Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Gottick International i...@gottick.com wrote: The old one had a jumper. ;-) And I put it in the same spot on the new drive. Not sure if there ever was a resolution to this or not and I'm curious. As was previously pointed out, just copying the jumper settings from an old drive to a new one is not a good way to go. Did you try removing the jumper and seeing what happens with this drive? Have you tried attaching it as an external drive via USB or firewire? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 2, 2:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I've never liked Western Digital's stuff, I had a round of lemons from them back in the 90s. Every drive manufacturer sells a round of lemons at some point. Maxtor made some 120 MB (that's MB, not GB) drives that failed just out of their one year warranty fifteen years ago. We had forty of them at my office at the time. IBM had the Death stars (Deskstar). Seagates 1.5 TB drives may qualify, and check out the feedback on their low-end 2 GB drive at Newegg. Of course, one doesn't know if those hundreds of failures are out of 2000 or 200,000 sold I'm sure Hitachi has had a lemon at some point, but I've only ever had one or two of their drives, so I missed it. I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On 2010/11/03 09:17, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. The last time I looked, Seagate's five year warranty was history and they were only offering three year warranties. This was on consumer level drives, perhaps their enterprise drives are different. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
What ill save data is backing data on an external (or internal second HD) at least once a month. Using CCC is a cinch to do that and usual takes a very short time. Mel --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 10:29 AM On 2010/11/03 09:17, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. The last time I looked, Seagate's five year warranty was history and they were only offering three year warranties. This was on consumer level drives, perhaps their enterprise drives are different. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
OK - this drive has jumpers. As had the old one. In a iMac G5. What about jumper settings? On SATA drives the jumpers generally aren't used. The old one had a jumper. ;-) And I put it in the same spot on the new drive. Can anyone give me a definitive on this? Does using a jumper in the wrong slot shut down the whole drive? Cable looks fine. Conects well. Can one test it in one way or another? I've wondered about this, you keep saying cable when there are two cables plural for any SATA HD, one is the data cable, the other is the power cable. Is it possible you're not connecting BOTH cables? There are two cables. Fits next to each other. Both have small pegs and look the same, though one is wider than the other. Tried it. Found the small button on the keyboard. No luck. I don't think you reset the SMU using a small button on the keyboard? I did. Funky stuff flashed past on the screen. That was it. Shoud I remove the above mentioned jumpers and try again? A -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Perhaps you can give us the make and model number of the drive in question, we can pull the specifications. :) -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro, Tennessee USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Gottick International wrote: On SATA drives the jumpers generally aren't used. The old one had a jumper. ;-) And I put it in the same spot on the new drive. Can anyone give me a definitive on this? Does using a jumper in the wrong slot shut down the whole drive? This is likely the problem. Generally speaking SATA HDs do NOT use jumpers, and further, the jumper locations between different HD makes models are often very different, so the idea of moving a jumper from an old drive to a new drive may seem like a good idea, in reality it's likely the cause of your problem here. As Alex said, EXACT model(s) of the HD(s) would be nice. In the future, the initial posting should include ALL the exact hardware involved, which would include the exact Mac model w/ RAM, HD, OS version, etc, and the replacement HD make model. Tried it. Found the small button on the keyboard. No luck. I don't think you reset the SMU using a small button on the keyboard? I did. Funky stuff flashed past on the screen. That was it. Shoud I remove the above mentioned jumpers and try again? I don't think you understood what I was saying. I meant pushing a small button on the keyboard does NOT reset your SMU, and whatever you did, it wasn't reseting the SMU. Instead, use the instructions I provided in the link to reset the SMU. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
