Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Jan 4, 2:08 am, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: So are you saying that I can add large drive support to the digital audio without the pci ata card? How? How do I build a Hackintosh? My brother just got me a 1.8GHZ dell dimension for $20 at a second hand shop. -Jonas On 12/27/08, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: Should you consider a faster processor, and you really should, get one which is designed for both 100 and 133 MHz buses. But, for that money, you could build an Intel-based Hackintosh, which could easily out-perform any G4 Mac by 5-to-1. Go to http://www.insanelymac.com/ and start you're research (call it a hobby). Yes, now you can run OS X on intel P4 CPUs with SSE2, and on AMDs using the voodoo kernel. However, getting QE and CI is another story; it depends on your video card and controllers. Also sound and networking usually require tweaking certain kexts or adding ones that Apple doesn't have depending on your board and bridges. You've got to build or find an iso compatible with you're setup if you want to do a retail install on a P4 or choose a ready made distribution (not retail- not vanilla) that will work on your machine. In July I followed Peter and built a shuttle SG31G2 specifically with a retail install of Leopard in mind while buying the CPU, memory, drives and video card. = Strong stable machine now running 10.5.6. After that experience I went down the other road and fooled, fiddled and tweaked a retail install onto a HP P4 1.6ghz with 768 ram. Updated via delta to 10.5.6! It does NOT have QE or CI enabled, but I must say for that old machine it runs pretty damn well. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? The $20 1.8ghz Dell will most likely NOT out-perform a G4, but by carefully building your own machine, which is what Peter suggested a Hackintosh can keep up with a MacPro. jfmac --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Thanks! -Jonas the Second CPU will double the speed of your Mac, but the slower Frontside Bus (100 MHz vs 133MHz) is the slower bottleneck, your data will have to squeeze through. a 533MHZ G4 Single PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus, is great for one/few programs. but a 500MHZ G4 Dual PowerMac with a 100MHZ bus, is decent for many programs, but the faster Frontside Bus will speed up the mac, another help is more RAM, preferable 1GB or more. another help would be a APG video card with 128 / 256 MB VRAM. more VRAM is faster. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
Mullin9 wrote: the Second CPU will double the speed of your Mac, Incorrect. A second CPU does not 'double the speed' of any machine. Per http://www.devx.com/go-parallel/Article/27399: With current dual processor arrangements single threaded apps are expected to see a 10% increase in performance whereas multi threaded apps are expected to perform better by at least 40-80% over a uni-processor configuration for a majority of applications. This assumes that the apps that send a thread over to a CPU are able to access the needed data without wait (think disk I/O). but the slower Frontside Bus (100 MHz vs 133MHz) is the slower bottleneck, your data will have to squeeze through. Yes, the FSB is a bottleneck, but the difference between 133 and 100 is not that great, nor would be the performance increase. Sure, the RAM bus is 33% faster, but the PCI bus isn't any faster. another help would be a APG video card with 128 / 256 MB VRAM. more VRAM is faster. Not always, and generally only when playing 3D games. The card slot is still stuck at the same speed as the original card when upgrading. Any acceleration functions on the video card chipset, or the chipset being faster all together, go more toward speeding up the graphics subsystem than adding more RAM to the video card. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
So are you saying that I can add large drive support to the digital audio without the pci ata card? How? How do I build a Hackintosh? My brother just got me a 1.8GHZ dell dimension for $20 at a second hand shop. -Jonas On 12/27/08, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Dec 27, 2008, at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Hands down, the machine with the faster bus. When Apple redesigned the G4s for the faster bus, they also wanted to increase the number of PCI slots, so one of the RAM slots had to go. The result was the Digital Audio series (which includes the Quicksilver series). The LBA48 property can be added to all of these, anyway, so there is no reason to add a PCI ATA card, hence no need for an additional PCI slot. Should you consider a faster processor, and you really should, get one which is designed for both 100 and 133 MHz buses. But, for that money, you could build an Intel-based Hackintosh, which could easily out-perform any G4 Mac by 5-to-1. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Thanks!-Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Thanks! -Jonas If I assume that the amount of free RAM when either machine is running the server applications you need is about a quarter to a half a gig, and I assume some other factors, then I'd say... If you plan to run many processes on the server the dual cpu G4 is likely your best bet. If you plan to run few processes on the server the single cpu G4 will do fine, - Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Powermac G4 dual 500MHZ v. G4 single 533MHZ
On Dec 27, 2008, at 2:15 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I have a 533MHZ G4 PowerMac with a 133MHZ bus speed and 3 dimm slots. I also have a Dual 500MHZ PowerMac G4 with a 100MHZ bus speed and 4 dimm slots. I want to run one of these with Mac OS 10.4 Server. Which will offer me the most expandability and speed? Hands down, the machine with the faster bus. When Apple redesigned the G4s for the faster bus, they also wanted to increase the number of PCI slots, so one of the RAM slots had to go. The result was the Digital Audio series (which includes the Quicksilver series). The LBA48 property can be added to all of these, anyway, so there is no reason to add a PCI ATA card, hence no need for an additional PCI slot. Should you consider a faster processor, and you really should, get one which is designed for both 100 and 133 MHz buses. But, for that money, you could build an Intel-based Hackintosh, which could easily out-perform any G4 Mac by 5-to-1. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
