Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
how about fibre glass tape that is used for heat tape. used to keep pipe warm, water, caustic soda, any liquid that is temp. sens. tape is tuff! On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote: Fabian wrote: considered contacting OWC Customer Service/Technical Support about your need? I agree and have found OWC consistently very congenial and responsive, but the agent with whom spoke had no suggestions in this regard. On Aug 30, 11:43 am, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: When the original tape inside my Newer Tech MiniStacks no longer sticks, I've used clear packing tape, blue painter's tape, and even a piece of Scotch tape. The main thing is to keep the thermal sensor in contact with the hard drive but still exposed to the air inside the case. For that reason, I don't put the tape directly over the sensor. Instead, I put it over the sensor wires right behind the sensor. Works great. I'm glad to hear of experience using other tapes, and your suggestion regarding tape location is well taken. I'm going to check all my Newer enclosures as I think my fans run too often and too long. Thanks for all the suggestions and supply leads. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
Fabian wrote: considered contacting OWC Customer Service/Technical Support about your need? I agree and have found OWC consistently very congenial and responsive, but the agent with whom spoke had no suggestions in this regard. On Aug 30, 11:43 am, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: When the original tape inside my Newer Tech MiniStacks no longer sticks, I've used clear packing tape, blue painter's tape, and even a piece of Scotch tape. The main thing is to keep the thermal sensor in contact with the hard drive but still exposed to the air inside the case. For that reason, I don't put the tape directly over the sensor. Instead, I put it over the sensor wires right behind the sensor. Works great. I'm glad to hear of experience using other tapes, and your suggestion regarding tape location is well taken. I'm going to check all my Newer enclosures as I think my fans run too often and too long. Thanks for all the suggestions and supply leads. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Exactly which type of external enclosure are we talking about here? Check out the Newer Tech MiniStack, Yes, that's the enclosure of which I speak. Now that you have identified the enclosure in question, have you considered contacting OWC Customer Service/Technical Support about your need? They are usually quite helpful, may send you some replacement tape, or at least tell you where to get more. Fabian -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:39 AM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Exactly which type of external enclosure are we talking about here? Check out the Newer Tech MiniStack, Yes, that's the enclosure of which I speak. Now that you have identified the enclosure in question, have you considered contacting OWC Customer Service/Technical Support about your need? They are usually quite helpful, may send you some replacement tape, or at least tell you where to get more. When the original tape inside my Newer Tech MiniStacks no longer sticks, I've used clear packing tape, blue painter's tape, and even a piece of Scotch tape. The main thing is to keep the thermal sensor in contact with the hard drive but still exposed to the air inside the case. For that reason, I don't put the tape directly over the sensor. Instead, I put it over the sensor wires right behind the sensor. Works great. -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
HD thermal sensor tape ?
All my external HD (or the enclosures I don't remember) came with a strip of yellow transparent tape for securing the thermal sensor to the HD. It doesn't like reuse. Where can one purchase tape such tape? Or, what alternatives are acceptable? thank you Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: All my external HD (or the enclosures I don't remember) came with a strip of yellow transparent tape for securing the thermal sensor to the HD. It doesn't like reuse. Where can one purchase tape such tape? Or, what alternatives are acceptable? thank you Cliff I buy my KAPTON tape from a company in Ontario CA called Uline. 800 295 5510. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
any online international seller for that? 2010/8/29 John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: All my external HD (or the enclosures I don't remember) came with a strip of yellow transparent tape for securing the thermal sensor to the HD. It doesn't like reuse. Where can one purchase tape such tape? Or, what alternatives are acceptable? thank you Cliff I buy my KAPTON tape from a company in Ontario CA called Uline. 800 295 5510. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Baha Ata wrote: any online international seller for that? 2010/8/29 John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: All my external HD (or the enclosures I don't remember) came with a strip of yellow transparent tape for securing the thermal sensor to the HD. It doesn't like reuse. Where can one purchase tape such tape? Or, what alternatives are acceptable? thank you Cliff I buy my KAPTON tape from a company in Ontario CA called Uline. 800 295 5510. Here is the tape that I buy. http://www.uline.com/Product/AdvSearchResult.aspx?keywords=KAPTON%20TAPE John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from PM G5 2.