Re: Change of Computer Name
On Feb 20, 2009, at 5:31 PM, insightinmind wrote: The difference between a cold boot and restart is that power is interrupted in a cold boot, whereas it is not in a restart. So ... If things haven't been closed properly ... they may not open properly next time sort of thing? Well it means that something in the hardware itself is not resetting, and this is causing a problem with the drivers in 10.5 that it isn't in 10.4. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Change of Computer Name
Relative to my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... but on any Mac running OS X Tiger and Leopard ... Is it possible that changing the Computer name in System Preferences Sharing could cause problems elsewhere? Perhaps a problem locating/re-initializing/loading previously made files / links / preference files etc with Ownership / Permissions somehow connected to the earlier name? Maybe the OS X software is setup to handle their own ... but 3rd party folks might not be saavy of? Under Tiger 10.4.11? Under Leopard 10.5.6? (Bad Behavior: On Cold Startup, a certain kext file doesn't get loaded, but with a Restart, it does). Thanks Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Change of Computer Name
On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:37 AM, insightinmind wrote: Relative to my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... but on any Mac running OS X Tiger and Leopard ... Is it possible that changing the Computer name in System Preferences Sharing could cause problems elsewhere? Perhaps a problem locating/re-initializing/loading previously made files / links / preference files etc with Ownership / Permissions somehow connected to the earlier name? No. Under Leopard 10.5.6? (Bad Behavior: On Cold Startup, a certain kext file doesn't get loaded, but with a Restart, it does). Is this a system kext? (ie stored in /System/Library/Extensions)? If go into /System/Library and delete Extensions.mkext, and reboot. This forces OS X to reindex, for lack of a better term, all the kext files it loads. This wil recreate the Extensions.mkext file. To find out what's going on you can see everything that's done once the filesystem is up and writeable during boot is written to either the console or system log. I've not rebooted since my logs were rotated, but if you reboot you can find this information in the logs. copy the portions from startup (there's a reference to a copyright owned by the California Board of Regents, to help you find it, the actual beginning of the boot time is a second or so before that) This is the beginning portion of my log from my last reboot, we'll need to see everything from this part to the end of the log for a reboot on your system: Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost kernel[0]: npvhash=4095 Feb 12 15:12:23 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Dubious permissions on file (skipping): /Library/LaunchDaemons/ com.tenablesecurity.nessusd.plist Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/ dashboardadvisoryd.plist Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.blued): Unknown key for boolean: EnableTransactions Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.apache.httpd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.ntp.ntpd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Feb 12 15:12:26 localhost DirectoryService[11]: Launched version 5.6 (v514.24) Feb 12 15:12:27 localhost kernel[0]: hi mem tramps at 0xffe0 Feb 12 15:12:27 localhost kernel[0]: PAE enabled Feb 12 15:12:27 localhost kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 9.6.0: Mon Nov 24 17:37:00 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.9.59~1/RELEASE_I386 Feb 12 15:12:27 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 1 us Feb 12 15:12:27 localhost kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 512445 free pages and 11843 wired pages Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 79 Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: 96 prelinked modules Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorApicId=0 LocalApicId=0 Enabled Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorApicId=1 LocalApicId=1 Enabled Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for TMSafetyNet Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet) Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.seatbelt Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for mb Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Seatbelt MACF policy initialized Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt Policy (mb) Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-176.3 (Sep 30 2008 16:59:38)[16]: starting Feb 12 15:12:27 DBDEV2 kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Change of Computer Name
