Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Many thanks Bruce Are you certain this HD is formatted correctly for a PPC Mac? The partition scheme MUST be Apple Partition Scheme and NOT GUID Partition Scheme used on Intel Macs, OR Master Boot Record Partition Scheme used on PCs. You can check the partition scheme in System ProfilerInfo. The drive boots the Mac when in an external enclosure, so that's not the issue. My next step would be to stick another known-functioning drive in the TiBook then booting off the external (you can get a Firewire enclosure and boot from that to speed up booting) to see if the internal drive does in fact show up. No Firewire enclosure to hand so going the molasses route... SSD in TiBook, boot from HD in external USB enclosure. HD shows up in Disk Utility, SSD doesn't. Same result with SSD in external enclosure, HD in TiBook (i.e. boots from external device, internal device doesn't show up in Disk Utility) My guess is that there's either a subtle break in the cable or the IDE controller is foo in the TiBook. Before I did the above, I wanted to check if there was a clash between the IDE optical drive and the IDE disk drive, so I disconnected the optical drive from the mobo and put the SSD in the TiBook. No joy, same symptoms. The TiBook had booted from a Leopard installer DVD so I would have guessed the IDE controller is OK. (Or are there two IDE controllers in a TiBook?) After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. You know, rereading your inital post leads me to think that it could well be a foo controller on the motherboard; how did the SSD get corrupted? Don't know - I noticed that the nightly CCC backup from the 10·5·8 partition on the SSD (to an equivalent partition on the HD) was failing. (Other CCC backups of 10·4·11 and 9·2·2 worked OK.) CCC suggested trying DiskUtility to repair the disk but it couldn't - invalid tree length IIRC. Only solution was to nuke and pave the SSD. Then, to avoid a stupidly long reinstall, I CCCed the partitions back from the HD to the to the SSD. Then, IIRC, the failure to notice the internal IDE devices started. (Uni work started getting heavy so I didn't get a chance to investigate until recently.) So I guess I need to hunt for a replacement HD connector ... or is there a way I can test the current one in any of my existing kit? Many thanks (Edinburgh) Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
On Feb 14, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: My guess is that there's either a subtle break in the cable or the IDE controller is foo in the TiBook. Before I did the above, I wanted to check if there was a clash between the IDE optical drive and the IDE disk drive, so I disconnected the optical drive from the mobo and put the SSD in the TiBook. No joy, same symptoms. The TiBook had booted from a Leopard installer DVD so I would have guessed the IDE controller is OK. (Or are there two IDE controllers in a TiBook?) I believe that the same IDE controller runs both. This points to the connection between the drive and the logic board, which means either the cable or the cable socket on the mobo. I'd pull the cable out and examine it closely under decent magnification in bright light; you're looking for cracked or torn conductors, then I'd examine the Tibook, again, under bright lighting and high magnification. Maybe there's something non-conductive jammed in the socket or a pin is broken Something like these are big help: http://www.harborfreight.com/magnifier-head-strap-with-lights-38896.html Yes, you feel like Rick Moranis in Honey I shrank the Kids but they're quite effective. Also very good for doing tick patrol on a dog. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Thanks to Dan and Kris for responses so far So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? IDE drive, yes? Still set to cable select or whatever it was originally? Put IDE SSD back into TiBook - it's on cable-select (unjumpered), as was the HD... Check the data connection. Appears intact and firmly in its socket on mobo Check the power connection. No separate power connection - this is 2·5 IDE oOo uk. Now that could give molasses a bad name! you betcha! You should zap the PRAM and reset the NVRAM whenever you're changing out hardware such as a HD. You should also boot OS X with a Safe Boot to rebuild the system caches. Hold Cmd-Opt-P-R keys for several chimes to zap the PRAM, then after one chime slide the fingers on P R over to O F so you're holding Cmd-Opt-O-F. At the Open Firmware prompt type these commands: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. The response should be ok to the 1st command, and a restart to the 2nd command. This went as you described - but still flashing 'where's the system' folder icon after attempt to reboot. Still no sound of spinning up (but that's not likely with an SSD) Tried again with HD in place: same result, definitely no HD sound. (I've checked - the HD does make a noise when plugged into a USB port on another computer.) Upon restart, use the Option key if you wish to select the startup partition. In each OS X System boot once holding the Shift key to rebuild the system startup caches. Is it worth doing this when booting the TiBook from the SSD and/or HD when they are in external enclosures, then putting them back into the TiBook? Further suggestions also very welcome! Thanks indeed Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
