 Mac 450 Mhz Dual Processor Gigabit Ethernet booting to Tiger 10.4.11 OEM 30 GB ATA HD plus additional internal 40 GB IBM ATA HD, various USB devices 2 - external 250 gb ATA FireWire drives in OWC Oxford IDE devices 1 Tb Hitachi 7200 rpm SATA drive off a 2 port internal SeriTek152 PCI card Pioneer 106 (A06) DVD-R/CD-RW, driver patched for OS 9 running in Classic 2 gb ram, 22 Dell Monitor, Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI, Motorola wireless PCI -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Power Crunch ?
I didn't even notice the mention of the Adaptec OEM SCSI PCI until your note made me look for it. I also cannot see why he would keep that installed since it doesn't appear the OP is using it??? Curious. -irrational john Thanks John, I haven't used it since 2004 when a flash flood wiped out my scanner (this same computer had water creeping up over 4 high from the bottom, but somehow managed to stay pretty dry and never skipped a beat). I was never aware until now that a PCI card would use power without a device attached. Looks like I'll have a few spare parts after I wipe the drives. BTW, I have been booting into Tiger solely from the 1 Tb SATA since I installed it with the SerTek card -- Frank Dutra Nantucket Hydrangea Box 3402 Nantucket MA 02584 mailto: fr...@nantuckethydrangea.com Voice: (508) 228-2649 FAX: (815) 377-2407 http://www.NantucketHydrangea.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list