Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 9:15 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Changing the subject line does NOT start a new thread. You MUST do a completely separate New Message or else the reply will hijack the previous thread and automatically thread into the prior posting no matter what the subject line says. Yes. This is a problem with how Google wrote the software for Google Groups. They apparently assign their idiot programmers to the project, or people so young and/or ignorant that they have no idea how a news group nor an email list is meant to work. It shouldn't be this way. You should be able to hit reply and just change the subject but poor programming defeats what ought to be. The result, for us the users, is that you really need to start a brand new email, or go to the Google Groups web interface and start a new thread. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:58 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Yes. This is a problem with how Google wrote the software for Google Groups. They apparently assign their idiot programmers to the project, or people so young and/or ignorant that they have no idea how a news group nor an email list is meant to work. It shouldn't be this way. You should be able to hit reply and just change the subject but poor programming defeats what ought to be. Actually, this is part of the IETF email standards, see RFC2822 part 3.6.4, 'References': http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt The References: field will contain the contents of the parent's References: field (if any) followed by the contents of the parent's Message-ID: field (if any). If the parent message does not contain a References: field but does have an In-Reply-To: field containing a single message identifier, then the References: field will contain the contents of the parent's In-Reply-To: field followed by the contents of the parent's Message-ID: field (if any). If the parent has none of the References:, In-Reply-To:, or Message-ID: fields, then the new message will have no References: field. Note: Some implementations parse the References: field to display the thread of the discussion. These implementations assume that each new message is a reply to a single parent and hence that they can walk backwards through the References: field to find the parent of each message listed there. Therefore, trying to form a References: field for a reply that has multiple parents is discouraged and how to do so is not defined in this document. Changing the Subject line and expecting the References fields to be truncated is contrary to the standards. Just learn already how to start a new email and address it to the list. The web interface offers a handy 'New Post' button right up there in the corner. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
Re getting laserwriter to save defaults I seem to remember having a similar issue with one of my HPs (4ml, 4m, 4000 or one of that era). The fix I remember was that you had to hold down either one of both of the Command or Control key when hitting OK when closing the page setup dialog box. Len Thanks. The key combo was ctrl-opt-cmd, which brought up a dialog box asking if I wished to save the settings as the default. I had also switched from generic ppd to the right one downloaded from HP, which may have helped. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/02/13 08:23, Barry Levine so eloquently wrote: I changed the subject line. That always has seemed to start a new thread. There is a number in the headers that determines what thread a message belongs to, what the subject line contains is irrelevant. Not to pick on you in particular but it's happening more and more with each passing month. I recall hearing that certain mail clients disregarded other header fields when the Subject differed, perhaps to appease such practices, with the unfortunate effect of tacitly encouraging them further. The great thing about standards is... you can always ignore them and do it your own way! =-D Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On 2012/02/14 01:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: The great thing about standards is... you can always ignore them and do it your own way! That is an excellent idea Joshua, why didn't I think of that?!?!?! Tell you what, you go ahead and remove all standards from your life then let us know how it goes. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/02/14 01:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: The great thing about standards is... you can always ignore them and do it your own way! That is an excellent idea Joshua, why didn't I think of that?!?!?! Tell you what, you go ahead and remove all standards from your life then let us know how it goes. So far, lacking a standard for indicating sarcasm is going poorly. :-( Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:08 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: Not to pick on you in particular but it's happening more and more with each passing month. I recall hearing that certain mail clients disregarded other header fields when the Subject differed, perhaps to appease such practices, with the unfortunate effect of tacitly encouraging them further. ALL email clients will happily sort by subject line; only clients with the view sorting by threads have this problem. (and the execrable Google Groups web interface) For me all mail in in this mail folder are sorted by subject, then date...I never notice that a thread is 'hijacked' until someone complains... -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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ALL email clients will happily sort by subject line; only clients with the view sorting by threads have this problem. (and the execrable Google Groups web interface) Be liberal in what you accept, and strict in what you produce. The key is the In-Reply-To field (I left it intact on this message). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Political correctness is tyranny with manners. -- Charlton Heston -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Barry Levine wrote: Is there any way to increase the number of items that can be displayed in apple menu submenus? I'm not sure what the limit is, but I see that folders with a large number of items won't display them in a submenu. Please don't Reply to send an unrelated message -- it hijacks the thread. Also, consider posting your questions to the macos9 mailing list instead. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On 2012/02/13 02:48, Josh Juran so eloquently wrote: Please don't Reply to send an unrelated message -- it hijacks the thread. Also, consider posting your questions to the macos9 mailing list instead. Word. I've gotten to the point that I delete hijacked threads because when I collapse the conversations I can't tell what is where. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Barry Levine wrote: Another thing that's been going on: On some apps, I'll open docs using the Open dialog box. And the mac will chew on this for over a minute before displaying the list of files. When this first happened, I thought I had a freeze. Perhaps rebuilding the Desktop Database will help. Lastly, I also have a hardware/software question that maybe someone will know. Re the default Page Setup for a laserjet 2100M - it's ALWAYS US Letter Small, and defaults back to that after a session is over. I have not been able to google up a way to make US Letter the default, and stay that way. I believe that US Letter is the factory default, so setting the 2100 back to factory default (check the manual) should fix that. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Barry Levine wrote: Lastly, I also have a hardware/software question that maybe someone will know. Re the default Page Setup for a laserjet 2100M - it's ALWAYS US Letter Small, and defaults back to that after a session is over. I have not been able to google up a way to make US Letter the default, and stay that way. I believe that US Letter is the factory default, so setting the 2100 back to factory default (check the manual) should fix that. I seem to remember having a similar issue with one of my HPs (4ml, 4m, 4000 or one of that era). The fix I remember was that you had to hold down either one of both of the Command or Control key when hitting OK when closing the page setup dialog box. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
I changed the subject line. That always has seemed to start a new thread. On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Barry Levine wrote: Is there any way to increase the number of items that can be displayed in apple menu submenus? I'm not sure what the limit is, but I see that folders with a large number of items won't display them in a submenu. Please don't Reply to send an unrelated message -- it hijacks the thread. Also, consider posting your questions to the macos9 mailing list instead. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Barry Levine wrote: I changed the subject line. That always has seemed to start a new thread. Changing the subject line does NOT start a new thread. You MUST do a completely separate New Message or else the reply will hijack the previous thread and automatically thread into the prior posting no matter what the subject line says. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On 2012/02/13 08:23, Barry Levine so eloquently wrote: I changed the subject line. That always has seemed to start a new thread. There is a number in the headers that determines what thread a message belongs to, what the subject line contains is irrelevant. Not to pick on you in particular but it's happening more and more with each passing month. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
Hello, Is there any way to increase the number of items that can be displayed in apple menu submenus? I'm not sure what the limit is, but I see that folders with a large number of items won't display them in a submenu. Running OS8.6 on an 8600 G3, 384MB RAM, 300mhz It's my everyday workstation for music writing and practising, and although it's getting fairly useless for browsing, it's ok for everything else. Another thing that's been going on: On some apps, I'll open docs using the Open dialog box. And the mac will chew on this for over a minute before displaying the list of files. When this first happened, I thought I had a freeze. Lastly, I also have a hardware/software question that maybe someone will know. Re the default Page Setup for a laserjet 2100M - it's ALWAYS US Letter Small, and defaults back to that after a session is over. I have not been able to google up a way to make US Letter the default, and stay that way. Thanks Barry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