Apologies for sending the reduced log to all ... I'm not sure what the netiquette is here, but I wanted to move ahead. On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:37 AM, insightinmind wrote: Relative to my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... but on any Mac running OS X Tiger and Leopard ... Is it possible that changing the Computer name in System Preferences Sharing could cause problems elsewhere? Perhaps a problem locating/re-initializing/loading previously made files / links / preference files etc with Ownership / Permissions somehow connected to the earlier name? No. Under Leopard 10.5.6? (Bad Behavior: On Cold Startup, a certain kext file doesn't get loaded, but with a Restart, it does). Is this a system kext? (ie stored in /System/Library/Extensions)? If go into /System/Library and delete Extensions.mkext, and reboot. No ... the extension that fails to load one time, but succeeds the next, is one or the other from the M-Audio Delta Helper folder of Startup extensions: /Library/StartupItems/M-Audio PCI Audio Helper/MAudioDeltaFamily.kext /Library/StartupItems/M-Audio PCI Audio Helper/MAudioDeltaHT.kext For a system kext Suspect, It might be related to the IONetworkingFamily.kext Contents Plugins AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext, since I am trying to use a Rosewill NIC that has the 8196 chipset with Apple supplied 10.5 drivers (AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext Version: 1.0.3). Rosewill has drivers supplied for 8, 9, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 (for 10.4 ... its installed as AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext Version: rtl8169 version 1.1.1) ... they currently say they are testing under 10.5. Perhaps this is the root of all my problems - and I should just stop here? Alone, it appeared to be functioning, with the exception of a first startup under 10.5.4. But with M-Audio added, things get back to kps and Blue Screens. It all appears to be working with the Rosewill drivers and M-Audio 2496 drivers under 10.4.11. To find out what's going on you can see everything that's done once the filesystem is up and writeable during boot is written to either the console or system log. I've not rebooted since my logs were rotated, but if you reboot you can find this information in the logs. copy the portions from startup (there's a reference to a copyright owned by the California Board of Regents, to help you find it, the actual beginning of the boot time is a second or so before that) Here is a typical slice of my log under 10.5.4, that shows Startup Items having failed to load (or start), then on a next startup, they do load: 652263 Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 com.apple.loginwindow[139]: Shutdown NOW! Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-171.4 (Apr 20 2008 12:00:04)[16]: stopping Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 SystemStarter[25]: The following StartupItems failed to properly start: Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 SystemStarter[25]: / Library/StartupItems/M-Audio PCI Audio Helper Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 SystemStarter[25]: - SystemStarter internal error Feb 20 11:15:00 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 com.apple.loginwindow[139]: System shutdown time has arrived^G^G Feb 20 11:46:45 localhost com.apple.launchctl.System[2]: launchctl: Please convert the following to launchd: /etc/mach_init.d/ dashboardadvisoryd.plist Feb 20 11:46:45 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (org.cups.cupsd): Unknown key: SHAuthorizationRight Feb 20 11:46:46 localhost kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun 9 19:36:17 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_PPC Feb 20 11:46:46 localhost DirectoryService[11]: Launched version 5.4 (v514.21) Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 1 us Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 124724 free pages and 6348 wired pages Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 79 Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: 77 prelinked modules Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for TMSafetyNet Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet) Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Loading security extension com.apple.security.seatbelt Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for mb Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Seatbelt MACF policy initialized Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt Policy (mb) Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Feb 20 11:46:47 localhost kernel[0]:
Re: Change of Computer Name
On Feb 20, 2009, at 11:48 AM, insightinmind wrote: Apologies for sending the reduced log to all ... I'm not sure what the netiquette is here, but I wanted to move ahead. No this is good. No ... the extension that fails to load one time, but succeeds the next, is one or the other from the M-Audio Delta Helper folder of Startup extensions: /Library/StartupItems/M-Audio PCI Audio Helper/MAudioDeltaFamily.kext /Library/StartupItems/M-Audio PCI Audio Helper/MAudioDeltaHT.kext For a system kext Suspect, It might be related to the IONetworkingFamily.kext Contents Plugins AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext, since I am trying to use a Rosewill NIC that has the 8196 chipset with Apple supplied 10.5 drivers (AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext Version: 1.0.3). Rosewill has drivers supplied for 8, 9, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 (for 10.4 ... its installed as AppleRTL8169Ethernet.kext Version: rtl8169 version 1.1.1) ... they currently say they are testing under 10.5. If the 8169 card works with Apple's drivers, then there isn't going to be interference between the ethernet and audio cards. Perhaps this is the root of all my problems - and I should just stop here? Alone, it appeared to be functioning, with the exception of a first startup under 10.5.4. But with M-Audio added, things get back to kps and Blue