Gottick International wrote: OK - this drive has jumpers. As had the old one. In a iMac G5. What about jumper settings? On SATA drives the jumpers generally aren't used. The old one had a jumper. ;-) And I put it in the same spot on the new drive. Can anyone give me a definitive on this? Does using a jumper in the wrong slot shut down the whole drive? No. The jumper on a SATA drive restricts it to 1.5Gbs (SATA 1) speed. It won't have any other effect. Cable looks fine. Conects well. Can one test it in one way or another? I've wondered about this, you keep saying cable when there are two cables plural for any SATA HD, one is the data cable, the other is the power cable. Is it possible you're not connecting BOTH cables? There are two cables. Fits next to each other. Both have small pegs and look the same, though one is wider than the other. Tried it. Found the small button on the keyboard. No luck. I don't think you reset the SMU using a small button on the keyboard? I did. Funky stuff flashed past on the screen. That was it. Shoud I remove the above mentioned jumpers and try again? A I have no idea what you did: SMU resets are not performed when the computer is powered up, so there should be nothing on the screen - funky or otherwise Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Perhaps you can give us the make and model number of the drive in question, we can pull the specifications. :) Sorry. WD Caviar WD5000AADS - 500GB -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Looks like there shouldn't be any jumpers on it, the jumpers force a lower transfer speed. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1679p_created=p_pv=2.294p_prods=227%2C294 I've never liked Western Digital's stuff, I had a round of lemons from them back in the 90s. Not sure what to tell you. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 13:43, Gottick International i...@gottick.com wrote: Perhaps you can give us the make and model number of the drive in question, we can pull the specifications. :) Sorry. WD Caviar WD5000AADS - 500GB -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro, Tennessee USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On 2010/11/02 11:55, Ted Treen so eloquently wrote: The jumper on a SATA drive restricts it to 1.5Gbs (SATA 1) speed. It won't have any other effect. What would be the purpose of even doing this? I have 3GBs drives in my P M and it only supports 1.5GBs, so the end result is they do not exceed 1.5GBs. How is using a jumper to limit speed any better than letting the system dictate speed? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Older controller chipsets had problems when it initially moved to SATA gen II, so some drives had the ability to force negotiation at 1.5Gbps. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 15:46, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/02 11:55, Ted Treen so eloquently wrote: The jumper on a SATA drive restricts it to 1.5Gbs (SATA 1) speed. It won't have any other effect. What would be the purpose of even doing this? I have 3GBs drives in my P M and it only supports 1.5GBs, so the end result is they do not exceed 1.5GBs. How is using a jumper to limit speed any better than letting the system dictate speed? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro, Tennessee USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
OK - this drive has jumpers. As had the old one. In a iMac G5. What about jumper settings? OK. That solves that probem. ;-) Any other idea? Can the drive be too big for the machine to handle? Probably not. How about the cable ... is that new? a good one? Connected well at both ends ... didn't come loose when the machine was shut? Cable looks fine. Conects well. Can one test it in one way or another? I would also check to see if the iMac G5 has a SMU you can reset?? Tried it. Found the small button on the keyboard. No luck. only one of the pins had snapped where the connector sitts on the main board but that was enough to stop the drive being seen at all. The pins on the drive looks as the pins on the old drive. OK. I say, 1) The old drive didn't really have issues. Rather the problem is someplace else such as a bad SATA cable or a poorly seated connector. Or maybe even something is wrong on the G5's mainboard. Have you tried any type of diagnostic program? What kind of diagnostics cen be used to figure out if the mainboard is toast? Try hooking it up to another computer or hook it up through an external case. I have an old, unbreakable, Quicksilver nearby. Can I try out a 500 gig serial ATA disc on that old warhorse? Thnks for all your advice. A -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Gottick International wrote: OK - this drive has jumpers. As had the old one. In a iMac G5. What about jumper settings? On SATA drives the jumpers generally aren't used. Cable looks fine. Conects well. Can one test it in one way or another? I've wondered about this, you keep saying cable when there are two cables plural for any SATA HD, one is the data cable, the other is the power cable. Is it possible you're not connecting BOTH cables? Tried it. Found the small button on the keyboard. No luck. I don't think you reset the SMU using a small button on the keyboard? Here are instructions: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1767?viewlocale=en_US I have an old, unbreakable, Quicksilver nearby. Can I try out a 500 gig serial ATA disc on that old warhorse? Only if you have a PCI SATA card installed, which probably isn't the case unless you bought one as an upgrade item. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Gottick International wrote: I have an old, unbreakable, Quicksilver nearby. Can I try out a 500 gig serial ATA disc on that old warhorse? T Not unless you have a PATA to SATA adapter or a SATA PCI card installed. I have a SeriTek/1S2 PCI card in my QS 2002 with a 500GB Seagate SATA and it works great. Adapters are such as these: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-SATA-Serial-ATA-IDE-PATA-Bidirectional-Converter-/180368057190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_1669wt_962 which I have not tried. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
