Re: HD replacement goof

2014-03-31 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Fred Thiel fth...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  I got many error messages saying 'USBF:  612.769 found a transaction past 
 the completion deadline on bus 25, timing out!'
 After I realized my mistake, I re-configured the boot drive correctly and the 
 machine runs much better now. Disk Utility finds no problems, but AppleJack 
 still returns the error messages not as many as before.
 
 I don't like error messages like that from AppleJack. Does anyone know what 
 is going on?

That is a USB bus error, so it's not surprising that Disk Utility found nothing 
:-) It's kind of like checking the pressure in your tires when the 'Check 
Engine' light is on.

I'd take everything USB off the system except the keyboard, and see if 
Applejack still reports these errors.

If it doesn't, re-add USB devices one at a time, checking in System Profiler to 
see that they're recognized and functional,, until you get an error.

If it does continue to report the errors, try swapping the keyboard, or you may 
have a failing USB bus on the logic board. This is easily remedied, by adding a 
USB PCI card.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs


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HD replacement goof

2014-03-30 Thread Fred Thiel
Greetings all

I had to replace the hard drive on my wife's Quicksilver 733, OSX Tiger 
yesterday. There were two drives in it and the boot drive went down. I replaced 
it with a new WD and removed the secondary while I had it open, however I put 
the jumper on the new one like the old primary, having forgotten it needed to 
be configured differently since there was no slave drive anymore. Needless to 
say, there were problems. When I ran Applejack, I got many error messages 
saying 'USBF:  612.769 found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 
25, timing out!'
After I realized my mistake, I re-configured the boot drive correctly and the 
machine runs much better now. Disk Utility finds no problems, but AppleJack 
still returns the error messages not as many as before.

I don't like error messages like that from AppleJack. Does anyone know what is 
going on?

Thanks
Fred

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Re: HD replacement goof

2014-03-30 Thread peterhaas

 I had to replace the hard drive on my wife's Quicksilver 733, OSX Tiger
 yesterday. There were two drives in it and the boot drive went down. I
 replaced it with a new WD and removed the secondary while I had it open,
 however I put the jumper on the new one like the old primary, having
 forgotten it needed to be configured differently since there was no slave
 drive anymore. Needless to say, there were problems.

This rather large family of machines uses Cable Select cables, as the
patent which Apple licensed from hp/Compaq (for Cable Select and generic
generic PC reset and startup) needs Cable Select mode in order to issue
the required Selective Reset commands to the drives.

You are probably advised to option your drives for CS, and to let the
cable do its magic.

Alternatively, CS can indeed coexist with Master- and Slave-optioned,
provided:

1) in a single drive situation, that drive is optioned for Master, and is
physically the farthest away from the host (the motherboard), OR

2) in a dual drive situation, the drives have different options, one being
Master, the other being Slave, and in this case it doesn't matter which is
Master and which is Slave, as both are really peers, IOW, there is
really no such thing as a true Master and a true Slave.



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