Re: Minitower freezing at startup
On 10/4/09 4:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich of jonasulrich3...@gmail.com sent I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! -Jonas Hi Jonas, Most likely the OS can't recognize the G3 running at 433MHz as a viable Mac machine - I remember the early Sonnet G3-for-x100 PPC upgrade days - you had to install the OS software first, then slap in the CPU upgrade. At least that is my guess for the moment. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Minitower freezing at startup
I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! -Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
-- Original message -- Subject: Minitower freezing at startup Date:Sonntag 04 Oktober 2009N From:Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! -Jonas Did it work before? [YES] It's propably the overclocking that broke it. [NO] Try a different installation method. Best would be to install it on another G3 and transfer the HDD back to your G3. See if it boots then. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
On Oct 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! Overclock could be too high, you might try the normal 400 MHz to begin with. You can't generally overclock the System bus to anything greater than the stock 66 MHz unless your motherboard had the faster Grackle chip, which normally only came on the early 233 MHz motherboards. You might also have a RAM issue, bad RAM or poorly seated RAM can cause freezes. Reseating everything rarely hurts and often helps. 9.2 isn't the best MacOS for the Beige. The Beige's personality cards used some special extensions that only worked up to OS 9.1, so 9.1 was the final version of MacOS that supported the Beige hardware. You can use 9.2.2, but you need to replace several of the extensions with older versions from 9.1 or earlier. As I remember, some that are necessary to replace are (final working versions listed): Sound Control Panel (???) ATI Graphics Accelerator v. 5.2.4 ATI Resource Manager v. 2.7.3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
I turned the extentions off and it booted! I am going to try to find an older 9 installer. I have run 9.2 on several beiges with no problems though... On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! Overclock could be too high, you might try the normal 400 MHz to begin with. You can't generally overclock the System bus to anything greater than the stock 66 MHz unless your motherboard had the faster Grackle chip, which normally only came on the early 233 MHz motherboards. You might also have a RAM issue, bad RAM or poorly seated RAM can cause freezes. Reseating everything rarely hurts and often helps. 9.2 isn't the best MacOS for the Beige. The Beige's personality cards used some special extensions that only worked up to OS 9.1, so 9.1 was the final version of MacOS that supported the Beige hardware. You can use 9.2.2, but you need to replace several of the extensions with older versions from 9.1 or earlier. As I remember, some that are necessary to replace are (final working versions listed): Sound Control Panel (???) ATI Graphics Accelerator v. 5.2.4 ATI Resource Manager v. 2.7.3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
I don't have an old installer of os 9. Is there any way to get this one to work? -Jonas On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.comwrote: I turned the extentions off and it booted! I am going to try to find an older 9 installer. I have run 9.2 on several beiges with no problems though... On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! Overclock could be too high, you might try the normal 400 MHz to begin with. You can't generally overclock the System bus to anything greater than the stock 66 MHz unless your motherboard had the faster Grackle chip, which normally only came on the early 233 MHz motherboards. You might also have a RAM issue, bad RAM or poorly seated RAM can cause freezes. Reseating everything rarely hurts and often helps. 9.2 isn't the best MacOS for the Beige. The Beige's personality cards used some special extensions that only worked up to OS 9.1, so 9.1 was the final version of MacOS that supported the Beige hardware. You can use 9.2.2, but you need to replace several of the extensions with older versions from 9.1 or earlier. As I remember, some that are necessary to replace are (final working versions listed): Sound Control Panel (???) ATI Graphics Accelerator v. 5.2.4 ATI Resource Manager v. 2.7.3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
I found an old installer and it freezes up to. I tried putting the old jumperblock and processor in it and it still won't work. I have tried taking out memory, hd, changing the personality card out. I am out of ideas and am about ready to scrap the whole machine. Any ideas before I run it over with my truck? -Jonas On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have an old installer of os 9. Is there any way to get this one to work? -Jonas On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.comwrote: I turned the extentions off and it booted! I am going to try to find an older 9 installer. I have run 9.2 on several beiges with no problems though... On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just overclocked my beige g3 with 400MHZ processor to a 433MHZ. I am trying to install 9.2 but everytime i put in the disc it gets to the loading screen and completely freezes. Not even the mouse moves. Help please! Overclock could be too high, you might try the normal 400 MHz to begin with. You can't generally overclock the System bus to anything greater than the stock 66 MHz unless your motherboard had the faster Grackle chip, which normally only came on the early 233 MHz motherboards. You might also have a RAM issue, bad RAM or poorly seated RAM can cause freezes. Reseating everything rarely hurts and often helps. 9.2 isn't the best MacOS for the Beige. The Beige's personality cards used some special extensions that only worked up to OS 9.1, so 9.1 was the final version of MacOS that supported the Beige hardware. You can use 9.2.2, but you need to replace several of the extensions with older versions from 9.1 or earlier. As I remember, some that are necessary to replace are (final working versions listed): Sound Control Panel (???) ATI Graphics Accelerator v. 5.2.4 ATI Resource Manager v. 2.7.3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
On Oct 4, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I turned the extentions off and it booted! I am going to try to find an older 9 installer. I have run 9.2 on several beiges with no problems though... Yes, 9.2.2 runs, but if you ever need to import video using a Wings AV card, or import sound using a Whisper card, you'll find that 9.2.2 won't work. Also, I believe the ATI video acceleration with the built- in Rage is not functional (in the extensions parade at the startup you'll see an X across the ATI extension.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
On Oct 4, 4:18 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I turned the extentions off and it booted! I am going to try to find an older 9 installer. I have run 9.2 on several beiges with no problems though... On os 9 it lets you turn off extension until you find the one that causes the freeze on boot up. That would probably give you a pretty good hint as to what part of the process is messing up.. Good Luck!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Minitower freezing at startup
On Oct 4, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Gus wrote: Is there anywhere you can get the proper extensions for the ati video in the old beige g3's for 9.2.2?? Yes. You can download the OS 9.1 update from Apple and use TomeViewer to extract the extensions. ALL OS 9 updates: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1387 OS 9.1: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n75103 TomeViewer: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/4561 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
