Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[JoeTaxpayer]

Is the QS 933 a dual? Mind my asking how much it went for?
I've seen the MDD G4 (w/2GB RAM) shipped for under $150 now. Curious
about the tradeoff between price and need for upgrades.
Some G5s are sporting enough memory that the price of the memory alone
is worth more than the whole G5. Just my observation.

On Nov 20, 7:26 am, PeteMo  wrote:
> Ditto the sentiment that the QS range only went up to a Dual Proc
> 1.0GHz G4. Having said that I'm getting a QS 933 MHz and an AGP 500
> MHz via eBay in a few days and intend to upgrade as much as I can.

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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[PeteMo]

Ditto the sentiment that the QS range only went up to a Dual Proc
1.0GHz G4. Having said that I'm getting a QS 933 MHz and an AGP 500
MHz via eBay in a few days and intend to upgrade as much as I can.

As per other commenters, the very first thing you should consider is
maxing out the RAM. PC133 SDRAM sticks can be obtained from OWC and
others at a very reasonable price. I can verify this from experience
with the macs I've owned that this makes a difference.

A processor upgrade makes a noticeable difference in performance and
speed, as I upgraded my DA 533 to single G4 1.4GHz with great results.
BUT, and it can be a big but, you have too weigh up the merits of
buying a processor upgrade that will most likely cost more than the G4
itself. I note that OWC currently do PowerLogix Single and Dual 1.6GHz
Processor Daughterboard upgrade.

The PCI SATA card is a good way to go as it bypasses that ATA66 and
128GB hard drive limitations, but again they can be expensive.

Although upgrading the RAM, Processor and installing a SATA card and
SATA hard drive can be expensive, it will be a fraction the cost of a
new or recent mac. imho the G4 is worth every upgrade option, but your
macage may vary.

How much do you use and love using your G4 PowerMac will determine
what you do next.

All the best with your upgrading.

Happy Macing
Pete



On Nov 18, 4:07 am, "Gene Henley"  wrote:
> Thanks.
>    I`m on it.
>                          Gene
>   From: Jonas Ulrich
>   To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
>
>   If you end up putting in a SATA card, you won't have to worry about the 
> 128GB limit, at least with the drives connected to that card.
>
>   Max the ram out to 1.5GB.
>   Put in a SATA card.
>   If you have the stock video card, it's most likely good enough for anything 
> but gaming.
>   As far as an optical drive upgrade, you can put pretty much anything in 
> there that is IDE.
>
>   As far as a processor upgrade goes, if possible, put a Dual 1GHZ processor 
> in. Only if you can find a reasonable price though, otherwise it may not be 
> worth it. Anything that Sonnet sells, like the 1.8GHZ Dual, would be best, 
> but usually the price for that processor alone is higher than the price of a 
> high end G5 PowerMac.
>
>   -Jonas
>
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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Jesse]

If you wanted an adc-dvi radeon, I have one. Those quicksilvers have agp  
correct? I wouldn't need cash either. Trades for gear...

Sent from my iPhone 4





On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:17 AM, "Gene Henley"  wrote:

> Thanks for input.
> My video card is a Rage  128 Pro. I also have a
> 900-04023-4313-60E which has a 28v notation.
> I intend to put a four port 2.0 USB card in.
> Gene
> Original Message - From: "Valter Prahlad" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver
> 
> 
>>> I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory.
>> I had a very similar G4 (G4 DA 667).
>> 
>> IMHO, 1GB Ram is enough for common use, but it's not if you're using
>> "heavyweight" apps (Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, and the like), or you like
>> keeping lots of apps open.
>> Upgrading to 1,5GB (Quicksilver's max) can somehow improve speed, I think.
>> 
>> I think a CPU upgrade is the most speed-effective upgrade you can do.
>> Second one would be a better graphic card, especially if you're into
>> videogames (I am :-).
>> Which graphic card you actually have?
>> 
>> Perhaps a modern and big IDE drive would give you the same speed
>> improvement, and in a simpler way.
>> (a SATA drive would make transition to a future G5 - or better - simpler,
>> thou)
>> 
>> BTW, there's a simple hack to make drives bigger than 128GB totally usable
>> in old G4s (in OSX, at least).
>> 
> 
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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Tim Martin]

Correction to my last post the Radeon was 9600 not 9800

For comparison’s sake: and a note on how much faster 10.4 is compared to
10.5 on these machines:

™QuicksilverG4" PowerMac G4
(QuickSilver)my
best Xbench Score 70.68 for 10.4
and
™QuickSilverDuetCaviar2" PowerMac G4
(QuickSilver)my best
XBench Score for 10.5

I've found xBench to be great for testing out upgrade variations and
comparing with the results of other peoples mods.

