Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 12, 10:06 am, "t...@io.com" wrote: > In order to find which ROM you have, go to the Apple System Profiler > and check the ROM or Firmware Revision. $77D.40F2 is revision A. If > it shows something like $77D.45F6 then you are probably running OSX > and it has remapped the ROM to a file which contains firmware code. I managed to distract myself from finishing the original thought in that paragraph. Revision B has $77D.45F1 and Revision C has $77D.45F2 in System Profiler. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
I also had andual ATA card in mine which read as a SCSI bus. As you note, I was able to boot a system and not be sub jetc to the 8 gig rule. On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:10 AM, dc wrote: I have a G3 tower which I still occasionally use, I gave it an ATTO express SCSI card and a 15K SCSI 68-pin hard drive -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:06 AM, t...@io.com wrote: > >> Or find one of the serial ATA cards, so you may get an inexpensive modern >> drive. > > Another option is buying a cheap Firewire PCI card and booting from an > external Firewire HD which is relatively fast and cheap. Since you're using OS 9, the FW card will need to have the OS 9 FW drivers installed; if a FW device isn't present at OS install time, it's not installed, unlike OS X. You can do a custom install of just the FW extensions, or re-apply the latest combo update for your version. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:06 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Or find one of the serial ATA cards, so you may get an inexpensive modern drive. Another option is buying a cheap Firewire PCI card and booting from an external Firewire HD which is relatively fast and cheap. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 11, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > However, the Beige G3's already have an ATA drive. IIRC ones > sold as servers came with SCSI drives, but there is an ATA (66 IIRC) > port on the mobo as well. If there's no ATA connector you may > actually have an old 604 powermac not a G3. The Beige G3 has two IDE buses. However, they are 16.67MB/s, not ATA66. So really quite slow by today's standards. At the time of manufacture, it did not matter much as the very best hard drives were still struggling to deliver much over 20 MB/s in actual media speed. And the IDE drives that Apple shipped in those machines were even slower -- maybe 10 MB/s on a good day. Anyway, the built-in IDE buses are adequate for optical drives, and if you don't expect a lot of performance, they're fine for IDE drives up to the large drive limit (128 GB?). No need for an ATA card if you don't mind pedestrian performance. The Beige G3s with the Rev. A ROM only support one device on each IDE bus. Beige G3s with the Rev. B or Rev. C ROMs support the normal two devices per IDE bus. In order to find which ROM you have, go to the Apple System Profiler and check the ROM or Firmware Revision. $77D.40F2 is revision A. If it shows something like $77D.45F6 then you are probably running OSX and it has remapped the ROM to a file which contains firmware code. You may need to boot into Classic to check the revision. You can also tell the ROM revision by looking at the numbers on the ROM chips, but I can't remember the exact numbers at the moment. I think 343S401 and 402 were Rev. A and 343S494 and 495 were Rev. C with Rev. B somewhere in between, but that memory is unreliable. > As for add-on ATA cards, so long as they have Mac ROMS they should work. Note that the Promise cards do not have Mac ROMs. However, back in the day, there was a VST ATA66 card which was identical to the Promise UltraTek-66 card, except for some minor modifications. Many (probably in the hundreds) of the Promise cards were converted by amateurs for use in the Macintosh, so it is conceivable that you could come across an UltraTek 66 modified with Macintosh firmware/ROM code. Unlikely, but possible. However, the UltraTek66 did not provide large drive support either. So all you would gain from that is better performance. If you actually purchase an ATA card, I recommend something like the Acard AEC-6280M which is an ATA133 card, provides large drive support and works in both Classic (down to 7.6.1, but the Beige only goes down into 8.x) and in OSX.Or find one of the serial ATA cards, so you may get an inexpensive modern drive. However, I'm not sure if any of the SATA cards provide Classic support. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 11, 2:23 pm, iainnitro wrote: > I found this group via LEM, naturally. I was looking up specs on my > newly acquired G3 Beige Tower. I am actually writing to find out if I > can replace the SCSI (9 GB) Drive with a nice ATA adapter (and which > one I need) so I can put at least an 80 GB drive into the box. I have a G3 tower which I still occasionally use, I gave it an ATTO express SCSI card and a 15K SCSI 68-pin hard drive. That setup is much faster than any ATA drive and you won't be limited to a small boot partition if you ever want to install Tiger. ATTO cards are available for under $20, 15K SCSI (36 GB) drives can be had for under $40. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:23 AM, iainnitro wrote: > Greetings: > > I found this group via LEM, naturally. I was looking up specs on my > newly acquired G3 Beige Tower. I am actually writing to find out if I > can replace the SCSI (9 GB) Drive with a nice ATA adapter (and which > one I need) so I can put at least an 80 GB drive into the box. The > current setup includes a SCSI adapter (Adaptec) which runs the system > drive and looks to be "Factory installed", it had a sticker on the > external connector that basically was "don't use this". You can ignore this sticker; it does work, but you can have tricksy issues with terminations and id's then. Basically you end up with a termination in the middle of the chain, which works...for some devices. If you add things to this SCSI chain, you'll probably want to unset the TERM (and and maybe the TERM Power) jumper on the optical drive, and manage termination yourself. However, the Beige G3's already have an ATA drive. IIRC ones sold as servers came with SCSI drives, but there is an ATA (66 IIRC) port on the mobo as well. If there's no ATA connector you may actually have an old 604 powermac not a G3. As for add-on ATA cards, so long as they have Mac ROMS they should work. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G3 Beige Tower Questions
Greetings: I found this group via LEM, naturally. I was looking up specs on my newly acquired G3 Beige Tower. I am actually writing to find out if I can replace the SCSI (9 GB) Drive with a nice ATA adapter (and which one I need) so I can put at least an 80 GB drive into the box. The current setup includes a SCSI adapter (Adaptec) which runs the system drive and looks to be "Factory installed", it had a sticker on the external connector that basically was "don't use this". I have put in a Firewire/USB card I had and that works fine. But I am not sure if my ATA 100 or ATA 66 promise card will work in this unit and wanted to know what EIDE controller I would want for this unit. It reports itself as being a 333 mhz G3. I am currently running os 9.1 on her and trying to put her back into service as my main box. I am thinking of running the classic mozilla browser that is available to give me modern Browsing... but I am also in need of some software and hoped I could gain some leads. So the question above is question 1. Q2: Does anyone know of or have an old copy of ACDSee for Mac? I can not seem to find it, or I would accept another picture viewer app, but I think I am leaning towards ACDSee. I am not sure if any software of this vintage was able to support PNG at all though? Mostly JPEG anyhow, but, need a good veiwer. Q3: Need to find a floppy drive bezel for this machine. Saved it from a local recycler and it was missing that bezel, but otherwise looks great and works great. Just as well, seeking all kinds of old software, so if someone has some they would like to part with, let me know. I am hopeful that I can get this machine up and running in great shape and even though it is old, I like classic A-LOT better than OS X, so I guess I am as vintage as they come :-) Thanks in advance for any help. Mike Needham Olathe, KS USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
