Re: Is it memory or software?
1)Download onyx,run the automation process. 2)IF the problem still there try the memory with AHT that came with your computer. 2)If AHT doesn't report any error,test each dimm,in the available slots and then all of them in different slots.You want to pass a rubber in the memory connections. 3)If everything is ok,maybe you have some bad capacitors in your emac or something. Hope it helps On Feb 12, 7:12 am, Opinioneditor opinionedito...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. The crash report says Read Only Memory Exception and Instruction=82b7 I've reinstalled the software, nuked preference files, nuked the font caches, checked disk permissions, ran Apple Hardware Test for 14 hours straight and even replaced the OS (Tiger 10.4.11) as well as zapped the PRAM. I still get the problem. However, I can transfer the software to a thumb drive and run it on another computer with no problem, so it seems to be something with the Mac. Does anyone know if this is a fixable problem, or is my eMac starting to go senile? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
On Feb 12, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Opinioneditor wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. Is it just the Adobe programs you are running that are crashing, or are you getting random-like crashes with other apps? I would guess dusty memory slots, or bad memory stick(s). Have you blown out the dust recently? It can be pretty intense ... so go outside if possible. You can run memtest from Applejack to test memory as well. I use the sandwich technique in my G4s, since I can rotate my 3 or 4 memory sticks and test. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
On Feb 12, 7:12 am, Opinioneditor opinionedito...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. The crash report says Read Only Memory Exception and Instruction=82b7 I've reinstalled the software, nuked preference files, nuked the font caches, checked disk permissions, ran Apple Hardware Test for 14 hours straight and even replaced the OS (Tiger 10.4.11) as well as zapped the PRAM. I still get the problem. However, I can transfer the software to a thumb drive and run it on another computer with no problem, so it seems to be something with the Mac. Does anyone know if this is a fixable problem, or is my eMac starting to go senile? On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:32 AM, skinnie wrote: 1)Download onyx,run the automation process. 2)IF the problem still there try the memory with AHT that came with your computer. 2)If AHT doesn't report any error,test each dimm,in the available slots and then all of them in different slots.You want to pass a rubber in the memory connections. 3)If everything is ok,maybe you have some bad capacitors in your emac or something. I've worked on a couple of eMacs in local schools with similar problems. I've run Apple Hardware Tests, Apple Service Diagnostic tests, reinstalled OS X, cleaned out all the dust bunnies, swapped RAM sticks, run Memtest overnight, run DiskWarrior, yada yada yada. Nothing fixes the problem, but nothing is found to be wrong, except the crash log points to memory problems. Found a handful of bad capacitors on one eMac's logic board (1.25 GHz). It was really acting up, doing all sorts of strange, non-repeated things. Replaced all the caps on the logic board, and the software problem went away. The bad cap problem tends to affect 1.25 GHz eMacs the most, which coincides with bad capacitor problems reported by other electronics manufacturers in the 2004-2005 time frame. You don't say, but my assumption is that you've got a 1.25 GHz eMac. I've not seen bad cap problems with 700 MHz-1 GHz USB 1.1 eMacs, but I have seen the problem in USB 2.0 1 GHz and 1.25 GHz eMacs. I've only dealt with a handful of 1.42 GHz eMacs, and they didn't have any capacitor problems -- at the time. Trouble is, caps can be bad and not show any visible sign of failure, such as leaking, bulging tops, tilted to one side from bottom leaks, etc. Capacitors on eMac logic boards are relatively easy to replace and there are only a dozen or so to replace. Most of the work is in disassembling the beast enough to extract the logic board. So, if all else fails, try the capacitor replacement solution. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
It is only Adobe products that are doing it. Today, I accessed the software from a laptop through Airport, and it ran fine on the laptop. On Feb 12, 8:14 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 12, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Opinioneditor wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. Is it just the Adobe programs you are running that are crashing, or are you getting random-like crashes with other apps? I would guess dusty memory slots, or bad memory stick(s). Have you blown out the dust recently? It can be pretty intense ... so go outside if possible. You can run memtest from Applejack to test memory as well. I use the sandwich technique in my G4s, since I can rotate my 3 or 4 memory sticks and test. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