Tim Martin
   Design & Research, London
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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Tim Martin]

I have two QS G4 machines formerly 733 and 800MHz they are both maxed out
at 1.5Gb Ram. The 733 got the 800Mz CPU and runs 10.4 happily and uses a
500Gb IDE HD using the HiCap driver. I made the mistake of buying a four
port Sata card that doesn't allow booting from a uk Sonnet dealer (who
wouldn't exchange) This is my five year old's machine. (Before you ask
KidPix, You Tube, Spotify, Lego 3D Constructor, SketchUp, Sesame Street, Dr
Seuss etc). On the Machine (formerly known as 800 MHz) I had more luck and
fitted the Sonnet 2 port sata card that boots nicely and now has a 1Tb
Hitachi deskstar and a 2Tb WD Caviar Green attached. I also installed the
Sonnet Duet 1.8 Ghz which has been running flawlessly ever since - fast but
expensive - I think this machine is one of fastest that you could run
System 9 native on - only a similarly upgraded MDD (9 bootable version)
would beat it.  These superfast Sonnet Duet's for AGP/QS and the ones for
the MDD are discontinued and seem to be rare as hens teeth now. In the QS
DUET I also put the unique FW800 USB2 PCI Combo card from NitroAV. I know -
these upgrades didn't make sense economically but I was having fun as both
machines were gutted free throw-outs. Oh yes and I put in a Radeon Mac Pro
9800 video card with dual DMI ports for Cinema HD monitors I know some say
they need modding to work in the QS PCI slot but mine worked just fine out
of the box! This is still my main machine. Intel only compatibilty may make
me get a Mac Mini at some point but otherwise I'm still happy - I had a
period when I started getting a lot of kernel crashes unexpectedly - my
original apple CPU fan had seized so replaced that and added a PCI slot fan
extractor alongside the video card and things are cool again now.

Have fun.

Tim Martin
   Design & Research, London
e timjomar...@gmail.com


On 16 November 2011 16:09, Gene Henley  wrote:

>
> I am trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 733Mhz.
> I`m open for most suggestions EXCEPT "Get
> rid of it and buy a G5." PLEASE!
> I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory. I was given
> a 1 gig QuicksilverCPU,unknown reliability.
> I have a SATA internal drive which I have
> been advised will give me a faster computer if
> an internal SATA card and driveare installed
> What are opinions about the Highpoint Rocket   SATA PCI-Express 2.0X1
> controller?
> An ebay seller advertizes a 1.25 Gig "Quicksilver"  CPU without heat sink.
> I`m confused. I did not know  Quicksilver was 1.25 gig cpu spec.
>  capable. Maybe that CPU is actually MDD?
> I`m listening.
>  Thanks Cheers
>Gene
>
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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Jonas Ulrich]

If you end up putting in a SATA card, you won't have to worry about the
128GB limit, at least with the drives connected to that card.

Max the ram out to 1.5GB.
Put in a SATA card.
If you have the stock video card, it's most likely good enough for anything
but gaming.
As far as an optical drive upgrade, you can put pretty much anything in
there that is IDE.

As far as a processor upgrade goes, if possible, put a Dual 1GHZ processor
in. Only if you can find a reasonable price though, otherwise it may not be
worth it. Anything that Sonnet sells, like the 1.8GHZ Dual, would be best,
but usually the price for that processor alone is higher than the price of
a high end G5 PowerMac.

-Jonas

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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Gene Henley]

Thanks for input.
My video card is a Rage  128 Pro. I also have a
900-04023-4313-60E which has a 28v notation.
 I intend to put a four port 2.0 USB card in.
 Gene
Original Message - 
From: "Valter Prahlad" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver



I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory.

