Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-21 Thread Ben Cheever
I agree that flash player should be up to date.  Unfortunately plenty of gamed 
my kids play online require it.  It's a double edged sword.  Its really sad 
that apple decided to stop maintaining the PowerPC platform.  The Open-source 
community and BSD communities are proof its not impossible to port things over 
to this platform still...

If only chrome worked on PPC platforms because it keeps its own version of 
flash player up to date with its browser.

On Jul 18, 2015 12:35 PM, coverturtle covertur...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.
 I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
 is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
 and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
 support HTML I wonder?
 TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
 processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

 Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
 machines.




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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-21 Thread Bruce Johnson

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ben Cheever benchee...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree that flash player should be up to date.  Unfortunately plenty of 
 gamed my kids play online require it.  It's a double edged sword.  Its really 
 sad that apple decided to stop maintaining the PowerPC platform.  The 
 Open-source community and BSD communities are proof its not impossible to 
 port things over to this platform still…

Flash Player has nothing to do with Apple supporting or not supporting the PPC 
platform, as it’s an Adobe product.  

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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-21 Thread Mira Kehoe
I received this response regarding my processor chip:

According to your serial number, your machine was manufactured with
1.25GHz G4 (PowerPC *7455*)

Customer Support
Powerbookmedic.com
866-726-3342

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Mira Kehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks.  I checked out this link:

 https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/WhichVersion

 Mira

 On Saturday, July 18, 2015, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:


 I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a
 daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer
 upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

 I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
 [ * ] .

 There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
 invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
 plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

 [ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
 drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
 drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
 (shunt), as from a 2.5 hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread James I Fraser
Hi,   you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a 
decade or more.


Cheers,

James




I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a 
daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer 
upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that 
may interface better with the internet, or do I need to consider 
this computer near the end of it's life (in terms of the internet)? 
I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, and an ipad), but I am 
reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!


Any ideas?

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Mira Kehoe
Thanks, James.  I'll check it out...

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:24 AM, James I Fraser jifra...@southcom.com.au
wrote:

  Hi,   you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a
 decade or more.

 Cheers,

 James




 I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
 basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari,
 Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with
 the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
 life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
 and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!


 Any ideas?

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread peterhaas

I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a
daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer
upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
[ * ] .

There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

[ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
(shunt), as from a 2.5 hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
second hard drive.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread peterhaas

 Thanks, everyone.  What is the most effective way to remove flash from the
 computer?

Use your browser and point its search key to remove adobe flash.

That should get you to ...

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-windows.html

... or a similar adobe.com link from which you can download the
uninstaller which is appropriate for your specific installation.



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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread 'Glen' via G-Group


From: peterh...@cruzio.com peterh...@cruzio.com
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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?



 I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
 is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
 and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
 support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.



My reply:

There is at least one other version of TenFourFox for G5 processors. When I 
switched from a G4 to a G5 the 7450 version was installed on the cloned HDD and 
it worked just fine. Later I upgraded to the G5 version. And I do not miss 
FLASH. --glen


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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Mira Kehoe
Thanks, everyone.  What is the most effective way to remove flash from the
computer?

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 2:13 PM, coverturtle covertur...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
 Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.

 I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
 is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
 and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
 support HTML I wonder?

 TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
 processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

 Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
 machines.




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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Ben Cheever
I found a tip before on using SeaMonkey.  They still make PPC builds and it 
works pretty good for me.

On Jul 18, 2015 7:33 AM, Mira Kehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, James.  I'll check it out...

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:24 AM, James I Fraser jifra...@southcom.com.au
wrote:

  Hi,   you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a
 decade or more.

 Cheers,

 James




 I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
 basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari,
 Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with
 the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
 life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
 and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!


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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Ben Cheever
I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that is 
the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox and a 
few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these support HTML I 
wonder?

On Jul 18, 2015 10:01 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a
daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer
upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
[ * ] .

There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

[ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Sky King
On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 10:38:05 AM UTC-5, mkehoe wrote:

 I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily 
 basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari, 
 Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with 
 the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's 
 life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, 
 and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!  

 Any ideas?


I have the same machine and OS and have been using TenFourFox and like it. 
It is much faster than Safari. The only drawback, as others have pointed 
out, is that Flash videos are not supported. However, there is a TenFourFox 
add-on that allows you to download Flash videos and play them in 
QuickTime. TenFourFox *does* support html5 video.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread peterhaas

 I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
 is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
 and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
 support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.



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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread coverturtle

On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.

I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.





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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-18 Thread Mira Kehoe
Thanks.  I checked out this link:

https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/WhichVersion

Mira

On Saturday, July 18, 2015, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:


 I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a
 daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer
 upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

 I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
 [ * ] .

 There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
 invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
 plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

 [ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
 drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
 drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
 (shunt), as from a 2.5 hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
 second hard drive.

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Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-17 Thread mkehoe
I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily 
basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari, 
Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with 
the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's 
life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, 
and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!  

Any ideas?

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-17 Thread Mira Kehoe
Ken -

Thanks for the advice.  That looks like what I need!

Mira

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ken Daggett kadagg...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 17 Jul 2015, at 08:38:05 AM PDT, mkehoe wrote:

  I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
 basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer upgrade Safari,
 Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that may interface better with
 the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
 life (in terms of the internet)?  I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
 and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!

 --
 I rather like this one. A mod of firefox for older Mac OS.

 Ken

 http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

2015-07-17 Thread Ken Daggett


On 17 Jul 2015, at 08:38:05 AM PDT, mkehoe wrote:

I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual  using OS 10.5.8 on a  
daily basis for some work using the internet.  I can no longer  
upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.  Is there another browser that  
may interface better with the internet, or do I need to consider  
this computer near the end of it's life (in terms of the internet)?   
I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, and an ipad), but I am  
reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!

--
I rather like this one. A mod of firefox for older Mac OS.

Ken

http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

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