Re: Slow Motion G4 After HDD Switch
How much space is left on your boot volume? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slow Motion G4 After HDD Switch
- Original Message - From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Since the problem happens when booted in both OS 9 OS X, it's unlikely to be a software issue. You need to be thinking about hardware problems. Zapping the PRAM isn't always enough, you may need to reset the NVRAM by booting Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn One thing that dramatically effects speed is the L2 cache. If the L2 cache isn't functional, the speed will be REALLY slow. The Sawtooth has a 1MB L2 integrated into the G4 module. If the L2 goes bad, you would normally see a warning when booting OS 9, and in OS X System Profiler I believe a bad L2 is shown as no L2 or 0MB? I reset the NVRAM and found the L2 cache in OS X to be 1 MB. I also ran Verify Disk in Disk Utility on the HDD and after 5 minutes it said all three volumes passed. But it is still incredible slow in OS 9 -- seconds to drag a folder to the Trash. I was wrong about the speed in OS X. Given the Sawtooth only has a 450 MHz processor I think its speed is normal. I ran the legacy software like PageMaker in Classic mode and all seemed normal. Perhaps a bit slower than native OS 9 before the HDD switch but no real hesitation in opening files or window, no ghost images when dragging windows around, and no hesitation dragging files and folders into Trash. The problem seems to be with native OS 9. Could it be some kind of OS 9 directory corruption? I have a pre OS X version of Disk Warrior but don't think it would be good to run it under OS 9 on a volume with OS X installed? I could try a clean install of OS 9 (ugh) or just run in Classic under OS X and re-managed the thousands of fonts-- not so bad and still fast enough for this legacy machine. Anyway, thanks Kris, I appreciate your time. AND From: Wayne Stewart waynejstew...@gmail.com How much space is left on your boot volume? WDC HDD 74.3 GB (1024) total space Boot Volume: 37.1 GB total -- 25.97 GB available Data Volume: 27.25 GB total -- 17.88 GB available Scrath Volume: 9.8 GB total -- 9.78 GB available Best regards --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Slow Motion G4 After HDD Switch
Spec's: G4 Sawtooth 450 MHz, 1 GB RAM, OS 9.2.2. and OS 10.4.11 on same boot volume. WDC 80 GB Master (boot), Seagate 80 GB slave (for back ups), ATTO UL2D SCSI card with a pair of 18 GB HDD drives for the old backups, and stock ATI Pro Video card. This is a legacy machine running legacy graphic arts software (PageMaker 6.5, Extensis Suitcase, old PS, Illy, Acrobat, etc) in Mac OS 9.2.2 for old files that my clients routinely change and update for printing. It was easier just to print from the old stuff than redo or convert. Before the HDD switch it was running mostly OS 9 and was very quick and snappy. When copying the data from the old drive I cloned the boot volume to an external Firewire drive volume and restored this clone to the WDC 80 GB. I cloned the data volume to another FW external volume and then cloned that to the Seagate 80 GB drive. I have checked the proper Master/Slave jumpers on the new HDD's The problem: When I do the simplest tasks in OS 9 --like close a window or drag a file to the trash the screen pauses for 5, 10, 15 seconds as it redraws itself. Desktop icons (only a few) unmount an remount and all work comes to a halt until the process is completed. What I have done in OS 9 is: 1) Zapped the PRAM 2) Rebuilt the desk top of the boot volume and the data volume, both on the WDE 80 GB drive. 3) Disconnected the SCSI drives from the ATTO card 4) Disconnected the slave 80 GB Seagate backup drive. 5) Left the computer on overnight in case it was some kind of indexing problem 6) Tried running Classic OS 10.4.11. I get a Server Not Found Message And I will also need to resolve a lot of font problems in. 6a) I deleted all recent server aliases in the Apple menu and unchecked auto update time in all Preferences. Cause of the problem? It doesn't matter to me if I run OS 9 or Classic in OS 10. I just need to get the old speed back. TIA --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slow Motion G4 After HDD Switch
On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:54 PM, glen wrote: Cause of the problem? Since the problem happens when booted in both OS 9 OS X, it's unlikely to be a software issue. You need to be thinking about hardware problems. Zapping the PRAM isn't always enough, you may need to reset the NVRAM by booting Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. Reply should be ok to the 1st command, and a restart to the 2nd command. One thing that dramatically effects speed is the L2 cache. If the L2 cache isn't functional, the speed will be REALLY slow. The Sawtooth has a 1MB L2 integrated into the G4 module. If the L2 goes bad, you would normally see a warning when booting OS 9, and in OS X System Profiler I believe a bad L2 is shown as no L2 or 0MB? Bad RAM, or a bad HD, are other possibilities, but whatever it is, since it's happening while booted in both OS 9 and OS X, it's highly likely it's a hardware issue assuming that you've zapped the PRAM and reset the NVRAM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