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: the thermal sensor to the HD. Are you sure? I've never heard of external HD thermal sensors, and I don't know of any software that would make use of such a sensor? I've seen Kapton tape holding down wires for LED activity light wires in external enclosures, but this tape isn't any requirement, it's simply to keep the wires from moving around, and there's little or no danger if the tape isn't replaced. Normal electrical tape can be used in a pinch as a replacement for the ultra-thin Kapton tape. Most thermal sensors I've seen in computers wouldn't be taped, and if they were taped, it would be metallic tape or an adhesive directly upon the sensor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 12:25 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Are you sure? [the thermal sensor to the HD.] I've never heard of external HD thermal sensors, and I don't know of any software that would make use of such a sensor? Once again, my novice status has been flushed out. I'm not sure what the sensor is for. but this tape isn't any requirement, it's simply to keep the wires from moving around, and there's little or no danger if the tape isn't replaced. Once, one my enclosure fans seemed to be over-running and someone suggested that I may have the sensor taped in the wrong place. Correct place, they said, is in the center of the HD, and that seemed to help. So, maybe it's the Enclosure Temp Sensor of which I speak. If electrical tape will work, I'm good with that. Why use Kapton tape to begin with? I wonder. Thanks for all the responses. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Once, one my enclosure fans seemed to be over-running and someone suggested that I may have the sensor taped in the wrong place. Correct place, they said, is in the center of the HD, and that seemed to help. So, maybe it's the Enclosure Temp Sensor of which I speak. Exactly which type of external enclosure are we talking about here? I've had a lot of experience with small external enclosures that hold one or two HDs, and I've never seen one with a variable fan whose speed is controlled via a temperature sensor. It's possible such an enclosure exists, but I've never seen one. I have seen fans in various enclosures that run fast ALL THE TIME, and I've also seen fans that make too much noise. I've replaced noisy fans with quieter ones, and I've removed fans completely from enclosures with adequate passive ventilation for sufficient cooling. Most modern HDs won't produce enough heat to be a problem unless they're in some sort of near failure mode, and by then they're so far gone that a fan probably won't help too much in my opinion. If electrical tape will work, I'm good with that. Why use Kapton tape to begin with? I wonder. The deal with Kapton tape is that it's super-thin and super- lightweight, and you get a lot of length for the price. It's used in the airline and aerospace industry a lot because of the weight savings, but it also has little resistance to abrasion and has been implicated in many frayed wiring problems. Obviously in an airplane or spacecraft where weight is critical Kapton tape is probably the best choice. In computers I think it's pure price per unit length, you need to think of it as heat-resistant packing tape, it's the thinest, cheapest thing that works OK at higher temperatures. Since electrical tape also works at high temperatures it's OK as a replacement, but in an airplane or spacecraft the weight difference would be significant. There are thousands of miles of wiring and tape in an airplane, and each extra gram is a gram stolen from payload capacity. It costs more than the weight in gold to place any mass into outer space, so when you think about taking something into space, you need to think of it as gold in terms of cost per unit mass. Even at this cost, they use duct tape on the space station, which proves that duct tape is worth its weight in gold. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
On Aug 29, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: Once, one my enclosure fans seemed to be over-running and someone suggested that I may have the sensor taped in the wrong place. Correct place, they said, is in the center of the HD, and that seemed to help. So, maybe it's the Enclosure Temp Sensor of which I speak. Exactly which type of external enclosure are we talking about here? I've had a lot of experience with small external enclosures that hold one or two HDs, and I've never seen one with a variable fan whose speed is controlled via a temperature sensor. It's possible such an enclosure exists, but I've never seen one. Check out the Newer Tech MiniStack, of which I've bought a number from OWC. Not only does its temperature sensor affixed to the top center of the enclosed hard drive control the speed and temperature point at which the fan begins spinning, but the MiniStack also turns itself on and off in sync with the Mac to which it's attached. If the temp sensor thinks the hard drive is too warm when the Mac is turned off, the fan continues to run until it's cooled everything down. Then the MiniStack turns off. Pretty smart external hard drive, which is why I've bought a bunch. Looks good with aluminum Macs and fits perfectly when stacked with a Mac Mini, hence the name. -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
Exactly which type of external enclosure are we talking about here? On Aug 29, 1:47 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: Check out the Newer Tech MiniStack, Yes, that's the enclosure of which I speak. Cliff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