I had a very similar G4 (G4 DA 667).

IMHO, 1GB Ram is enough for common use, but it's not if you're using
"heavyweight" apps (Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, and the like), or you 
like

keeping lots of apps open.
Upgrading to 1,5GB (Quicksilver's max) can somehow improve speed, I think.

I think a CPU upgrade is the most speed-effective upgrade you can do.
Second one would be a better graphic card, especially if you're into
videogames (I am :-).
Which graphic card you actually have?

Perhaps a modern and big IDE drive would give you the same speed
improvement, and in a simpler way.
(a SATA drive would make transition to a future G5 - or better - simpler,
thou)

BTW, there's a simple hack to make drives bigger than 128GB totally usable
in old G4s (in OSX, at least).




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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Wayne Stewart]

Yes, that's a MDD CPU

On Nov 16, 12:30 pm, JoeTaxpayer  wrote:
> The eBay Listing I see says QS as you noted, but P/N 820-1452-A which
> looks like an MDD board.
> I added a SATA card to my MDD and am happy I did it. Extra RAM can't
> hurt.

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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[JoeTaxpayer]

The eBay Listing I see says QS as you noted, but P/N 820-1452-A which
looks like an MDD board.
I added a SATA card to my MDD and am happy I did it. Extra RAM can't
hurt.

On Nov 16, 11:09 am, "Gene Henley"  wrote:
> I am trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 733Mhz.
>  I`m open for most suggestions EXCEPT "Get
>  rid of it and buy a G5." PLEASE!
>  I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory. I was given
>  a 1 gig QuicksilverCPU,unknown reliability.
>  I have a SATA internal drive which I have
>  been advised will give me a faster computer if
>  an internal SATA card and driveare installed
>  What are opinions about the Highpoint Rocket
>    SATA PCI-Express 2.0X1 controller?
>  An ebay seller advertizes a 1.25 Gig "Quicksilver"
>   CPU without heat sink. I`m confused. I did not know
>   Quicksilver was 1.25 gig cpu spec.
>   capable. Maybe that CPU is actually MDD?
> I`m listening.
>                                    Thanks
> Cheers
>
> Gene

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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 16-11-2011 17:09, Gene Henley ha scritto:

> I am trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 733Mhz.
> I have Tiger,and 1 gig of memory.
I had a very similar G4 (G4 DA 667).

IMHO, 1GB Ram is enough for common use, but it's not if you're using
"heavyweight" apps (Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, and the like), or you like
keeping lots of apps open.
Upgrading to 1,5GB (Quicksilver's max) can somehow improve speed, I think.

> I was given a 1 gig QuicksilverCPU,unknown reliability.
I installed an OWC 1,4GHz CPU upgrade, and it was really worth it, most
tasks improved a lot.
At around 200$ new (I think), it wouldn't be very much dollar-wise, but I
presume you can find a used one.

I think a CPU upgrade is the most speed-effective upgrade you can do.
Second one would be a better graphic card, especially if you're into
videogames (I am :-).
Which graphic card you actually have?

> I have a SATA internal drive which I have
> been advised will give me a faster computer if
> an internal SATA card and driveare installed
IMHO, you won't see much of an improvement, because of the inner limitation
of the PCI bus. 
Perhaps a modern and big IDE drive would give you the same speed
improvement, and in a simpler way.
(a SATA drive would make transition to a future G5 - or better - simpler,
thou)

BTW, there's a simple hack to make drives bigger than 128GB totally usable
in old G4s (in OSX, at least).

> An ebay seller advertizes a 1.25 Gig "Quicksilver"
> CPU without heat sink. I`m confused. I did not know
> Quicksilver was 1.25 gig cpu spec. capable.
AFAIK, QS went up to 1.0 GHz and no more.


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Re: Upgrade my Quicksilver

[Jeffrey Engle]

This card will not work in your machine as it is PCI-e. You need a card that is 
PCI.
On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Gene Henley wrote:

> Highpoint Rocket   SATA PCI-Express 2.0X1 controller

Jeffrey Engle
Kamiah, Idaho 83536
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