Ran Onyx, and it had no effect. As I explained in the initial post, I ran AHT for 14 hours straight on extended test. It found nothing. On Feb 12, 5:32 am, skinnie andre.fa...@ua.pt wrote: 1)Download onyx,run the automation process. 2)IF the problem still there try the memory with AHT that came with your computer. 2)If AHT doesn't report any error,test each dimm,in the available slots and then all of them in different slots.You want to pass a rubber in the memory connections. 3)If everything is ok,maybe you have some bad capacitors in your emac or something. Hope it helps On Feb 12, 7:12 am, Opinioneditor opinionedito...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. The crash report says Read Only Memory Exception and Instruction=82b7 I've reinstalled the software, nuked preference files, nuked the font caches, checked disk permissions, ran Apple Hardware Test for 14 hours straight and even replaced the OS (Tiger 10.4.11) as well as zapped the PRAM. I still get the problem. However, I can transfer the software to a thumb drive and run it on another computer with no problem, so it seems to be something with the Mac. Does anyone know if this is a fixable problem, or is my eMac starting to go senile? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
On Feb 12, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Opinioneditor wrote: Are the capacitors easy to get to, and can they be changed DIY? This isn't a capacitor issue because it only affects your Adobe software. When you Google search Read Only Memory Exception which is the error you cited, the ONLY results you'll see is other people with Adobe software problems. Unless you start seeing ALL programs having similar problems, it's NOT a hardware issue, it's an Adobe software issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
On Feb 12, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Opinioneditor wrote: It is only Adobe products that are doing it. Today, I accessed the software from a laptop through Airport, and it ran fine on the laptop. I don't think you're getting this. Your test doesn't help, and doesn't address the problem. Adobe installs items into your System software. When you run this software on another System, it's NOT THE SAME as running it on your eMac's system. There could be old incompatible files, or corrupted files that aren't present on this other Mac, it's not the same. One solution is to search out ALL Adobe files on you Mac and delete them, and then reinstall the Adobe software fresh. Ran Onyx, and it had no effect. As I explained in the initial post, I ran AHT for 14 hours straight on extended test. It found nothing. Yes, it's NOT a hardware issue. It's an Adobe software issue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is it memory or software?
It is a 1.25ghz eMac, and I recently upgraded the memory to a full gig. Are the capacitors easy to get to, and can they be changed DIY? On Feb 12, 10:19 am, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 7:12 am, Opinioneditor opinionedito...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a few Adobe programs start crashing on my eMac after a couple years of normal use. The crash report says Read Only Memory Exception and Instruction=82b7 I've reinstalled the software, nuked preference files, nuked the font caches, checked disk permissions, ran Apple Hardware Test for 14 hours straight and even replaced the OS (Tiger 10.4.11) as well as zapped the PRAM. I still get the problem. However, I can transfer the software to a thumb drive and run it on another computer with no problem, so it seems to be something with the Mac. Does anyone know if this is a fixable problem, or is my eMac starting to go senile? On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:32 AM, skinnie wrote: 1)Download onyx,run the automation process. 2)IF the problem still there try the memory with AHT that came with your computer. 2)If AHT doesn't report any error,test each dimm,in the available slots and then all of them in different slots.You want to pass a rubber in the memory connections. 3)If everything is ok,maybe you have some bad capacitors in your emac or something. I've worked on a couple of eMacs in local schools with similar problems. I've run Apple Hardware Tests, Apple Service Diagnostic tests, reinstalled OS X, cleaned out all the dust bunnies, swapped RAM sticks, run Memtest overnight, run DiskWarrior, yada yada yada. Nothing fixes the problem, but nothing is found to be wrong, except the crash log points to memory problems. Found a handful of bad capacitors on one eMac's logic board (1.25 GHz). It was really acting up, doing all sorts of strange, non-repeated things. Replaced all the caps on the logic board, and the software problem went away. The bad cap problem tends to affect 1.25 GHz eMacs the most, which coincides with bad capacitor problems reported by other electronics manufacturers in the 2004-2005 time frame. You don't say, but my assumption is that you've got a 1.25 GHz eMac. I've not seen bad cap problems with 700 MHz-1 GHz USB 1.1 eMacs, but I have seen the problem in USB 2.0 1 GHz and 1.25 GHz eMacs. I've only dealt with a handful of 1.42 GHz eMacs, and they didn't have any capacitor problems -- at the time. Trouble is, caps can be bad and not show any visible sign of failure, such as leaking, bulging tops, tilted to one side from bottom leaks, etc. Capacitors on eMac logic boards are relatively easy to replace and there are only a dozen or so to replace. Most of the work is in disassembling the beast enough to extract the logic board. So, if all else fails, try the capacitor replacement solution. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