On Feb 13, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: This went as you described - but still flashing 'where's the system' folder icon after attempt to reboot. Are you certain this HD is formatted correctly for a PPC Mac? The partition scheme MUST be Apple Partition Scheme and NOT GUID Partition Scheme used on Intel Macs, OR Master Boot Record Partition Scheme used on PCs. You can check the partition scheme in System ProfilerInfo. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 13, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: This went as you described - but still flashing 'where's the system' folder icon after attempt to reboot. Are you certain this HD is formatted correctly for a PPC Mac? The partition scheme MUST be Apple Partition Scheme and NOT GUID Partition Scheme used on Intel Macs, OR Master Boot Record Partition Scheme used on PCs. You can check the partition scheme in System ProfilerInfo. The drive boots the Mac when in an external enclosure, so that's not the issue. My next step would be to stick another known-functioning drive in the TiBook then booting off the external (you can get a Firewire enclosure and boot from that to speed up booting) to see if the internal drive does in fact show up. My guess is that there's either a subtle break in the cable or the IDE controller is foo in the TiBook. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
On Feb 12, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. You know, rereading your inital post leads me to think that it could well be a foo controller on the motherboard; how did the SSD get corrupted? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Hi folks I have 1GHz TiBook. After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next However, with the very same HD in an external USB enclosure plugged into one of the TiBook's USB ports, I can use alt/option to choose to boot into 10·5·8, 10·4·11 or 9·2·2. So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? In the meantime, I'm happy to boot the TiBook from an external source but not one so slow as USB1. How could I add the HD or copy its partitions to my network so that the TiBook can boot from the network? Available kit includes a 400MHz Pismo running 10·4·11, an XServe G5 running 10·5·8 client*, a hackintoshed Dell mini 10v running 10·6·7, a 2009 macpro running 10·6·8, a 1st generation 500Gb timecapsule (I mention this because it has a USB port). I don't have any machines with MacOS server, but I could put 10·3 server on the Xserve. However I don't want to run this constantly - it's bolted to the side of my desk and is noisy. From what I've read, netbooting requires an ethernet connection between the boot server and client but if I'm at my desk (which is where the spare ethernet connections are) I can do OSX stuff on the MacPro and Dell and can do OS9 stuff on the Pismo without being deafened by the XServe! All advice very welcome! Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
At 10:53 PM + 2/12/2012, Bruce Ryan wrote: So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? IDE drive, yes? Still set to cable select or whatever it was originally? Check the data connection. Check the power connection. Zap the pram... In the meantime, I'm happy to boot the TiBook from an external source but not one so slow as USB1. oOo uk. Now that could give molasses a bad name! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
Sorry, second paragraph should have been With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next to the HD. BTW, with SSD repartitioned and 10·5·8 and 10·4·11 partitions CCCed back to it, I can also boot from these. Bruce On 12 Feb 2012, at 22:53, Bruce Ryan wrote: Hi folks I have 1GHz TiBook. After a few shenanigans (the SSD with which I replaced the HD became corrupted), I tried to revert to using the original HD (A 60GB fujitsu with partitions for MacOSes 10·5·8, 10·4·11 and 9·2·2. With the HD inside the TiBook, it won't boot - it's as if there is no disk in the machine. (This is confirmed when I restart holding down alt/option to generate a list of boot disks - this list is empty. I can't hear the disk spinning up, even with the bottom case off and my ear next However, with the very same HD in an external USB enclosure plugged into one of the TiBook's USB ports, I can use alt/option to choose to boot into 10·5·8, 10·4·11 or 9·2·2. So what can I have done to the TiBook? The obvious candidate is the connection from HD to motherboard but it seems intact and to be firmly plugged into the mobo. Is there another bit I could have wrecked? In the meantime, I'm happy to boot the TiBook from an external source but not one so slow as USB1. How could I add the HD or copy its partitions to my network so that the TiBook can boot from the network? Available kit includes a 400MHz Pismo running 10·4·11, an XServe G5 running 10·5·8 client*, a hackintoshed Dell mini 10v running 10·6·7, a 2009 macpro running 10·6·8, a 1st generation 500Gb timecapsule (I mention this because it has a USB port). I don't have any machines with MacOS server, but I could put 10·3 server on the Xserve. However I don't want to run this constantly - it's bolted to the side of my desk and is noisy. From what I've read, netbooting requires an ethernet connection between the boot server and client but if I'm at my desk (which is where the spare ethernet connections are) I can do OSX stuff on the MacPro and Dell and can do OS9 stuff on the Pismo without being deafened by the XServe! All advice very welcome! Many thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ti-book won't boot from internal HD but will boot from external HD
You should zap the PRAM and reset the NVRAM whenever you're changing out hardware such as a HD. You should also boot OS X with a Safe Boot to rebuild the system caches. Hold Cmd-Opt-P-R keys for several chimes to zap the PRAM, then after one chime slide the fingers on P R over to O F so you're holding Cmd-Opt-O-F. At the Open Firmware prompt type these commands: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. The response should be ok to the 1st command, and a restart to the 2nd command. Upon restart, use the Option key if you wish to select the startup partition. In each OS X System boot once holding the Shift key to rebuild the system startup caches. Hopefully all is well. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
