Re: 128GB Limit Question
Howdy, I bought a new (2008 manufacture) 80 gig drive at Fry's a couple of months ago. I don't remember the brand. It is the company Hitachi gets to manufacture a bunch of their drives in China. They were available as SATA only, which I thought was odd for a drive that size. I needed IDE and had to use an adapter. Good day, Ralph On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 12:45 -0700, PeterH wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Diane wrote: > > >> 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a > >> decade. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Diane wrote: >> 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a >> decade. > > My 2003 G4 FW800 came with one. My last "new" 120 GB drives were bought in Aug of 04, and those drives were Apple-branded, but were industrial surplus, purchased from Fry's Electronics at a steep discount, and without the Apple warranty, but with the remaining manufacturer warranty. Four-twelfths (33 percent) may not be "the better part of a decade", but it is surely "a significant part of a decade". 160 GB drives were then Fry's smallest offering for drives sold as brand-new retail-packaged items, with full manufacturer warranty. The disk drive business is perhaps the most competitive business of all, with models being revised perhaps every eight weeks. It is completely cut-throat, and when one distributor lowered its price of Seagate 1 TB SATA drives down to $129, another distributor lowered the price of Hitachi/IBM 1 TB SATA drives down to $109 after mail-in rebate ($139 retail price before rebate) with a maximum number of such drives per person per household to four. Naturally, I had just bought two at the $129 price. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > >> Bruce >> >> So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary >> and the >> optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. >> >> > > Yes. > > > > > Just a consideration to add. When installing apps in OS X most apps want to install on the boot drive. You might want a larger drive as boot. The 20 gig will fill up fast. (With OS 9 I could put apps on any drive and use a alias on desktop or the launcher. ) Charles --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Fri, October 10, 2008 7:16 pm, PeterH wrote: > > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > >> So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting >> 120GB and >> 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. > > Hmmm ... I read it as 160 GB, not 120 GB. > > 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a decade. My 2003 G4 FW800 came with one. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no > avail. > > All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door > suffer from > the 128GB hard drive limit ... No, this limit was absolutely and finally removed with the Quicksilver 2002, not the MDD (although it was indeed removed in the MDD). But, this limit could be conditionally and temporarily/semi- permanently removed with all G4s. The "LBA48 property" is in all G4s that I own, but I only own AGP video G4s, not the earlier PCI video G4s. These properties ... one for the HD bus and another for the optical bus ... are there for large drive support, but these are not enabled, unless and until you do something to enable them, which takes a script in your TERMINAL window to effect. Search for 'LBA48' and I'm sure you'll find the scripts and their installation instructions. > ... but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics > have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. > The limit applies on a per-device basis. HOWEVER, the property applies on a bus basis. IOW, if you enable the LBA48 property on the HD bus, then any and all devices attached to the HD bus will have the LBA48 property, but the optical bus won't. You have to enable the optical bus separately. > I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable > (primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip > drive > (secondary slave). > > I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB > on the > same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD > drive > (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave). > > This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. > Would this > work? Sure. If you want to try applying the so-called LBA48 property enablement method, this will add the large drive property to your boot ROM, wherein this property is stored in your Mac's NVRAM. It will remain there, and enabled, until you cause the NVRAM to be reset. Another method is the Intech High-Cap kext, which applies only after booting. As the High-Cap kext appears not to work with 10.5, I have elected to apply the LBA48 property to my Digital Audio G4 (dual 1.0 GHz), and I use this property with complete transparency across 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. In every case, I am using the highest level of each OS, and with all applicable updates. N.B. The High-Cap applies to all buses collectively, not just one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Anyway. I have 3 hard drives. A 20GB (my boot drive) and a 120GB > proposing > to go on the primary IDE. I then have a DVD drive and 20GB > proposing to go > on the secondary IDE. > > This is where the 160GB comes from. Will this configuration work? OK ... you have 160 TOATAL GB mounted, but these 160 GB are still on three separate drives: 20 GB, 120 GB and 20 GB. A drive is a drive is a drive. Drives are NOT treated collectively, they are treated separately. And, then on EACH drive, the partitions are treated individually. As long as each drive is 131,072 GB or less, then it will be treated as a pre-LBA48 drive. For, after 131,072 GB, the LBA48 property must be enabled, OR disk utility will treat the drive as precisely 131,072 GB (128 GB in "new money"). Under your scenario, if you installed a 750 GB drive, you could still use it, up to the 128 GB limit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Peter Well I subscribe to the lower end of Macs. The AGP G4 was introduced nearly 10 years ago. Anyway. I have 3 hard drives. A 20GB (my boot drive) and a 120GB proposing to go on the primary IDE. I then have a DVD drive and 20GB proposing to go on the secondary IDE. This is where the 160GB comes from. Will this configuration work? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 11 2008, PeterH wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting > 120GB and > 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. Hmmm ... I read it as 160 GB, not 120 GB. 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a decade. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting > 120GB and > 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. Hmmm ... I read it as 160 GB, not 120 GB. 120 GB drives haven't been manufactured for the better part of a decade. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Peter I was ready to go with it until you confused me. (Sorry it's late) So none of my drives are larger than 128GB. I would be putting 120GB and 20GB on the main IDE, so will this be fine. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, PeterH wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no > avail. > > All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door > suffer from > the 128GB hard drive limit ... No, this limit was absolutely and finally removed with the Quicksilver 2002, not the MDD (although it was indeed removed in the MDD). But, this limit could be conditionally and temporarily/semi- permanently removed with all G4s. The "LBA48 property" is in all G4s that I own, but I only own AGP video G4s, not the earlier PCI video G4s. These properties ... one for the HD bus and another for the optical bus ... are there for large drive support, but these are not enabled, unless and until you do something to enable them, which takes a script in your TERMINAL window to effect. Search for 'LBA48' and I'm sure you'll find the scripts and their installation instructions. > ... but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics > have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. > The limit applies on a per-device basis. HOWEVER, the property applies on a bus basis. IOW, if you enable the LBA48 property on the HD bus, then any and all devices attached to the HD bus will have the LBA48 property, but the optical bus won't. You have to enable the optical bus separately. > I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable > (primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip > drive > (secondary slave). > > I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB > on the > same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD > drive > (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave). > > This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. > Would this > work? Sure. If you want to try applying the so-called LBA48 property enablement method, this will add the large drive property to your boot ROM, wherein this property is stored in your Mac's NVRAM. It will remain there, and enabled, until you cause the NVRAM to be reset. Another method is the Intech High-Cap kext, which applies only after booting. As the High-Cap kext appears not to work with 10.5, I have elected to apply the LBA48 property to my Digital Audio G4 (dual 1.0 GHz), and I use this property with complete transparency across 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. In every case, I am using the highest level of each OS, and with all applicable updates. N.B. The High-Cap applies to all buses collectively, not just one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Bruce I have had this drive sitting in a firewire case. I have never moved it to another Mac and if I need to access it from my laptop I usually just connect over the network. With this in mind it would probably be better to put internally so it is always there on my desktop and faster speed when network connecting. Plus one less thing to power. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi > > What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire > case? It depends. Internal it's always there, and is probably faster throughput. Cheaper to install, too. External, you can always move it to another computer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi > > What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire > case? It depends. Internal it's always there, and is probably faster throughput. Cheaper to install, too. External, you can always move it to another computer. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Bruce > > So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary > and the > optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. > Yes. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Hi What's the best way to use this drive? Internally or via a firewire case? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Bruce > > So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary > and the > optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. > Yes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
Bruce So it would be wiser to put the two 7200RPM drives on the primary and the optical drive and third slower hard drive on the secondary. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Oct 10 2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door > suffer from > the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP > Graphics > have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. it is per physical drive, so you can have 256 GB on the bus if you wanted (2x128GB drives). Also, this only applies to the faster of the two internal ATA busses. The ATA bus the optical drive is on is not subject to that limitation, but it's slower. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door > suffer from > the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP > Graphics > have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. it is per physical drive, so you can have 256 GB on the bus if you wanted (2x128GB drives). Also, this only applies to the faster of the two internal ATA busses. The ATA bus the optical drive is on is not subject to that limitation, but it's slower. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 128GB Limit Question
On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi > > I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no > avail. > > All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door > suffer from > the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP > Graphics > have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. It is per drive. I have 2 120GBs on my DA's main channel with no problem. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
128GB Limit Question
Hi I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no avail. All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door suffer from the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB. I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable (primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip drive (secondary slave). I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB on the same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD drive (secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave). This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. Would this work? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