Screens. It all appears to be working with the Rosewill drivers and M-Audio 2496 drivers under 10.4.11. To find out what's going on you can see everything that's done once the filesystem is up and writeable during boot is written to either the console or system log. I've not rebooted since my logs were rotated, but if you reboot you can find this information in the logs. copy the portions from startup (there's a reference to a copyright owned by the California Board of Regents, to help you find it, the actual beginning of the boot time is a second or so before that) Here is a typical slice of my log under 10.5.4, that shows Startup Items having failed to load (or start), then on a next startup, they do load: Everything looks good until here: [82:10b] Closing device:0x1f37 handle:0x2107 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 Dock[111]: _DESCRegisterDockExtraClient failed 268435459 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 /System/Library/ CoreServices/coreservicesd[65]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 /System/Library/ CoreServices/coreservicesd[65]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Alternative Administrator Account's Public Folder) returned -14135 But again, these may be unrelated to your issues. But this is the info to take to M-audio for support. Well, given that without the Audio card installed you have success, or with 10.4.11 you have success, Im leaning towards the M-Audio drivers having a bug in them under 10.5, and/or the card itself having a subtle failure. (basically something's broke in the card, or there's some subtle firmware issue, leading to the driver breaking under 10.5..is there a firmware update for the card?) The difference between a cold boot and restart is that power is interrupted in a cold boot, whereas it is not in a restart. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Change of Computer Name
On Feb 20, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Here is a typical slice of my log under 10.5.4, that shows Startup Items having failed to load (or start), then on a next startup, they do load: Everything looks good until here: [82:10b] Closing device:0x1f37 handle:0x2107 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 Dock[111]: _DESCRegisterDockExtraClient failed 268435459 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 /System/Library/ CoreServices/coreservicesd[65]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Moonstone Art Studio's Public Folder) returned -14135 Feb 20 11:47:07 Moonstone-Art-Studios-PowerMac-G4 /System/Library/ CoreServices/coreservicesd[65]: SFLSharePointsEntry::CreateDSRecord: dsCreateRecordAndOpen(Alternative Administrator Account's Public Folder) returned -14135 But again, these may be unrelated to your issues. But this is the info to take to M-audio for support. Well, given that without the Audio card installed you have success, or with 10.4.11 you have success, Im leaning towards the M-Audio drivers having a bug in them under 10.5, and/or the card itself having a subtle failure. (basically something's broke in the card, or there's some subtle firmware issue, leading to the driver breaking under 10.5..is there a firmware update for the card?) The difference between a cold boot and restart is that power is interrupted in a cold boot, whereas it is not in a restart. So ... If things haven't been closed properly ... they may not open properly next time sort of thing? The M-Audio Forum administrator has forwarded your comments along to the Tech Staff folks ... let's see if they come up with a solution ... THANKS (apologies for yelling ...) Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Change of Computer Name
So ... If things haven't been closed properly ... they may not open properly next time sort of thing? The M-Audio Forum administrator has forwarded your comments along to the Tech Staff folks ... let's see if they come up with a solution ... Bill, I know this isn't going to help you much, but I've had no end of trouble with M-Audio's drivers. The driver for my M-Audio Revolution 7.1 would frequently garble audio output, and occasionally even cause kernel panics under Tiger and Leopard. I got tired of putting up with the kernel panics, moved the Revolution to a PC (where it is still living happily) and put an Echo Indigo in my G5. Though the thing was a pain to get working, once I had it installed I had no more problems. The quality is about equal to the Delta (I have a 410 in my PC), but it only has analog stereo in and out. Good luck, and let us know if there's a fix for KPs with M-Audio drivers. Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Change of Computer Name
On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Eric Volker wrote: Good luck, and let us know if there's a fix for KPs with M-Audio drivers. Eric Thanks for sharing ... especially the reference to Echo (miaMIDI looks like an alternative to the M-Audio 2496): http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/MiaMIDI/specs.php Do you have your issues documented somewhere? like Apple Discussions or other Forum? I'd like to link M-Audio to as many failures, so to speak, as there are to be found. It will show up on the pages: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 At present, I seem to have their Techies' attention ... hopefully it will span enough time to find a solution ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
